Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:15 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:25 am
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:26 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:34 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:36 am
Kenfig Blue wrote:You must of been watching a completely different game to me, bcoz all I seen was him clearing defensive headers and getting in the box at every opportunity. For a player who hasn't had much game time I'd say his work rate was good.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:38 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:38 am
wez1927 wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:You must of been watching a completely different game to me, bcoz all I seen was him clearing defensive headers and getting in the box at every opportunity. For a player who hasn't had much game time I'd say his work rate was good.
We looked much better with him and Campbell both on the.pitch
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:38 am
wez1927 wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.
He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon
Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:42 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:39 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:48 am
Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:05 pm
Protex Blue wrote:Sorry but I have to agree with the OP, who clearly does understand the role of a target man. There were occasions when he just seemed to give up when he lost the ball and I dont think its too much to expect your biggest strongest forward to be busting a gut to get into the box when a player with the obvious desire and skill of Noone is getting to the line and supplying top quality crosses. We are moving ever closer to a desperate situation and I dont think its too much to ask for 100% effort from all our players, lets just pray its an issue of match fitness because our options are virtually non existent.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:13 pm
Pontyclun Blue wrote:I think it is match fitness after 70-75 mins he was running on empty, he has hardly played this season
Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:14 pm
Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:27 pm
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:28 pm
Pontyclun Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.
He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon
Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:33 pm
A block wrote:Pontyclun Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.
He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon
Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already
Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:36 pm
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:39 pm
A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:40 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Pontyclun Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.
He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon
Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already
Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.
Attack breaks down? He's usually in the box waiting for the crosses, you must of watched a different game to me as he rarely lost the ball, once maybe.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:44 pm
A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Pontyclun Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.
He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon
Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already
Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.
Attack breaks down? He's usually in the box waiting for the crosses, you must of watched a different game to me as he rarely lost the ball, once maybe.
From the top of my head I can recall him recieving the ball in the are in the second half where he could have played a through ball to create a scoring chance. He tried to do some stupid back heel which he is incapable of doing and lost the ball.
Kenwyne Jones has never been a quality footballer and never will. He reminds me of a muscular Leo Fortune West.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:44 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:46 pm
A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...
Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:51 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...
Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.
That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks
Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:59 pm
A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...
Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.
That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks
Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.
This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.
Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:07 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...
Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.
That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks
Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.
This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.
Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.
And like I said when you have the best players in the world pressing high against you like villa did in the 2nd half, sometimes it is difficult to play the ball through the midfield. I have coached at under13's and under14's but they haven't got players like rooney, yaya toure, gerrard hunting them down
Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:13 pm
A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...
Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.
That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks
Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.
This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.
Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.
And like I said when you have the best players in the world pressing high against you like villa did in the 2nd half, sometimes it is difficult to play the ball through the midfield. I have coached at under13's and under14's but they haven't got players like rooney, yaya toure, gerrard hunting them down
And neither did we last night against Aston Villa. Every player in our squad should be comfortable with the ball at their feet and if they are not they are not good enough to be Premier League footballers.
Pass and move. If you pass and move their will always be passing options and you can make it easy for your team mates. The ball doesnt have to be played through the middle, you can play the ball out wide or wherever you want it. Just keep the end delivery low and hard where Campbell is more effective rather than looking for his head.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:29 pm
CraigCCFC wrote:He is a target man, he has campbell to do his running, his job is to preoccupy the centre backs and win any balls in the air....he cant do that if he's chasing everything to the touchline and back. Is it any wonder teams always moan about a target man being lazy? its because they dont understand the role properly.
Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:20 pm
Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:54 pm
A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:A block wrote:Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you
This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?
Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.
Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...
Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.
That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks
Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.
This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.
Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.