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Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:40 am

This is NOT an anti-Solskjær piece whatsoever. I am questioning our joke of a boardroom :laughing6:

It has just occurred to me that with both Malky & Ole having little experience, there is a penchant for young up-and-coming managers from this regime. And then have the nerve to wonder why some of the transfer kitty is not spent wisely.

If you have managed in top leagues, don't bother handing in your CV to Vinny

Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman insisted the Norwegian was the club's only target. (BBC Sport) Really?? is this the best way to conduct affairs???

Ole Gunnar Solskjær
Experience: Reserve team manager for Man Utd + a very successful stint in Norway (4 years Norwegian football)


Managers out of work at the time:

Marcelo Bielsa

Experience 23 years coaching. Numerous South American clubs, Argentina, Chile, Athletic Bilbao. Successful Manager

Summary
[i]Bielsa refuses to grant exclusive media interviews, the press conference has become his preferred method of communication. He has been known to field every last question from the assembled media during these gatherings. If the talk turns to the intricacies of the game, a three- or even four-hour press conference is possible. According to him: Every section of the media should get the same attention from me, from the capital's most prominent TV channel to the smallest newspaper in the provinces.
(wiki)
"He is known for watching and collecting numerous football videos to the point of obsession. He edits and analyzes each video for each individual player. He also utilizes statistical software and other technological tools to prepare for games. John Carlin, an English journalist, has stated that Bielsa "has the most cultured library of soccer in the world."[/i] (wiki)
Quotes Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius." [27] Barcelona's Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" in 2012. (wiki)

Tony Pulis

Experience No synopsis really needed...Long ball tactics, (haven't seen Palace playing direct all the time mind) ;) Never been relegated

Alan Curbishley

Experience 17 years most in the top-flight

Experience kept an unfashionable Charlton Athletic in the premiership for many years, fell-apart when he left

That is just 3, I haven't got all night and am bored now :roll:

Good luck Ole, you may well have been the best candidate and I remain neutral on that. But for Dalman to only have thoughts of Ole is NOT professional!!

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:13 am

Ha! he was the best candidate as he was the only one :roll: :lol:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:01 am

If we appointed Curbishley I'd have cut my season ticket up there on the spot

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:02 am

Pulis was manager of Palace by the time Malky was sacked.

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:24 am

Alan Curbishley.....for the love of god

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:30 am

hehehe, just putting it out there :lol: Curbs played good football too

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:42 am

Tony Pulis wasn't available he was crystal palace manager.

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:55 am

Bluebird86 wrote:Tony Pulis wasn't available he was crystal palace manager.


Most clubs talk with at least 3 candidates...I stand corrected about Pulis's availability, but the way Palace actually appointed him was the right way.

I think they may have spoken to Chris Coleman, Pulis & a few others....Pulis convinced them he could get them out of the hole & he did. A correct fit. :ayatollah:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:56 am

If Ole goes I personally think that we will have huge difficulty getting a decent replacement. Tan has turned the club into a poison chalice which no one will want to touch. So sad.

Tan needs to go and the Championship beckons and maybe games will become a pleasure again.

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:14 pm

Grumpyguts wrote:If Ole goes I personally think that we will have huge difficulty getting a decent replacement. Tan has turned the club into a poison chalice which no one will want to touch. So sad.

Tan needs to go and the Championship beckons and maybe games will become a pleasure again.


I think you need an old head in there to calm everyone down, including the owners if possible. :ayatollah: I have no idea why someone experienced was never shortlisted...bizzare. Allerdyce is earning his money when it matters, Pulis has been a revelation...Pepe Mel, understands pressure of managing a good club in La Liga....we shouldn't be suprised that the relegation favourites have inexperienced managers. Cardiff & Fulham

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:24 pm

So you question why we did not employ one manager who had just been appointed by Palace and another whose appointment would have caused uproar on here. How do you know that we did not approach Biesla? You don't know the circumstances do you?

Just another negative post by someone without a clue.

