MY STREAM OF THOUGHT AT THIS PRESENT TIME
Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:30 pm
Apologies for this long stream of thought, it was only meant as a couple of lines response,within another thread, I have moved it here as it may engage with how other supporters feel about our club and the game in general. Some may enjoy reading and agree/disagree, others won't be bothered as, granted it's quite long!
For the majority of Cardiff supporters, we could see that the unhealthy relationship between Tan & Malky could not be allowed to carry on, thats why, I believe the majority wanted a change in manager. I, like many others were bored with the football under Malky and I really did think that given money to spend he would have added more of an attacking type player to the squad, for the upcoming Premiership. I really did believe that Malky had built a team with the right credentials to get us out of the super competitive Championship. I then, believed that he would re-build that team, with more flair and take it to teams in the Premiership. However, I do believe that Malky is a one trick pony, he's good at it, but still he is limited as a tactical manager.
Agreed that you have to defend your hearts out against the Man City's etc of this world, but all the bottom half teams are not much better than the top of the championship, so they would be there for the taking, under Malky that wasn't happening, we were totally defensive even against those teams (Stoke, Palace, WBA, Newcastle who were piss poor at the time we played them, Hull, I even believe that he was happy to take a draw at dreadful Fulham) I have no doubt that we would have been relegated under Malky, all, but showing fighta and grit, but still relegated. It is of course easy to blame Tan for interfering, but in all honesty, in the Championship last year when things were apparently good between the two, then many of us still had doubts, as we struggled to draw let alone beat mediocre teams, so Tans interference should not have been a factor. How we actually won that league by so many points, I, and I suspect supporters of most of the other clubs we played, will never know.
What, of course, results like yesterday's do is highlight the dis-enchantment that many supporters have with what's gone on with our club, namely, the pathetic and needless re-brand, which has driven a wedge between the club and it's fans and even fans against fans. The passion has been sucked out of the support, in all fairness, it has been drained since Sam Hammam left and has got progressively worse, through the Ridsdale, PMG years culminating with the devastating intoduction of the re- brand. If you speak to most City supporters now, especially those that started following City in the 80's, they are mostly confused and somewhat disillusioned, in what club and why they are actually supporting it these days! They have no reference point in terms of identification with the teams colour and badge, the football product as a whole is just a vastly overpriced past time, which I suspect they get very little enjoyment from, on its own. Without that feeling that we all once had, that, what ever happens we are all part if the same tribe and supporting everything that that tribe stands for, then the football experience becomes just another past time. I mean, we are now in a position that we can never sing or chant meaningful songs about our teams present colours or badge that the team are playing in, out on the pitch-how pathetic is that
Then we start questioning why our supporters are so quite
I also think it's part of a wider and more general dis-enchantment with football as a whole. The game consisits of vastly over paid players and now even managers, foreign owners with pots of cash but no respect for football culture and identity, corrupt governing bodies like FIFA, all seater stadia, football supporters being treated worse than terrorists, yes really.
On a personal level it offers a dichotomy, I have this deep love and loyalty to Cardiff City, yet I know that logically, everything stinks at the top of the club. I was sitting in the 3 Kings, London, yesterday watching the game and as you do got chatting with various supporters, Leeds fan, Spurs fan, Chelsea fan about the game, as we were getting turned over by our bitter rivals. I literally couldn't really be arsed, as with any conversation concerning Cardiff these days, it drifts towards the rebrand and it's total non-sensical nature and how passionate City supporters once were, how they sold out etc etc, it doesn't have to be an accurate assessment of the situation, but the fact remains that it has affected our loyalty and therefore that passion for the club, when that is lost, then following a club becomes just like any other leisure pursuit i.e you do it when you really feel like it, have time for it or can afford it. That particular, London pub used to be attended by up to 60 City supporters for such a game, all passionate about their club, there was maybe 5 there yesterday, who were outnumbered 5 to1 by Jacks or at least, people from Wales who prefered Swansea. Us, City supporters, were pretty low key, even before the goals went in. The Jacks were making themselves heard. I think that the scenario, provided a good indication of what has happened at both clubs, their support has grown far more passionate and proud of their club, ours has been destroyed.
