' So thousands were missing last night '

A Crowd of 27,597 was announced for City's nil nil draw with one of the bigger clubs from the Premier League Aston Villa, who brought over 2,000 fans with them. Its our first ever season in the Premier League.

Sounds quite a good crowd in my opinion,Live on TV and a wet/cold dreary Tuesday night.

But and I mean but, I have been told there were nearly 4,000 empty seats last night and yes it did look empty in many places.

Not go to say I go to every game anymore as I dont, I miss about 4 home games and 4 aways every season as I put my family first and that in my opinion is how it should be. I always make sure though my tickets are used and my seats taken.


Now Ive always believed we needed a bigger stadium and have argued many times in defence of that. But the last 2 seasons in my opinion have started to make me think.

Going up from the Championship, we struggled to get over 23,000 a game, in our best season for 50 years.

But then this season we have had about 6-8 sell out home games of 27,500 plus

Do we really need a bigger one?
Do we need these 5,000 extra seats?
How will it look if we are relegated?


Opinions please

You certainly don't need 5000 extra seats if you go down. That much is clear. It will be more of a hinderance than anything as it will distort the atmosphere even if you are in full voice.

If you stay up then I'm sure you would sell close to the extra 5,000 for the big games.

For me, I would have thought stabilisation in the league should have been achieved before the expansion was looked at.

You certainly don't need 5000 extra seats if you go down. That much is clear. It will be more of a hinderance than anything as it will distort the atmosphere even if you are in full voice.

If you stay up then I'm sure you would sell close to the extra 5,000 for the big games.

For me, I would have thought stabilisation in the league should have been achieved before the expansion was looked at.

I agree on both accounts.

The prob is Tan actually believed we would be Top 10 this season and Champions League position next season

Thats partly why he turned on Malky Mackay.

You certainly don't need 5000 extra seats if you go down. That much is clear. It will be more of a hinderance than anything as it will distort the atmosphere even if you are in full voice.

If you stay up then I'm sure you would sell close to the extra 5,000 for the big games.

For me, I would have thought stabilisation in the league should have been achieved before the expansion was looked at.

Well their already being built so bit of a pointless discussion really.

You certainly don't need 5000 extra seats if you go down. That much is clear. It will be more of a hinderance than anything as it will distort the atmosphere even if you are in full voice.

If you stay up then I'm sure you would sell close to the extra 5,000 for the big games.

For me, I would have thought stabilisation in the league should have been achieved before the expansion was looked at.

I agree on both accounts.

The prob is Tan actually believed we would be Top 10 this season and Champions League position next season

Thats partly why he turned on Malky Mackay.

That much is very clear to me.

Thats Tans main issue. He is surrounded with "yes men" and nobody had the balls to tell him that a rebrand and £50m is a drop in the ocean in football. I think he has now realised.

Will he now put in the hundreds of millions of pounds required to ACTUALLY achieve that? Not a chance if you ask me. What he wants to achieve (major global name) cannot be gained by Prem status alone.

As you say Malky was also a victim of this delusion.

You certainly don't need 5000 extra seats if you go down. That much is clear. It will be more of a hinderance than anything as it will distort the atmosphere even if you are in full voice.

If you stay up then I'm sure you would sell close to the extra 5,000 for the big games.

For me, I would have thought stabilisation in the league should have been achieved before the expansion was looked at.

I agree on both accounts.

The prob is Tan actually believed we would be Top 10 this season and Champions League position next season

Thats partly why he turned on Malky Mackay.

That much is very clear to me.

Thats Tans main issue. He is surrounded with "yes men" and nobody had the balls to tell him that a rebrand and £50m is a drop in the ocean in football. I think he has now realised.

Will he now put in the hundreds of millions of pounds required to ACTUALLY achieve that? Not a chance if you ask me. What he wants to achieve (major global name) cannot be gained by Prem status alone.

As you say Malky was also a victim of this delusion.

hahaha hwo did you manage to sneak back on here?

We can and will fill the stadium once it is increased .

I think the main problem is cost . It's so expensive to go on your own for most people every game let alone kids as well .
Take into consideration the strange kickoff times in the premier league it is hard to organise your schedule with kids , family , work and other commitments to be able to attend all games . This isn't just our problem but the same for every club . Tuesday and Wednesday nights , Saturday early and late kick offs , random Sundays , most games on foreign tv .

As for the atmosphere , you may find an extra tier will help the acoustics of the ninian and will keep the noise in rather than straight out of the roof , full or not .

