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Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:57 pm

Shows the current state of English football, particularly at centre back, when they have to call up the mainstay of a defence which has conceded 48 goals so far this season, which is close to an average of 2 goals per game.
............and this is a team that thinks it has a chance of winning the World Cup!
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Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:02 pm

It's a 30 man squad, There's bound to be one or two squad members not really good enough

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:05 pm

Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:07 pm

ffs wrote:It's a 30 man squad, There's bound to be one or two squad members not really good enough


Most of the top teams have a far smaller population than England. Are you suggesting that out of a population of approx 53 million people they can't find 30 top class players? The lack of investment in the development of grass roots football is the problem

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:09 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:11 pm

PremierJacks wrote:
ffs wrote:It's a 30 man squad, There's bound to be one or two squad members not really good enough


Most of the top teams have a far smaller population than England. Are you suggesting that out of a population of approx 53 million people they can't find 30 top class players? The lack of investment in the development of grass roots football is the problem


I think British football is now seeing the effect of over a decade of foreign dominance in our national leagues. It seems every home nation is currently experiencing somewhat of a lull.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:12 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:20 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,


Won't ever happen. Roy has his favourites and that's that. How else can you explain the continued selection of Tom Cleverly?

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:20 pm

Dyer is in the same boat as Noone although in all fairness has demonstrated it at a higher level for longer, both are better than Saha but play for unglamourous teams so well out it.

Britton is exactly what England need but would be such a left field selection for someone as conventional as Woy, I thought you were going to say Shelvey :lol: :lol:

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:25 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Dyer is in the same boat as Noone although in all fairness has demonstrated it at a higher level for longer, both are better than Saha but play for unglamourous teams so well out it.

Britton is exactly what England need but would be such a left field selection for someone as conventional as Woy, I thought you were going to say Shelvey :lol: :lol:


Dyer is another level to Noone without being disrespectful. Dyer had been consistantly tearing teams apart for 3 seasons now and gets around 5 goals every Prem season. He was key part of us winning the Capital One Cup and olayed a key role in our European campaign. I cant help but feel any other club and he would be a multi cap winning winger.

As you say Britton is exactly what England have been crying out for for years as he can keep the ball, but Woy will never pick him.

Shelvey is certainly one for the future but I wouldnt be picking him at the moment for England.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:27 pm

PremierJacks wrote:

Won't ever happen. Roy has his favourites and that's that. How else can you explain the continued selection of Tom Cleverly?


Raheem stirling got the nod ahead of Nathan last year after 3 games for Liverpool (yes three). I was in awe.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:28 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:Dyer is in the same boat as Noone although in all fairness has demonstrated it at a higher level for longer, both are better than Saha but play for unglamourous teams so well out it.

Britton is exactly what England need but would be such a left field selection for someone as conventional as Woy, I thought you were going to say Shelvey :lol: :lol:


Dyer is another level to Noone without being disrespectful. Dyer had been consistantly tearing teams apart for 3 seasons now and gets around 5 goals every Prem season. He was key part of us winning the Capital One Cup and olayed a key role in our European campaign. I cant help but feel any other club and he would be a multi cap winning winger.

As you say Britton is exactly what England have been crying out for for years as he can keep the ball, but Woy will never pick him.

Shelvey is certainly one for the future but I wouldnt be picking him at the moment for England.


Britton's too old, by the time they managed to get the team to work round his style he would be ready to retire.

Wing is probably England's strongest position, or at least has the most depth.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:30 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,

The words dyer and criminal always make me chuckle! Dyer is a vile individual who does not deserve to represent his country. Britton is suited to 4 5 1. Woy hodgson prefers 4 4 2 for some reason.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:30 pm

Fair point on brittons age.

As for the wingers I agree, but I dont think I would swap dyer in my Swans team for any winger they have just called up.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:33 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:Fair point on brittons age.

As for the wingers I agree, but I dont think I would swap dyer in my Swans team for any winger they have just called up.


I think Sterling on current form would be a shout for any team in the league, although I would suggest having players the quality of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho creating space for him probably makes him look better.

Speaking of which it's always a bit strange with players like Dyer. He's doing well in a midtable/arguably top half Swansea side but would he improve in a better team where the other players created more space and provided better service/movement for himself to work with?

Or maybe he might be suited to his current level of space where he can do more with it, he may not cope with more space as well.

