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Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:15 am

After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.

Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.

Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:25 am

Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:26 am




:ayatollah:

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:34 am

You must of been watching a completely different game to me, bcoz all I seen was him clearing defensive headers and getting in the box at every opportunity. For a player who hasn't had much game time I'd say his work rate was good.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:36 am

Kenfig Blue wrote:You must of been watching a completely different game to me, bcoz all I seen was him clearing defensive headers and getting in the box at every opportunity. For a player who hasn't had much game time I'd say his work rate was good.

We looked much better with him and Campbell both on the.pitch

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:38 am

He is a target man, he has campbell to do his running, his job is to preoccupy the centre backs and win any balls in the air....he cant do that if he's chasing everything to the touchline and back. Is it any wonder teams always moan about a target man being lazy? its because they dont understand the role properly.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:38 am

wez1927 wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:You must of been watching a completely different game to me, bcoz all I seen was him clearing defensive headers and getting in the box at every opportunity. For a player who hasn't had much game time I'd say his work rate was good.

We looked much better with him and Campbell both on the.pitch


Agree, whereas I don't think their good enough to keep us in the prem, they will tear the champ a new arsehole along with guerra :ayatollah:

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:38 am

wez1927 wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon


Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already :roll:

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:42 am

If we go down a full pre season out of Kenwyne with plenty of game time and he will rip up the champ, he is a goal scorer always has been and the best target man we've had. He is still at a decent age as well.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:39 am

I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:48 am

Sorry but I have to agree with the OP, who clearly does understand the role of a target man. There were occasions when he just seemed to give up when he lost the ball and I dont think its too much to expect your biggest strongest forward to be busting a gut to get into the box when a player with the obvious desire and skill of Noone is getting to the line and supplying top quality crosses. We are moving ever closer to a desperate situation and I dont think its too much to ask for 100% effort from all our players, lets just pray its an issue of match fitness because our options are virtually non existent.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:05 pm

Protex Blue wrote:Sorry but I have to agree with the OP, who clearly does understand the role of a target man. There were occasions when he just seemed to give up when he lost the ball and I dont think its too much to expect your biggest strongest forward to be busting a gut to get into the box when a player with the obvious desire and skill of Noone is getting to the line and supplying top quality crosses. We are moving ever closer to a desperate situation and I dont think its too much to ask for 100% effort from all our players, lets just pray its an issue of match fitness because our options are virtually non existent.


I think it is match fitness after 70-75 mins he was running on empty, he has hardly played this season

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:13 pm

Pontyclun Blue wrote:I think it is match fitness after 70-75 mins he was running on empty, he has hardly played this season




he was hardly running.... walking on empty perhaps.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:14 pm

He hadn't started a game all season until he joined us, and hadn't even played in the prem since November I think so needs a few games before we start ripping into him????

Also did you see him breaking his neck to get back to defend corners? Villa tried to take quick corners so he wasn't there to defend it was obviously a plan as was him to sprint back each time.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:27 pm

He is a big unit and probably 80% match fit..... Campbell is all action but can't win things in the air, horses for courses.

Was you around for the Chris pike era, then you'd have something to moan about.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:28 pm

Pontyclun Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon


Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already :roll:


Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:33 pm

A block wrote:
Pontyclun Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon


Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already :roll:


Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.


Attack breaks down? He's usually in the box waiting for the crosses, you must of watched a different game to me as he rarely lost the ball, once maybe.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:36 pm

Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:39 pm

A block wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:40 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Pontyclun Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon


Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already :roll:


Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.


Attack breaks down? He's usually in the box waiting for the crosses, you must of watched a different game to me as he rarely lost the ball, once maybe.


From the top of my head I can recall him recieving the ball in the are in the second half where he could have played a through ball to create a scoring chance. He tried to do some stupid back heel which he is incapable of doing and lost the ball.

Kenwyne Jones has never been a quality footballer and never will. He reminds me of a muscular Leo Fortune West.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:44 pm

A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Pontyclun Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:After the Norwich game I have to say I was pretty impressed with Kenwyne, grabbing the goal and essentially playing as a 3rd Centre Back in the last 5-10 minutes. But the Swansea and Villa game has proved why the Stoke fans were happy to see him go.
He is one of the laziest players we've had in a long time. Looks to always be a few seconds behind every play, doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as others, doesn't attempt to win the ball back when tackled, doesn't penetrate the box when Nooney has the ball (if he's been told not to then what's the point in having him here?). In fairness he won quite a few knock on's...but then so did Rudy.
Find it very worrying that we have no other out & out striker to bring on as a replacement for him, Berget and Bellamy being the only 2 with striking experience is not good enough.
Why not give Healy a half? He's scoring goals for fun! We've got nothing else to lose at the moment!
Not buying a proven striker in January could be the reason we go down.
Very very disappointed.

He won loads head flick ons today ,he's not going to run around like a headless chicken also he should of had a penalty in the first half was he really that bad ?,think most fans are expecting too much from him ,much prefer him to Rudy ,peter,Maynard or acon


Wez some fans expect way to much or they just don't have a clue, he isn't fully match fit yet and they are on his case already :roll:


Dont have a clue? Any player who loses the ball more times than he keeps it is shit. When the ball is given to Jones' feet in an attack, the attack breaks down.


Attack breaks down? He's usually in the box waiting for the crosses, you must of watched a different game to me as he rarely lost the ball, once maybe.


From the top of my head I can recall him recieving the ball in the are in the second half where he could have played a through ball to create a scoring chance. He tried to do some stupid back heel which he is incapable of doing and lost the ball.

