A plea for honesty over what VT has done
Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:43 am
In my view, it is beyond belief that anyone can blame VT for the fact that currently we’re struggling in the Premiership.
The facts, as I see them as are follows :
1. He gave Mackay a substantial budget last season in the Championship and if it hadn’t been for a very poor run of form from the teams all around us at the top, we wouldn’t have been promoted, as we were woeful towards the end of the season. Despite that, the anti VT agenda driven propaganda from places like this forum said the only reason for the promotion was because of Mackay (and conveniently forgot that Mackay had been given a massive budget for the Championship).
2. He then gave Mackay a huge budget for the Premiership as soon as we got there (and Mackay had longer than any of the other promoted Managers to prepare for the Premiership as we were promoted on 16th April). He also apparently had a massive amount of research with his lauded “dossier”.
3. Mackay then spends a small fortune to bring in only one striker (Cornelius), who has clearly been shown to us all to not be up to Premier League standard – would anyone (even with their pro Mackay and anti VT agenda dare to challenge that assertion).
4. The worst thing of all about the signing of Cornelius is that Mackay himself came out and staggeringly said that he bought him for the future (or words to that effect) – so on that logic, he was basically saying I didn’t buy a striker with all the money I was given to give us a chance to stay in the Premiership - and remember, it was VT’s money not Mackay’s!
5. Over and above that, we’ve had a problem all season long with full backs, and Mackay wasted yet more of VT’s millions on buying a full back (Brayford) who I’ve only seen play on TV for Sheffield United this season!
6. The only players that one could possibly argue (and even these are debatable) Mackay bought with all the millions he’s been given by VT that are Premiership quality are Kimbo, Campbell (but not a prolific striker), Noone (but very hit and miss), Mutch (but very injury prone), Bellamy (but he came because of his loyalty to CCFC not because of Mackay), Caulker and Medel (both of them over-priced, in my view, but good players).
7. Other than that our best players last season (who were the mainstay of the promotion) were all Jones signings – Marshall, Hudson and Whittingham.
8. The position after the game on 26th December 2013, which was Mackay’s last game, despite the arguments of some that we were hard to beat and had a good defence, we had a goal difference of minus 15 and were a point above the relegation places.
As far as I can see, virtually all of the above are either factual statements or opinions which virtually no City fan would disagree with – can anyone blame VT for any of this? If people are being honest, I think anyone with a brain in their head would say no to any blame attaching to VT for any of the above.
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The contentious part comes with getting rid of Mackay and replacing him with OGS.
I personally don’t rate Mackay (especially as fit for the Premiership), and the signing of Cornelius alone is enough for him to have been given the sack (it’s hardly the same as Fergusson or Mourinho getting one signing wrong, when they’ve got a team full of quality and one bad signing can be assimilated – Cornelius should have been our main striker this season given the money was asked to spend on him).
Personally, I feel that OGS was (and is) the right man for the job and we will have a much better chance at becoming the quality team that VT wants us to be under OGS than we ever would have had under Mackay – hoof ball and all-out defence is not the way to build a solid foundation at a club for long term success in the Premiership (which is what I believe VT wants for City).
It may take a relegation and then a re-building in the right way in the Championship to come back up, but I’ve followed City long enough to not be like a small child and want overnight success on a plate – about 11 years ago, I was ecstatic when we beat QPR to get promotion to League 1 (as it was called then), so going back there is hardly the end of the world.
However, I’ve not yet given up on this season, and a couple of good wins and suddenly we could be well clear of the relegation places.
What utterly bewilders me is people who said they would give Mackay at least 3 transfer windows before they judged him (and some even said if he took us down, he should have been given another year in the Championship), are now saying that OGS should be judged after about 12 games! That is just complete double standards and deplorable, in my view – and just shows that they are not intelligent enough to make a solid argument without letting their anti VT agenda get in the way of any rational thought.
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The positives as I see them are :
1. VT Has delivered on pouring money into the team (it’s not his fault that it was so badly spent in the summer transfer window by Mackay).
2. VT is delivering on both the stadium expansion and the training facilities.
3. VT, in my view, has a long term and not a short term plan to make this club a success – a relegation would be a blow, but one that we could easily get over, in my view (and if a relegation happens the main culprit for why it has happened is clearly Mackay, in my view).
The part that I just don’t get is that because I am pro VT and support the rebrand, many fans on here would call me a plastic – and yet those same fans seem to be up in arms over a possible relegation (and some are even saying they will not renew their season tickets / walked out early of games etc.) – if these fans are true CCFC loyalists, why is a relegation to what is still a very good league such a major blow? I respect those who walked away when the rebrand happened, but to take this stance now mystifies me if they are true City fans.