Always very difficult to tell with attacking players.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:33 pm

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
The words dyer and criminal always make me chuckle! Dyer is a vile individual who does not deserve to represent his country. Britton is suited to 4 5 1. Woy hodgson prefers 4 4 2 for some reason.


Is this based on the one incident or him as a person?

Nathan is a lovely boy, very well spoken and an absolute gentleman. Im sure he is as disappointed at his moment of madness in his youth than anyone. Although talking sense about a Swansea player is futile on here. :D

He is clearly one of Englands best wingers.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:33 pm

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,

The words dyer and criminal always make me chuckle! Dyer is a vile individual who does not deserve to represent his country. Britton is suited to 4 5 1. Woy hodgson prefers 4 4 2 for some reason.


You seem to have a definite downer on Dyer. "Vile individual" based on what? Because of a single stupid error seven or eight years ago?

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:34 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,



Never understand why England don't take about 8 up and coming players and as an example from both clubs dyer and Mutch to one of the big tournaments so that they get the experience of the set up and hodgson gets a closer look at their abilities.
After all the World Cup will see the end of a few of England's senior players so now would be the ideal time.
Personally I would take dyer over Zaha and noone as Zaha is not ready and Craig blows up after 60 minutes whereas dyer has more experience at the higher level.
In realty we know who will get picked though.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:36 pm

steve davies wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,



Never understand why England don't take about 8 up and coming players and as an example from both clubs dyer and Mutch to one of the big tournaments so that they get the experience of the set up and hodgson gets a closer look at their abilities.
After all the World Cup will see the end of a few of England's senior players so now would be the ideal time.
Personally I would take dyer over Zaha and noone as Zaha is not ready and Craig blows up after 60 minutes whereas dyer has more experience at the higher level.
In realty we know who will get picked though.


Agreed. i would certainly be considering Mutch too.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:36 pm

steve davies wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,



Never understand why England don't take about 8 up and coming players and as an example from both clubs dyer and Mutch to one of the big tournaments so that they get the experience of the set up and hodgson gets a closer look at their abilities.
After all the World Cup will see the end of a few of England's senior players so now would be the ideal time.
Personally I would take dyer over Zaha and noone as Zaha is not ready and Craig blows up after 60 minutes whereas dyer has more experience at the higher level.
In realty we know who will get picked though.


Tom Cleverly's constant calls for England are shocking. I'm not 100% convinced he would improve our side so god knows how he gets into a so called World Class side.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:39 pm

PremierJacks wrote:
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,

The words dyer and criminal always make me chuckle! Dyer is a vile individual who does not deserve to represent his country. Britton is suited to 4 5 1. Woy hodgson prefers 4 4 2 for some reason.


You seem to have a definite downer on Dyer. "Vile individual" based on what? Because of a single stupid error seven or eight years ago?

Stupid error? Stealing from someone whilst earning 5k a week. My sister in law went to school with him in west wilts. He was a thug and bully. Her words not mine.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:41 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
The words dyer and criminal always make me chuckle! Dyer is a vile individual who does not deserve to represent his country. Britton is suited to 4 5 1. Woy hodgson prefers 4 4 2 for some reason.


Is this based on the one incident or him as a person?

Nathan is a lovely boy, very well spoken and an absolute gentleman. Im sure he is as disappointed at his moment of madness in his youth than anyone. Although talking sense about a Swansea player is futile on here. :D

He is clearly one of Englands best wingers.

You clearly don't know him. Another one of your made up fantasies. Go off and play with the dingoes.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:41 pm

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
Stupid error? Stealing from someone whilst earning 5k a week. My sister in law went to school with him in west wilts. He was a thug and bully. Her words not mine.


Yep, that is pretty stupid from where im standing. :lol:

What was the name of the school she went to?

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:43 pm

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
You clearly don't know him. Another one of your made up fantasies. Go off and play with the dingoes.


I do indeed know him, in fact it is my best mate that owns his house, he is a true gent :thumbup:

As for "another" made up fantasy, could you even point to one?

No? Ah well :laughing6:

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:44 pm

Aramore wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,



Never understand why England don't take about 8 up and coming players and as an example from both clubs dyer and Mutch to one of the big tournaments so that they get the experience of the set up and hodgson gets a closer look at their abilities.
After all the World Cup will see the end of a few of England's senior players so now would be the ideal time.
Personally I would take dyer over Zaha and noone as Zaha is not ready and Craig blows up after 60 minutes whereas dyer has more experience at the higher level.
In realty we know who will get picked though.