Kenwyne Jones has never been a quality footballer and never will. He reminds me of a muscular Leo Fortune West.


I think I remember that when he should of put the ball through, but at the end of the day he's only played a couple of games, they need time to gel and suss each others movements out.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:44 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:46 pm

A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.


That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks :?

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:51 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.


That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks :?


Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.

This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.

Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:59 pm

A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.


That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks :?


Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.

This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.

Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.


And like I said when you have the best players in the world pressing high against you like villa did in the 2nd half, sometimes it is difficult to play the ball through the midfield. I have coached at under13's and under14's but they haven't got players like rooney, yaya toure, gerrard hunting them down :lol:

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:07 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.


That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks :?


Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.

This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.

Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.


And like I said when you have the best players in the world pressing high against you like villa did in the 2nd half, sometimes it is difficult to play the ball through the midfield. I have coached at under13's and under14's but they haven't got players like rooney, yaya toure, gerrard hunting them down :lol:


And neither did we last night against Aston Villa. Every player in our squad should be comfortable with the ball at their feet and if they are not they are not good enough to be Premier League footballers.

Pass and move. If you pass and move their will always be passing options and you can make it easy for your team mates. The ball doesnt have to be played through the middle, you can play the ball out wide or wherever you want it. Just keep the end delivery low and hard where Campbell is more effective rather than looking for his head.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:13 pm

A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
A block wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
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Kenfig Blue wrote:
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Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.


That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks :?


Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.

This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.

Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.


And like I said when you have the best players in the world pressing high against you like villa did in the 2nd half, sometimes it is difficult to play the ball through the midfield. I have coached at under13's and under14's but they haven't got players like rooney, yaya toure, gerrard hunting them down :lol:


And neither did we last night against Aston Villa. Every player in our squad should be comfortable with the ball at their feet and if they are not they are not good enough to be Premier League footballers.

Pass and move. If you pass and move their will always be passing options and you can make it easy for your team mates. The ball doesnt have to be played through the middle, you can play the ball out wide or wherever you want it. Just keep the end delivery low and hard where Campbell is more effective rather than looking for his head.


Well we are in the bottom 3 so that says we are not good enough for the premier league. Malky fukt up in the summer not signing enough prem quality players, which is the reason we are going down as we still have a team full of championship players.

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:29 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:He is a target man, he has campbell to do his running, his job is to preoccupy the centre backs and win any balls in the air....he cant do that if he's chasing everything to the touchline and back. Is it any wonder teams always moan about a target man being lazy? its because they dont understand the role properly.

i thought campbell stopped running last night,didnt link up at all with kenwyne.. :ayatollah:

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:20 pm

Absolutely spot on bob knew yen is not fit enough to be the halftime water boy couldn't agree more terrible signing get him off the payroll

Re: Kenwyne Jones showing his true colours?

Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:54 pm

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Kenfig Blue wrote:
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Kenfig Blue wrote:
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Bob Bank Bluebird wrote:I perfectly understand the role of a CF, the fact is his general game play doesn't seem to be up to scratch. Yes you can blame match fitness etc but you can tell by his movement that when the ball is played to him anywhere apart from his head he struggles to see what he can do with it next. Plenty of times last night there were opportunities for a quick 1-2 out wide ect and he just didn't seem up to the level. I think you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about, it just might take a few more games for some of you :lol:


This is exactly. Apparently we dont have a clue though! People always say that Campbell cant play the ball in the air. Then the simple thing to do is keep the ball on the floor. Is it that hard to believe that a squad of Premier League footballers are incapable of passing the ball on the floor?


Against quality teams who know how to defend while pressing high up the pitch, yes it probably is quite difficult for a team of average players.


Swansea City managed to get a team of League 2 players to pass the ball on the floor which got them to where they are now...

Youre living in the dark ages if you think we need a striker who is dominant in the air.


That's swansea style, not ours it takes years to develop not 2/3 weeks :?


Im not suggesting we play sidewards football. Im suggesting we take off Kenwyne Jones and instead of playing high long balls or high crosses, play the ball to feet and low crosses.

This doesnt take months to develop as all players should have the knowledge and capability as Premier League footballers to play this way.

Ive worked with under 10's and under 12's team previously who have all been capable of learning to play simple football to feet after a couple of training sessions.


I agree with what your saying but for some reason there aren't many sides that play technical football, when I'm watchingn us and a winger is about to smash a cross in in absolutely screaming for a forward or any player to go front post and no one ever does I watch a lot of football and you can probably count the amount of teams that play this way on two hands across a lot of leagues! When I was brought up and learnt the game when every kid wanted to be a striker lol we were always told one forward makes a run for near post cos that's where any quality winger who gets his head up will put the ball because A) it's difficult for defenders and keepers to defend and any flick can get own goals and any striker touch could result in a simple tap in B) if you make an early run front post you take defenders away and open up space for the winger to put a cross back post or in behind your run for a midfielder to run onto

It's basic football lessons and I never understand why it's a rarity today

I remember a very experienced player of ours who joined us to finish career running front post every time a winger got to the byline and EVERYTIME our players whipped it in either over his head or behind in with no one in the box he'd be livid

His name was jimmy Floyd hasslebaink! Was virtually past it when he joined us but what a player he was I remembering watching him tap goals in for Chelsea for fun at the front post with quality low crossed provided for him
Only once I seen us put a low hard ball in front post for him and he tapped it in with ease and out his hands up and clapped said to say finally what I've been waiting for lol

Other than that we put 7 foot crosses in for a 4 FT midget