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:24 pm

ThomasC wrote:
Grumpyguts wrote:If Ole goes I personally think that we will have huge difficulty getting a decent replacement. Tan has turned the club into a poison chalice which no one will want to touch. So sad.

Tan needs to go and the Championship beckons and maybe games will become a pleasure again.


I think you need an old head in there to calm everyone down, including the owners if possible. :ayatollah: I have no idea why someone experienced was never shortlisted...bizzare. Allerdyce is earning his money when it matters, Pulis has been a revelation...Pepe Mel, understands pressure of managing a good club in La Liga....we shouldn't be suprised that the relegation favourites have inexperienced managers. Cardiff & Fulham

pullis rep for hoofball a bit over the top.stoke had two decent wingers too.at home they were not exactly wimbledon were they?away he ,d go back to front a lot quicker .saves committing men forward.thought he got too much flak at stoke.still the clayheads know best :laughing6:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:29 pm

if stoke go down and port vale rise a bit up the league then the derby games back on. el claysico :laughing6:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:38 pm

Man of Harlech wrote:So you question why we did not employ one manager who had just been appointed by Palace and another whose appointment would have caused uproar on here. How do you know that we did not approach Biesla? You don't know the circumstances do you?

Just another negative post by someone without a clue.


Dalman said he only approached one man, that was Solksjær

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25541625

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:44 pm

jtc wrote: pullis rep for hoofball a bit over the top.stoke had two decent wingers too.at home they were not exactly wimbledon were they?away he ,d go back to front a lot quicker .saves committing men forward.thought he got too much flak at stoke.still the clayheads know best :laughing6:


I think it was because he had been at Stoke for so long, people get bored of the same old....are Stoke a better team without Pulis? I would say no. :ayatollah:

Great point about the tactics saving Pulis's teams from overcommitting forward....very solid, rugged & uncompromising

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:45 pm

Maybe the current regime had a vision of moulding Malkay into one of their own due to his inexperience but got it all wrong as MM didn't turn out to be the yes man they had planned for.
Maybe they feel OGS will be that man,bringing in an experienced man with hi own ideas is the last thing a dictatorship wants so don't expect any top managers to come to this club while Tan is here.

TAN OUT/And take the rest of em with you

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:45 pm

ThomasC wrote:
Man of Harlech wrote:So you question why we did not employ one manager who had just been appointed by Palace and another whose appointment would have caused uproar on here. How do you know that we did not approach Biesla? You don't know the circumstances do you?

Just another negative post by someone without a clue.


Dalman said he only approached one man, that was Solksjær

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25541625


It appears Man from Harlech is the one without a clue. FAIL :lol:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:53 pm

Grumpyguts wrote:
ThomasC wrote:
Man of Harlech wrote:So you question why we did not employ one manager who had just been appointed by Palace and another whose appointment would have caused uproar on here. How do you know that we did not approach Biesla? You don't know the circumstances do you?

Just another negative post by someone without a clue.


Dalman said he only approached one man, that was Solksjær

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25541625


It appears Man from Harlech is the one without a clue. FAIL :lol:

just a bit :laughing6: as a outsider i think if ole can keep you up then he could be good for next season.i still think if mm has stayed he,d keep you up.i think he deserved a season at least.malky got sacked at xmas but was wounded well before that by tans sniping.plenty of time before pullis took over at palace.pullis may have been a great fit at yr club

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:55 pm

ThomasC wrote:
jtc wrote: pullis rep for hoofball a bit over the top.stoke had two decent wingers too.at home they were not exactly wimbledon were they?away he ,d go back to front a lot quicker .saves committing men forward.thought he got too much flak at stoke.still the clayheads know best :laughing6:


I think it was because he had been at Stoke for so long, people get bored of the same old....are Stoke a better team without Pulis? I would say no. :ayatollah:

Great point about the tactics saving Pulis's teams from overcommitting forward....very solid, rugged & uncompromising

i talked recently to a stoke fan and he basically summed up what yr saying.he likes hughes attempt to play a bit more football but is aware they are prob between styles if you like.the lad is unsure they,ll stay up

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:57 pm

Pulis was Palace manager by the time Malky was sacked, its weird how it worked but in theory the fans supporting Malky at Liverpool probably delayed the sacking of Malky which meant Pulis was then unavailable.