Another thing that needs looking at is the time our parks football kicks off . I know a lot of guys who want go how to the games but choose to play instead but would go straight after if they had earlier kick offs .

Maybe this notion that Cardiff is a sleeping giant is just a fantasy. Cardiff are pulling exceptionally good crowds considering it's recent history but the idea we'd explode and be huge just by getting to the Premiership was always a bit laughable. Liverpool, Man U etc got where they are through decades of success not just being good in the Championship for one season.

Sure we have a good area around the city to draw fans from but the club has never utilised this very well and only has started too in the past 16months or so. You can't expect people to just change allegiance in their droves like that. That's before you add in that Cardiff are in the media negatively every 6-8,on this or so. Vincent Tan being the chief amongst that for the past few years then Ridsdale before that.

Hull got 23,000 last night,you don't see them moaning about it. A team that's seldom been in the top flight for decades in what is perceived as a Rugby area with an idiot owner. But also doing a lot better than us.

Our first season in the premier league,has answered a thousand questions we all wanted to know whilst playing in the championship and lower,1-are we a big club
2-would we sell out every game
3-would we be good enough
4-would our players be good enough
5-would we avoid relegation
6-do we need a bigger stadium
7-would the ccs be rocking every game
Sadly though everyone can be answered with a no,and before promotion I would have answered everyone with a yes

I'll be honest, I wasn't going to go last night, but then I managed to pick up a spare for my son, so I went so he could see at least one premier league game. I wasn't going for a few reasons--
1. I don't like night games, mainly because of the traffic.
2. It was pissing down.
3. I was knackered from work.
4. It was on the telly.
5.I'm a bit skint at the moment, so although I'm a season ticket holder, at least a tenner petrol plus a bit of grub was something I could have done without paying.

Having said all that, when I don't go, I usually give my ticket to one of my mates, so my seat is normally not wasted. As for the extra seats, hopefully it'll make life easier for fans who just want to turn up on the day, I'm thinking of local football/rugby players who's games are cancelled on Sat's, and fancy watching us. At the moment, none of them are bothering, because they can't get in.

Everywhere looked full apart from the family stand ,the club really need to sort that out as I know loads of family's that would go in there but they are told its sold out every game

If we are relegated we will see crowds similar to the First season in the championship at Ninian Park with a hardcore of about 16k with a extra 2k or so for comps, school freebies etc to fill up the stadium and reap extra revenue for kiosks. It will be Elland road but worse.

I wasn't there because I can only make it to weekend games.

A Crowd of 27,597 was announced for City's nil nil draw with one of the bigger clubs from the Premier League Aston Villa, who brought over 2,000 fans with them. Its our first ever season in the Premier League.

Sounds quite a good crowd in my opinion,Live on TV and a wet/cold dreary Tuesday night.

But and I mean but, I have been told there were nearly 4,000 empty seats last night and yes it did look empty in many places.

Not go to say I go to every game anymore as I dont, I miss about 4 home games and 4 aways every season as I put my family first and that in my opinion is how it should be. I always make sure though my tickets are used and my seats taken.


Now Ive always believed we needed a bigger stadium and have argued many times in defence of that. But the last 2 seasons in my opinion have started to make me think.

Going up from the Championship, we struggled to get over 23,000 a game, in our best season for 50 years.

But then this season we have had about 6-8 sell out home games of 27,500 plus

Do we really need a bigger one?
Do we need these 5,000 extra seats?
How will it look if we are relegated?


Opinions please

I dont think there were 4k empty seats.....for that to be correct one in 7 seats would have to be empty. There wasn't one in 7 missing.

If we stay up then we do need more seats and we have a bit of success. This was factored in the european game too. A major boost for Cardiff.

If we go down of course our attendances will be affected. I would think we will get around 15-17k.

To be honest most fans love negativity...I think its a welsh thing "the glass is half empty" mentality.

I come here and read often....people wallow in being miserable. Fans calling other fans "plastic" yet they want more to come!

I really do think some fans want us to go down.....just to see Tan out. I know what I will do if we go down the same road as Portsmouth. I'll walk away from football. I put up with some shit following the City in the 70's 80's and 90's and Im not going to put up with it again.

A Crowd of 27,597 was announced for City's nil nil draw with one of the bigger clubs from the Premier League Aston Villa, who brought over 2,000 fans with them. Its our first ever season in the Premier League.

Sounds quite a good crowd in my opinion,Live on TV and a wet/cold dreary Tuesday night.

But and I mean but, I have been told there were nearly 4,000 empty seats last night and yes it did look empty in many places.

Not go to say I go to every game anymore as I dont, I miss about 4 home games and 4 aways every season as I put my family first and that in my opinion is how it should be. I always make sure though my tickets are used and my seats taken.


Now Ive always believed we needed a bigger stadium and have argued many times in defence of that. But the last 2 seasons in my opinion have started to make me think.

Going up from the Championship, we struggled to get over 23,000 a game, in our best season for 50 years.

But then this season we have had about 6-8 sell out home games of 27,500 plus

Do we really need a bigger one?
Do we need these 5,000 extra seats?
How will it look if we are relegated?


Opinions please

I dont think there were 4k empty seats.....for that to be correct one in 7 seats would have to be empty. There wasn't one in 7 missing.

If we stay up then we do need more seats and we have a bit of success. This was factored in the european game too. A major boost for Cardiff.

If we go down of course our attendances will be affected. I would think we will get around 15-17k.

To be honest most fans love negativity...I think its a welsh thing "the glass is half empty" mentality.

I come here and read often....people wallow in being miserable. Fans calling other fans "plastic" yet they want more to come!

I really do think some fans want us to go down.....just to see Tan out. I know what I will do if we go down the same road as Portsmouth. I'll walk away from football. I put up with some shit following the City in the 70's 80's and 90's and Im not going to put up with it again.

Good post the way you put it, there was no way 1 in 7 seats empty throughout the stadium.
A lot missing in the family stand but I guess if you have a family, a stinking wet, cold school night could be a no go for many.

A Crowd of 27,597 was announced for City's nil nil draw with one of the bigger clubs from the Premier League Aston Villa, who brought over 2,000 fans with them. Its our first ever season in the Premier League.

Sounds quite a good crowd in my opinion,Live on TV and a wet/cold dreary Tuesday night.

But and I mean but, I have been told there were nearly 4,000 empty seats last night and yes it did look empty in many places.

Not go to say I go to every game anymore as I dont, I miss about 4 home games and 4 aways every season as I put my family first and that in my opinion is how it should be. I always make sure though my tickets are used and my seats taken.


Now Ive always believed we needed a bigger stadium and have argued many times in defence of that. But the last 2 seasons in my opinion have started to make me think.

Going up from the Championship, we struggled to get over 23,000 a game, in our best season for 50 years.

But then this season we have had about 6-8 sell out home games of 27,500 plus

Do we really need a bigger one?
Do we need these 5,000 extra seats?
How will it look if we are relegated?


Opinions please

It didn't look that empty in the ground apart from the section in the Ninian right next to the away fans, which was quite patchy and the family stand, which had a lot of scattered empty seats. I always look to the top corners of the Grandstand as a good indicator and they were pretty much full

Now, lets get it straight, we would not be expanding had it not been for the fact that we have the European Supercup final, scheduled. That was seen as too good an opportunity to pass up. I suspect, that a large part of the funding is coming from the staging of that final.

Family stand all ways looks no better than a third full
but then the season tickets are so cheap thats why its surposidly always sold out

Family stand looked about a quarter empty again. Bob bank looked as good as full as did the grandstand.
Canton felt full.

Dont think we need another tier really.

Family stand all ways looks no better than a third full
but then the season tickets are so cheap thats why its surposidly always sold out

A third full, you need to sort your eyes out !

If no one turned up for a match would they still announce a 23,000 attendance or whatever our season tickets are ?

The fact 2000 didnt turn up doesnt really effect the fact we will have an extra 5000 seats as they were still sold seats.

I thought it looked quite full other than the family stand which is understandable on a night game (although its never full on a sat either).

We certainly dont need an extra 5000 seats in the championship but if we stay up they will be sold no doubt about it.

I'm a season ticket holder but didn't attend as I had to play a gig. So that's 1 empty seat with an explanation.

The fact 2000 didnt turn up doesnt really effect the fact we will have an extra 5000 seats as they were still sold seats.

I thought it looked quite full other than the family stand which is understandable on a night game (although its never full on a sat either).

We certainly dont need an extra 5000 seats in the championship but if we stay up they will be sold no doubt about it.

So many people miss the point. If we stay up then the majority of those extra seats will be sold as season tickets- and they will go.

if we go down they won't but who cares, the ground is ready for when we DO go back up asgain.

I don't go with the theories over atmosphere, when the ground is as it is now the people who want to sing are spread out. If there is 16000 in a 33000 stadium then it will be easier for the noisier fans to move around and get a block together. We used to make some decent noise in a 40000 stadium with 3000 in there. It might just need people to use their heads a bit more.

If we are winning and playing well we will make noise. If it's boring or we are on the back foot we won't - never been any different, here or anywhere else come to that.

I also think a lot of people maybe dont know how to get a match day ticket, if they have never been before.

I still think if we had a few seasons in the Prem doing ok we could easily fill the extended stadium

I also think a lot of people maybe dont know how to get a match day ticket, if they have never been before.

This 100%, as I've asked on here previously , and no one really knew. How do you do it if you're not on the database ?

I also think a lot of people maybe dont know how to get a match day ticket, if they have never been before.

This 100%, as I've asked on here previously , and no one really knew. How do you do it if you're not on the database ?

And then they wont take a chance just turning up. Years ago it was a lot easier, now I dont know how you get one

A Crowd of 27,597 was announced for City's nil nil draw with one of the bigger clubs from the Premier League Aston Villa, who brought over 2,000 fans with them. Its our first ever season in the Premier League.

Sounds quite a good crowd in my opinion,Live on TV and a wet/cold dreary Tuesday night.

But and I mean but, I have been told there were nearly 4,000 empty seats last night and yes it did look empty in many places.

Not go to say I go to every game anymore as I dont, I miss about 4 home games and 4 aways every season as I put my family first and that in my opinion is how it should be. I always make sure though my tickets are used and my seats taken.


Now Ive always believed we needed a bigger stadium and have argued many times in defence of that. But the last 2 seasons in my opinion have started to make me think.

Going up from the Championship, we struggled to get over 23,000 a game, in our best season for 50 years.

But then this season we have had about 6-8 sell out home games of 27,500 plus

Do we really need a bigger one?
Do we need these 5,000 extra seats?
How will it look if we are relegated?


Opinions please

Just had a look at the average attendances...

27500 for us - considering the ground didn't even hold 27500 for the first few games of the season that's pretty good for a team who have only won a handful of games and are struggling.

We've either sold out or been a small amount short of every game except West Brom, where 3-500 tickets for the away section went on sale just prior to the game. Even selling large numbers of the away section when they haven't been able to sell all their allocations..


Its all about season tickets.

If the stadium could have held another 5000 we would have been able to see how many more we could sell, we could have had another 4000 seaosn tickets to sell another 500 for the away section and another 500 to sell prior to the game. I reckon we still would have sold out the 'big 7' and given the majority of the tickets would go to season ticket holders then the extra 500-1000 on sale would have gone for most games - taking our average up from 27500 to 32000.

Pity we didn't have the extra space in August

As for empty spaces, seats not taken up, its nothing new and not unique for us - Arsenal was sold out aaway and there were thousands and thousands of empty seats there, look at this about Man utd... we shouldn't worry as if its just us- because it isn't.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 0604,d.ZGU

Arsenal -10000 down v West Brom, and I reckon it was similar against us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... -Sale.html

Block 103 was pretty full. All the regulars were there. Also the new seats in the corner below us seemed full. The official attendance was 27 k. With respect, Annis, it didn't look like there were four thousand empty seats. It was a good game, and the atmosphere was ok. Ebbed and flowed with the game, plus at times we raised the tempo a bit. Villa were good, too.

A Crowd of 27,597 was announced for City's nil nil draw with one of the bigger clubs from the Premier League Aston Villa, who brought over 2,000 fans with them. Its our first ever season in the Premier League.

Sounds quite a good crowd in my opinion,Live on TV and a wet/cold dreary Tuesday night.

But and I mean but, I have been told there were nearly 4,000 empty seats last night and yes it did look empty in many places.

Not go to say I go to every game anymore as I dont, I miss about 4 home games and 4 aways every season as I put my family first and that in my opinion is how it should be. I always make sure though my tickets are used and my seats taken.


Now Ive always believed we needed a bigger stadium and have argued many times in defence of that. But the last 2 seasons in my opinion have started to make me think.

Going up from the Championship, we struggled to get over 23,000 a game, in our best season for 50 years.

But then this season we have had about 6-8 sell out home games of 27,500 plus

Do we really need a bigger one?
Do we need these 5,000 extra seats?
How will it look if we are relegated?


Opinions please

Just by looking around the stadium no way was there 4000 spare seats