A relegation would obviously be a disappointment, but one we can easily get over – my philosophy is, if we have to go down, build again (but this time properly) for the Premiership and when we get up next time, don’t play hoof-ball and make it a far more enjoyable experience than what Mackay delivered this season.
I don’t post regularly on here, as I’m pro VT and the leaders of this forum have made it clear they are anti VT – but they also say all opinions are welcome and the forum is for all football fans, so I hope this post is taken for what it is – a plea for some honesty – and if the anti VT propaganda is really all because of the rebrand, then fight on that issue – not on blaming him for others mistakes, when he has made more than enough money available for our Managers.
City till I die! (with VT and OGS at the helm hopefully).
The facts, as I see them as are follows :
1. He gave Mackay a substantial budget last season in the Championship and if it hadn’t been for a very poor run of form from the teams all around us at the top, we wouldn’t have been promoted, as we were woeful towards the end of the season. Despite that, the anti VT agenda driven propaganda from places like this forum said the only reason for the promotion was because of Mackay (and conveniently forgot that Mackay had been given a massive budget for the Championship).
2. He then gave Mackay a huge budget for the Premiership as soon as we got there (and Mackay had longer than any of the other promoted Managers to prepare for the Premiership as we were promoted on 16th April). He also apparently had a massive amount of research with his lauded “dossier”.
3. Mackay then spends a small fortune to bring in only one striker (Cornelius), who has clearly been shown to us all to not be up to Premier League standard – would anyone (even with their pro Mackay and anti VT agenda dare to challenge that assertion).
4. The worst thing of all about the signing of Cornelius is that Mackay himself came out and staggeringly said that he bought him for the future (or words to that effect) – so on that logic, he was basically saying I didn’t buy a striker with all the money I was given to give us a chance to stay in the Premiership - and remember, it was VT’s money not Mackay’s!
5. Over and above that, we’ve had a problem all season long with full backs, and Mackay wasted yet more of VT’s millions on buying a full back (Brayford) who I’ve only seen play on TV for Sheffield United this season!
6. The only players that one could possibly argue (and even these are debatable) Mackay bought with all the millions he’s been given by VT that are Premiership quality are Kimbo, Campbell (but not a prolific striker), Noone (but very hit and miss), Mutch (but very injury prone), Bellamy (but he came because of his loyalty to CCFC not because of Mackay), Caulker and Medel (both of them over-priced, in my view, but good players).
7. Other than that our best players last season (who were the mainstay of the promotion) were all Jones signings – Marshall, Hudson and Whittingham.
8. The position after the game on 26th December 2013, which was Mackay’s last game, despite the arguments of some that we were hard to beat and had a good defence, we had a goal difference of minus 15 and were a point above the relegation places.
As far as I can see, virtually all of the above are either factual statements or opinions which virtually no City fan would disagree with – can anyone blame VT for any of this? If people are being honest, I think anyone with a brain in their head would say no to any blame attaching to VT for any of the above.
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The contentious part comes with getting rid of Mackay and replacing him with OGS.
I personally don’t rate Mackay (especially as fit for the Premiership), and the signing of Cornelius alone is enough for him to have been given the sack (it’s hardly the same as Fergusson or Mourinho getting one signing wrong, when they’ve got a team full of quality and one bad signing can be assimilated – Cornelius should have been our main striker this season given the money was asked to spend on him).
Personally, I feel that OGS was (and is) the right man for the job and we will have a much better chance at becoming the quality team that VT wants us to be under OGS than we ever would have had under Mackay – hoof ball and all-out defence is not the way to build a solid foundation at a club for long term success in the Premiership (which is what I believe VT wants for City).
It may take a relegation and then a re-building in the right way in the Championship to come back up, but I’ve followed City long enough to not be like a small child and want overnight success on a plate – about 11 years ago, I was ecstatic when we beat QPR to get promotion to League 1 (as it was called then), so going back there is hardly the end of the world.
However, I’ve not yet given up on this season, and a couple of good wins and suddenly we could be well clear of the relegation places.
What utterly bewilders me is people who said they would give Mackay at least 3 transfer windows before they judged him (and some even said if he took us down, he should have been given another year in the Championship), are now saying that OGS should be judged after about 12 games! That is just complete double standards and deplorable, in my view – and just shows that they are not intelligent enough to make a solid argument without letting their anti VT agenda get in the way of any rational thought.
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The positives as I see them are :
1. VT Has delivered on pouring money into the team (it’s not his fault that it was so badly spent in the summer transfer window by Mackay).
2. VT is delivering on both the stadium expansion and the training facilities.
3. VT, in my view, has a long term and not a short term plan to make this club a success – a relegation would be a blow, but one that we could easily get over, in my view (and if a relegation happens the main culprit for why it has happened is clearly Mackay, in my view).
