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Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:08 am

Right, there's a lot of contradictory views on here and people saying "I'm right, you're wrong". I'm going to state the obvious here lads. We are all a little bit right and a little bit wrong. Let me cover a number of areas where this season has gone wrong and prove to you that nobody's view is necessarily completely right.

- Malky had a lot of money to spend that really could have been spent better. Nobody can justify £8m on Cornelius looking back but at the time this transfer was approved by a lot of people within the game. I'm still confident Cornelius will do well but I still don't think that much money on an unproven player is worth it. Medel and Caulker were decent signings but the other money could have been much better spent.

- Simon Lim, as CEO, should not have signed off such high value transfers on such big risks. If he didn't sign them off then why not? There should have been closer scrutiny about how the money was being spent.

- Vincent Tan should not have sacked Malky. We weren't playing great football and who knows we might not have even survived but he was keeping us afloat. We were picking up the odd result along the way and it was working.

- Solskjaer should have formulated a more concrete gameplan earlier into his reign. When he took over he should have sat down, worked out where he needed to improve and stuck with a game plan. He doesn't know his arse from his face right now and that's going to cost us survival.

What's done is done. We will never know if Malky would have kept us up or not but Solskjaer never stood a chance of keeping us up with a squad that is predominantly full of players that are not his. I hope Tan sticks with Solskjaer now but I can't see it. The media is already circulating "rumours" and "speculation" of a rift between the two. It's probably not true but when the media wants a story to happen they often plant the seeds to make it happen.

So whatever your view of who is at fault, our club has once again been the victim of a number of mistakes from a lot of different people. I'm not a Tan fan or a Lim fan but they're not the only ones to blame. Neither are Malky or Solskjaer. They are all guilty of errors that will ultimately lead to our relegation. That's my realistic opinion. I'm going to hope against it and keep supporting us until it's confirmed but fate is working against us.

I just hope we learn from this season but based on Tan's inability to learn from the rebrand I am pretty sure he won't learn from this season and we are in for a troublesome few years.

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:58 pm

Getting promoted

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:00 pm

bluebirdbaz wrote:Getting promoted

straight to the point,but have to agree.... :ayatollah:

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:14 pm

Apart from the rebrand everything seemed fine until the problems with the player bonuses. Ever since then the off field issues spiralled at least publicly and on field performances followed suit

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:31 pm

When we celebrated Ramseys goal with him.

Since then the crowds turned to shit an so have the performances.

All those twats who left early against hull should have there ticket banned for the Liverpool match plastic cunts.

We've turned into a bunch of f*cking muppets.

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:39 pm

When we got promoted and the green eyed capital lost it and was willing to sell its soul to catch up.
Then when we had two good seasons the big brother thought this premier league crack must be a piece of cake as the gypos have done well.

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:40 pm

Zabier wrote:Right, there's a lot of contradictory views on here and people saying "I'm right, you're wrong". I'm going to state the obvious here lads. We are all a little bit right and a little bit wrong. Let me cover a number of areas where this season has gone wrong and prove to you that nobody's view is necessarily completely right.

- Malky had a lot of money to spend that really could have been spent better. Nobody can justify £8m on Cornelius looking back but at the time this transfer was approved by a lot of people within the game. I'm still confident Cornelius will do well but I still don't think that much money on an unproven player is worth it. Medel and Caulker were decent signings but the other money could have been much better spent.

- Simon Lim, as CEO, should not have signed off such high value transfers on such big risks. If he didn't sign them off then why not? There should have been closer scrutiny about how the money was being spent.

- Vincent Tan should not have sacked Malky. We weren't playing great football and who knows we might not have even survived but he was keeping us afloat. We were picking up the odd result along the way and it was working.

- Solskjaer should have formulated a more concrete gameplan earlier into his reign. When he took over he should have sat down, worked out where he needed to improve and stuck with a game plan. He doesn't know his arse from his face right now and that's going to cost us survival.

What's done is done. We will never know if Malky would have kept us up or not but Solskjaer never stood a chance of keeping us up with a squad that is predominantly full of players that are not his. I hope Tan sticks with Solskjaer now but I can't see it. The media is already circulating "rumours" and "speculation" of a rift between the two. It's probably not true but when the media wants a story to happen they often plant the seeds to make it happen.

So whatever your view of who is at fault, our club has once again been the victim of a number of mistakes from a lot of different people. I'm not a Tan fan or a Lim fan but they're not the only ones to blame. Neither are Malky or Solskjaer. They are all guilty of errors that will ultimately lead to our relegation. That's my realistic opinion. I'm going to hope against it and keep supporting us until it's confirmed but fate is working against us.

I just hope we learn from this season but based on Tan's inability to learn from the rebrand I am pretty sure he won't learn from this season and we are in for a troublesome few years.


Pretty much agree with everything you've said mate. Also the lack of stability frightens the life out of me, everything constantly feels up in the air.

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:52 pm

I think its pretty obvious when & where it all went wrong, but let us remind ourselves of some facts;

April 16 2013, City gain promotion, Vincent Tan is full of glowing praise & respect (live on tv after the game) for Malky Mackay's achievements, & promises substantial funds for him to stay in the Premier league for a "long long time".

During the next few months, May, June, & the rumors are about that Malky is finding new quality signings difficult to come buy, for one reason or another. Then on July 1st we get;

http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 88216.aspx

By August 25, & our first home game of the season v Man City. After the game Vincent & Malky can hardly shake hands with each other, but it wasn't until our home game with Newcastle Utd on the 5th October, that rumblings of discontentment by the players over bonus payments was made public, & a rift between VT & MM started to gather pace.

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:57 pm

jackf wrote:When we got promoted and the green eyed capital lost it and was willing to sell its soul to catch up.
Then when we had two good seasons the big brother thought this premier league crack must be a piece of cake as the gypos have done well.


Don't believe the "We had to get to the Premier League at all costs because the gypos got there first" bollocks, but as much as it kills me to say it when you got promoted you were all pulling together in the same direction, no off field rubbish and had a clear plan of what you wanted to do and how you were going about it.

It's been a disaster for us, Jack tw*t.

Re: Where Did It All Go Wrong?

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:16 pm

GotMeSingingTheBlues wrote:
jackf wrote:When we got promoted and the green eyed capital lost it and was willing to sell its soul to catch up.
Then when we had two good seasons the big brother thought this premier league crack must be a piece of cake as the gypos have done well.


Don't believe the "We had to get to the Premier League at all costs because the gypos got there first" bollocks, but as much as it kills me to say it when you got promoted you were all pulling together in the same direction, no off field rubbish and had a clear plan of what you wanted to do and how you were going about it.

It's been a disaster for us, Jack tw*t.

the 'we're coming for you' number and your victory parade led by that loser hudson said it all. Has captain marvel actually kicked a ball yet in the top flight? Maybe it would have been best for him and the club in general if you just kept on bottling promotion.