Tom Cleverly's constant calls for England are shocking. I'm not 100% convinced he would improve our side so god knows how he gets into a so called World Class side.


It's all to do with the clubs they play for. Others would include Welbeck (2 goals in a season) Downing, when playing for Liverpool (no goals and no sister in a season) Adam Johnson couldn't get in the City side but was consistently picked for England.
No call up for Downing and Johnson now they're playing for WHU and Sunderland, despite playing better with more game time. Figure that one out!

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:46 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
Stupid error? Stealing from someone whilst earning 5k a week. My sister in law went to school with him in west wilts. He was a thug and bully. Her words not mine.


Yep, that is pretty stupid from where im standing. :lol:

What was the name of the school she went to?

St Laurence school in Bradford upon Avon

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:47 pm

steve davies wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,



Never understand why England don't take about 8 up and coming players and as an example from both clubs dyer and Mutch to one of the big tournaments so that they get the experience of the set up and hodgson gets a closer look at their abilities.
After all the World Cup will see the end of a few of England's senior players so now would be the ideal time.
Personally I would take dyer over Zaha and noone as Zaha is not ready and Craig blows up after 60 minutes whereas dyer has more experience at the higher level.
In realty we know who will get picked though.


I wouldn't take players to tournaments just for the experience. I would however use the friendlies much more proactively and give new players a chance in at least 2 or 3 games.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:47 pm

PremierJacks wrote:
Aramore wrote:
steve davies wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,



Never understand why England don't take about 8 up and coming players and as an example from both clubs dyer and Mutch to one of the big tournaments so that they get the experience of the set up and hodgson gets a closer look at their abilities.
After all the World Cup will see the end of a few of England's senior players so now would be the ideal time.
Personally I would take dyer over Zaha and noone as Zaha is not ready and Craig blows up after 60 minutes whereas dyer has more experience at the higher level.
In realty we know who will get picked though.


Tom Cleverly's constant calls for England are shocking. I'm not 100% convinced he would improve our side so god knows how he gets into a so called World Class side.


It's all to do with the clubs they play for. Others would include Welbeck (2 goals in a season) Downing, when playing for Liverpool (no goals and no sister in a season) Adam Johnson couldn't get in the City side but was consistently picked for England.
No call up for Downing and Johnson now they're playing for WHU and Sunderland, despite playing better with more game time. Figure that one out!


To be fair to Welbeck, his England form is probably the best out of all their strikers, but yes it is definitely to do with the clubs.

I would understand more if they made the point of them playing in the champion's league etc. But it's when Downing was getting England call ups when failing for Liverpool who were struggling in 7th that really takes the piss.

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:48 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
You clearly don't know him. Another one of your made up fantasies. Go off and play with the dingoes.


I do indeed know him, in fact it is my best mate that owns his house, he is a true gent :thumbup:

As for "another" made up fantasy, could you even point to one?

No? Ah well :laughing6:

Your best mate owns his house! Yeah right roathie. Who is your mate and where is the mythical caravan/dwelling that dyer inhabits?

Re: Caulker and England

Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:49 pm

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
PremierJacks wrote:
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Agreed, he's probably rightfully there on potential alone. Id have picked him in fairness.

The Swansea omissions continue to shock me though.

But as you rightly say, they have no chance at any major competition.



Which Swansea players do you believe should be in the reckoning ?


Dyer and Britton for sure. It criminal neither have had a cap.

Routledge also making a strong case, been superb all season and gave the Napoli right back a torrid time for 180 minutes,

The words dyer and criminal always make me chuckle! Dyer is a vile individual who does not deserve to represent his country. Britton is suited to 4 5 1. Woy hodgson prefers 4 4 2 for some reason.


You seem to have a definite downer on Dyer. "Vile individual" based on what? Because of a single stupid error seven or eight years ago?

Stupid error? Stealing from someone whilst earning 5k a week. My sister in law went to school with him in west wilts. He was a thug and bully. Her words not mine.


A 5' 5" thug and bully! What a powder puff school that must have been! Did you never do anything in your youth that you would not dream of doing now? Surely everyone is entitled to one mistake?