The part that I just don’t get is that because I am pro VT and support the rebrand, many fans on here would call me a plastic – and yet those same fans seem to be up in arms over a possible relegation (and some are even saying they will not renew their season tickets / walked out early of games etc.) – if these fans are true CCFC loyalists, why is a relegation to what is still a very good league such a major blow? I respect those who walked away when the rebrand happened, but to take this stance now mystifies me if they are true City fans.
A relegation would obviously be a disappointment, but one we can easily get over – my philosophy is, if we have to go down, build again (but this time properly) for the Premiership and when we get up next time, don’t play hoof-ball and make it a far more enjoyable experience than what Mackay delivered this season.
I don’t post regularly on here, as I’m pro VT and the leaders of this forum have made it clear they are anti VT – but they also say all opinions are welcome and the forum is for all football fans, so I hope this post is taken for what it is – a plea for some honesty – and if the anti VT propaganda is really all because of the rebrand, then fight on that issue – not on blaming him for others mistakes, when he has made more than enough money available for our Managers.
City till I die! (with VT and OGS at the helm hopefully).
Re: A plea for honesty over what VT has done
Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:32 am
You want a plea for honesty. Right lets see if this get pass your blindness that your own opinions have given you.
Under Malky before Tan butted in we were looking comfortable to avoid relegation. No we were not playing pretty football but we were producing. As a reminder we got a draw at Hull, how did we do yesterday. While I'm on it I didn't hear Tan complain when we were playing dire football last season while we were on top of the league.
Then Tan buts in during the Newcastle game. We lose at home to a team who were playing dreadful at the time. Funny really that game saved Newcastles season but screwed ours. Since then it has been downhill with the slight halt of the home win over the Jacks. How did we do against them without Malky?
Now we have tension in the dressing room. A bit like the bullying boss at work. A recipe for disaster. Infact this disaster looks like it is over before it starts.
The reason for all this? Transfers. Well guys like you go on as this has never happened at any club before. Yes Acorn was a bad move but the need to totally throw your teddy out of the pram like Tan has done in football circles just goes to show that he knows nothing about football.
So now we have a new manager with practically a new team playing in the best league in the world with only half the time to sort it out. We find ourselves not being able to score, letting in loads of goal against relegation fodder and basically seeing what was mean't to be our time being a total nightmare. This is all down to one man and that is Tan and only him. It was his decision to replace Malky and now the bully can take responsibility and the scorn that comes with being a failure.
Hopefully thats the rocket up your arse you need to see the light again.
Under Malky before Tan butted in we were looking comfortable to avoid relegation. No we were not playing pretty football but we were producing. As a reminder we got a draw at Hull, how did we do yesterday. While I'm on it I didn't hear Tan complain when we were playing dire football last season while we were on top of the league.
Then Tan buts in during the Newcastle game. We lose at home to a team who were playing dreadful at the time. Funny really that game saved Newcastles season but screwed ours. Since then it has been downhill with the slight halt of the home win over the Jacks. How did we do against them without Malky?
Now we have tension in the dressing room. A bit like the bullying boss at work. A recipe for disaster. Infact this disaster looks like it is over before it starts.
The reason for all this? Transfers. Well guys like you go on as this has never happened at any club before. Yes Acorn was a bad move but the need to totally throw your teddy out of the pram like Tan has done in football circles just goes to show that he knows nothing about football.
So now we have a new manager with practically a new team playing in the best league in the world with only half the time to sort it out. We find ourselves not being able to score, letting in loads of goal against relegation fodder and basically seeing what was mean't to be our time being a total nightmare. This is all down to one man and that is Tan and only him. It was his decision to replace Malky and now the bully can take responsibility and the scorn that comes with being a failure.
Hopefully thats the rocket up your arse you need to see the light again.
Re: A plea for honesty over what VT has done
Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:43 am
Die Walkure wrote: City till I die! (with VT and OGS at the helm hopefully).
Re: A plea for honesty over what VT has done
Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:44 am
The OP makes some very good observations but misses the most important point.
The ones to blames are the players themselves.
Some of them need to take a moment or two and ask themselves "am I doing enough? Am I doing the best I can"
Apart from a few the answers to both questions is NO.
Yes, the manager, the chairman or owner always take the flack and our owner has got a lot wrong, but please, don't blame these guys for everything.
It is just giving excuses to players who have quite frankly not done enough.
The ones to blames are the players themselves.
Some of them need to take a moment or two and ask themselves "am I doing enough? Am I doing the best I can"
Apart from a few the answers to both questions is NO.
Yes, the manager, the chairman or owner always take the flack and our owner has got a lot wrong, but please, don't blame these guys for everything.
It is just giving excuses to players who have quite frankly not done enough.