I did hear they approached Pulis anyway before Malky was sacked and he then told Malky.

Dalaman wasnt here when we appointed Malky, that was Whiteley

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:08 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:Alan Curbishley.....for the love of god


genuine question but whats wrong with curbishley? hes done a good job at Charlton and then at west ham keeping them up, I don't get why people don't like him

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:13 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Pulis was Palace manager by the time Malky was sacked, its weird how it worked but in theory the fans supporting Malky at Liverpool probably delayed the sacking of Malky which meant Pulis was then unavailable.

I did hear they approached Pulis anyway before Malky was sacked and he then told Malky.

Dalaman wasnt here when we appointed Malky, that was Whiteley


Dalman still vouched for Solksjær at his first recruitment drive...Tan involved in two signings or relative inexperience and what a success the first was :ayatollah: Malky was brilliant and I hop Solksjær will keep us up!

Interesting to know Pulis was approached informally, it never happened and at that time (like many of us) I didn't hold him such high regard as I do now. Would of been a better bet in a relegation dog-fight? :ayatollah:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:13 pm

citybluechris wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:Alan Curbishley.....for the love of god


genuine question but whats wrong with curbishley? hes done a good job at Charlton and then at west ham keeping them up, I don't get why people don't like him


He has been out of the game for near on 6 years now.

If I remember correctly he wasted a load of money at WHU and they did pretty poorly.

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:17 pm

citybluechris wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:Alan Curbishley.....for the love of god


genuine question but whats wrong with curbishley? hes done a good job at Charlton and then at west ham keeping them up, I don't get why people don't like him


Nothing in my eyes, good with players, seen it all, good contacts...the Charlton youth academy was utilized well. An experienced manager. Pulis was probably unpopular at Palace until he started winning games :ayatollah:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:21 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
citybluechris wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:Alan Curbishley.....for the love of god


genuine question but whats wrong with curbishley? hes done a good job at Charlton and then at west ham keeping them up, I don't get why people don't like him


He has been out of the game for near on 6 years now.

If I remember correctly he wasted a load of money at WHU and they did pretty poorly.


really? I thought he did a good job at westham, they was in danger of relegation before he took over and with help with tevez of course, and did well season after top 10 finish not bad for west ham at the time, yeah 6 years is a long time out game but he turned down offers from clubs would be interesting to see how he would do as a manager today

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:25 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
citybluechris wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:Alan Curbishley.....for the love of god


genuine question but whats wrong with curbishley? hes done a good job at Charlton and then at west ham keeping them up, I don't get why people don't like him


He has been out of the game for near on 6 years now.

If I remember correctly he wasted a load of money at WHU and they did pretty poorly.


West Ham is a tough gig for a manager, unrealistic supporters at times..Pardew sacked there and went on to arguably better things.

Curbs got a top 10 finish in his first year, has managed Bellamy before! Left West Ham on principle & won a constructive dismissal case cos they were selling players without his permission.

Yes, I just read his wiki :laughing6:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Curbishley

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:58 pm

It's like the village idiots at a Buckingham palace tea party is Franchise FC in the Premier league .... Roll on relegation

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:18 pm

Daya wrote:It's like the village idiots at a Buckingham palace tea party is Franchise FC in the Premier league .... Roll on relegation

You must be proud of that statement Steve you have used it in numerous threads now. :lol:

Re: Vince & Dalman's obsession with inexperienced managers

Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:22 pm

Grumpyguts wrote:
Daya wrote:It's like the village idiots at a Buckingham palace tea party is Franchise FC in the Premier league .... Roll on relegation

You must be proud of that statement Steve you have used it in numerous threads now. :lol:


:lol: :lol: ooh dear, regurgitated nonsense :roll: :lol: