ANELKA, THE QUENELLE AND THE BAN

The FA said its independent regulatory commission found that Anelka did not intend his actions to be anti-Semitic.

As a result the FA has banned Anelka for 5 matches and fined him £80,000, West Brom have acted swiftly and suspended Anelka until a full verdict is published.

The Quenelle salute is widely accepted as an anti-Semitic gesture and for me the punishment doesn't go far enough.

If a player made a Nazi salute then I am sure there would be condemnation and rightly so and the punishment would undoubtedly be much harsher so why have the FA decided not take a firmer stance on the Quenelle ?

Its because the person who created it has said its anti establishment and has nothing to do with anti semitism.

Its because the person who created it has said its anti establishment and has nothing to do with anti semitism.

Craig is the establishment referred to, Washington and Tel Aviv ?

Its because the person who created it has said its anti establishment and has nothing to do with anti semitism.

Craig is the establishment referred to, Washington and Tel Aviv ?

Thats a very good question. I heard the guy speak about it yesterday and he claims its establishment in general not a specific group/religion. The guy is a devout muslim though and very anti israel so iI think its pretty obvious what the underlying meaning is. Hard to prove it though.

Its because the person who created it has said its anti establishment and has nothing to do with anti semitism.

Craig is the establishment referred to, Washington and Tel Aviv ?

Thats a very good question. I heard the guy speak about it yesterday and he claims its establishment in general not a specific group/religion. The guy is a devout muslim though and very anti israel so iI think its pretty obvious what the underlying meaning is. Hard to prove it though.

This is a little I have found relating to the Quenelle on the internet.

Whether or not the “quenelle” arm gesture was originally anti-semitic is open to debate. There is little doubt that it has come to have an anti-semitic meaning.

Its inventor, the black French stand-up comedian, Dieudonne M'bala M'bala, 47, has seven convictions in France for inciting racial hatred against jews. He is currently under investigation yet again for making anti-semitic remarks.

"La quenelle" in French means an elongated meat-ball or fish-ball. In slang, it means a finger or a penis.

Dieudonne's gesture means, symbolically, that you want to shove your "quenelle" as far as possible up the backside of your enemy.

Although the quenelle is sometimes aimed at the "system", the overwhelming majority of pictures of "quenelles" posted on the internet have jewish targets. Alain Soral, an openly anti-semitic French writer and self-desribed "national socialist" political activist, recently posted an image of himself "doing the quenelle" at Auschwitz. He is a close friend and adviser of Dieudonne.

In any case, there is little distinction in the Diedonnosphere - the name awarded to Dieudonne fans - between "the establishment" and "the jews".

In Dieudonne's world view, the jews run the world. They are responsible for the suffering of blacks and poor whites. Why? Because they manipulate the capitalist system in their own interests and because have created a global monopoly of pity by exploiting the Holocaust (which may or may not ever have existed).

Its because the person who created it has said its anti establishment and has nothing to do with anti semitism.

Craig is the establishment referred to, Washington and Tel Aviv ?

Thats a very good question. I heard the guy speak about it yesterday and he claims its establishment in general not a specific group/religion. The guy is a devout muslim though and very anti israel so iI think its pretty obvious what the underlying meaning is. Hard to prove it though.

This is a little I have found relating to the Quenelle on the internet.

Whether or not the “quenelle” arm gesture was originally anti-semitic is open to debate. There is little doubt that it has come to have an anti-semitic meaning.

Its inventor, the black French stand-up comedian, Dieudonne M'bala M'bala, 47, has seven convictions in France for inciting racial hatred against jews. He is currently under investigation yet again for making anti-semitic remarks.

"La quenelle" in French means an elongated meat-ball or fish-ball. In slang, it means a finger or a penis.

Dieudonne's gesture means, symbolically, that you want to shove your "quenelle" as far as possible up the backside of your enemy.

Although the quenelle is sometimes aimed at the "system", the overwhelming majority of pictures of "quenelles" posted on the internet have jewish targets. Alain Soral, an openly anti-semitic French writer and self-desribed "national socialist" political activist, recently posted an image of himself "doing the quenelle" at Auschwitz. He is a close friend and adviser of Dieudonne.

In any case, there is little distinction in the Diedonnosphere - the name awarded to Dieudonne fans - between "the establishment" and "the jews".

In Dieudonne's world view, the jews run the world. They are responsible for the suffering of blacks and poor whites. Why? Because they manipulate the capitalist system in their own interests and because have created a global monopoly of pity by exploiting the Holocaust (which may or may not ever have existed).

I was watching a news article about this Dieudonne the other week and wasn't really surprised to find out that this gesture was used on a poster for his European Election campaign where he represented the "Anti Zionist Party". He said he intended the salute "to put the quenelle into Zionism's butt".

Anti establishment your having a laugh.

It's a joke it took so long.

They could have done that in a week if they'd had any procedures in place.

There's a photo of Samir Nasri doing the Quenelle too. I agree with Carl, the punishment goes nowhere near far enough.

It's pretty obvious that the gesture is anti- Semitic, but probably hard to prove. Imagine if he'd done it at White Hart Lane!

But what is Anelka doing this gesture here for? Why bring this French crap to our country? Do it over there, and face the consequences.

Well done WBA, though, suspending him.

The FA said its independent regulatory commission found that Anelka did not intend his actions to be anti-Semitic.

As a result the FA has banned Anelka for 5 matches and fined him £80,000, West Brom have acted swiftly and suspended Anelka until a full verdict is published.

The Quenelle salute is widely accepted as an anti-Semitic gesture and for me the punishment doesn't go far enough.

If a player made a Nazi salute then I am sure there would be condemnation and rightly so and the punishment would undoubtedly be much harsher so why have the FA decided not take a firmer stance on the Quenelle ?

I'm sorry Carl i find your indignation somewhat Hypocritical, Taking into account you are a co/founder of this forum, and the way you constantly allow the term gypo to be used as Gypsies are classed as an ethnic minority the term could be classed as racist

The FA said its independent regulatory commission found that Anelka did not intend his actions to be anti-Semitic.

As a result the FA has banned Anelka for 5 matches and fined him £80,000, West Brom have acted swiftly and suspended Anelka until a full verdict is published.

The Quenelle salute is widely accepted as an anti-Semitic gesture and for me the punishment doesn't go far enough.

If a player made a Nazi salute then I am sure there would be condemnation and rightly so and the punishment would undoubtedly be much harsher so why have the FA decided not take a firmer stance on the Quenelle ?

I'm sorry Carl i find your indignation somewhat Hypocritical, Taking into account you are a co/founder of this forum, and the way you constantly allow the term gypo to be used as Gypsies are classed as an ethnic minority the term could be classed as racist

Dave, I am not co-founder of the forum

In Dieudonne's world view, the jews run the world. They are responsible for the suffering of blacks and poor whites. Why? Because they manipulate the capitalist system in their own interests and because have created a global monopoly of pity by exploiting the Holocaust (which may or may not ever have existed).

Carl are you of the opinion that the holocaust never happened

The FA said its independent regulatory commission found that Anelka did not intend his actions to be anti-Semitic.

As a result the FA has banned Anelka for 5 matches and fined him £80,000, West Brom have acted swiftly and suspended Anelka until a full verdict is published.

The Quenelle salute is widely accepted as an anti-Semitic gesture and for me the punishment doesn't go far enough.

If a player made a Nazi salute then I am sure there would be condemnation and rightly so and the punishment would undoubtedly be much harsher so why have the FA decided not take a firmer stance on the Quenelle ?

I'm sorry Carl i find your indignation somewhat Hypocritical, Taking into account you are a co/founder of this forum, and the way you constantly allow the term gypo to be used as Gypsies are classed as an ethnic minority the term could be classed as racist

Dave, I am not co-founder of the forum

Fair enough was just trying to show hypocrisy

In Dieudonne's world view, the jews run the world. They are responsible for the suffering of blacks and poor whites. Why? Because they manipulate the capitalist system in their own interests and because have created a global monopoly of pity by exploiting the Holocaust (which may or may not ever have existed).

Carl are you of the opinion that the holocaust never happened

No.

Regardless of anyone's views on if it was anti Semitic the clown knew by doing it he was going to cause a problem for himself and his club.
Should be sacked in my opinion.

The FA said its independent regulatory commission found that Anelka did not intend his actions to be anti-Semitic.

As a result the FA has banned Anelka for 5 matches and fined him £80,000, West Brom have acted swiftly and suspended Anelka until a full verdict is published.

The Quenelle salute is widely accepted as an anti-Semitic gesture and for me the punishment doesn't go far enough.

If a player made a Nazi salute then I am sure there would be condemnation and rightly so and the punishment would undoubtedly be much harsher so why have the FA decided not take a firmer stance on the Quenelle ?

No opinion on what Anelka did, but has to be good that West Brom are minus a striker in the relegation run in.