The dichotomy of course comes from what happened last week against Norwich, I felt as much tension, nerves and unbelievable relief and elation that I ever have done! When we got that win and the 3 points. That's really the point with us football supporters, for the vast majority, as long as the team is winning all the other stuff vanishes into the shadows. If we had beaten the Jacks yesterday, OGS would have been a legend today, first manager to do the double etc etc, we would all be saying how we will now survive and be looking to renew our STs on Monday, looking to spank Villa Tuesday. That, is one thing that will never ever change, the fickleness of football supporters and how dark or bright the world is, depending on how our team, wins or loses! The moment you lose that effect a result has on your mood, is the time to give up attending games and you merely become an acquaintance with football and the team they once supported.
For the majority of Cardiff supporters, we could see that the unhealthy relationship between Tan & Malky could not be allowed to carry on, thats why, I believe the majority wanted a change in manager. I, like many others were bored with the football under Malky and I really did think that given money to spend he would have added more of an attacking type player to the squad, for the upcoming Premiership. I really did believe that Malky had built a team with the right credentials to get us out of the super competitive Championship. I then, believed that he would re-build that team, with more flair and take it to teams in the Premiership. However, I do believe that Malky is a one trick pony, he's good at it, but still he is limited as a tactical manager.
Agreed that you have to defend your hearts out against the Man City's etc of this world, but all the bottom half teams are not much better than the top of the championship, so they would be there for the taking, under Malky that wasn't happening, we were totally defensive even against those teams (Stoke, Palace, WBA, Newcastle who were piss poor at the time we played them, Hull, I even believe that he was happy to take a draw at dreadful Fulham) I have no doubt that we would have been relegated under Malky, all, but showing fighta and grit, but still relegated. It is of course easy to blame Tan for interfering, but in all honesty, in the Championship last year when things were apparently good between the two, then many of us still had doubts, as we struggled to draw let alone beat mediocre teams, so Tans interference should not have been a factor. How we actually won that league by so many points, I, and I suspect supporters of most of the other clubs we played, will never know.
What, of course, results like yesterday's do is highlight the dis-enchantment that many supporters have with what's gone on with our club, namely, the pathetic and needless re-brand, which has driven a wedge between the club and it's fans and even fans against fans. The passion has been sucked out of the support, in all fairness, it has been drained since Sam Hammam left and has got progressively worse, through the Ridsdale, PMG years culminating with the devastating intoduction of the re- brand. If you speak to most City supporters now, especially those that started following City in the 80's, they are mostly confused and somewhat disillusioned, in what club and why they are actually supporting it these days! They have no reference point in terms of identification with the teams colour and badge, the football product as a whole is just a vastly overpriced past time, which I suspect they get very little enjoyment from, on its own. Without that feeling that we all once had, that, what ever happens we are all part if the same tribe and supporting everything that that tribe stands for, then the football experience becomes just another past time. I mean, we are now in a position that we can never sing or chant meaningful songs about our teams present colours or badge that the team are playing in, out on the pitch-how pathetic is that
Then we start questioning why our supporters are so quite I also think it's part of a wider and more general dis-enchantment with football as a whole. The game consisits of vastly over paid players and now even managers, foreign owners with pots of cash but no respect for football culture and identity, corrupt governing bodies like FIFA, all seater stadia, football supporters being treated worse than terrorists, yes really.
On a personal level it offers a dichotomy, I have this deep love and loyalty to Cardiff City, yet I know that logically, everything stinks at the top of the club. I was sitting in the 3 Kings, London, yesterday watching the game and as you do got chatting with various supporters, Leeds fan, Spurs fan, Chelsea fan about the game, as we were getting turned over by our bitter rivals. I literally couldn't really be arsed, as with any conversation concerning Cardiff these days, it drifts towards the rebrand and it's total non-sensical nature and how passionate City supporters once were, how they sold out etc etc, it doesn't have to be an accurate assessment of the situation, but the fact remains that it has affected our loyalty and therefore that passion for the club, when that is lost, then following a club becomes just like any other leisure pursuit i.e you do it when you really feel like it, have time for it or can afford it. That particular, London pub used to be attended by up to 60 City supporters for such a game, all passionate about their club, there was maybe 5 there yesterday, who were outnumbered 5 to1 by Jacks or at least, people from Wales who prefered Swansea. Us, City supporters, were pretty low key, even before the goals went in. The Jacks were making themselves heard. I think that the scenario, provided a good indication of what has happened at both clubs, their support has grown far more passionate and proud of their club, ours has been destroyed.
The dichotomy of course comes from what happened last week against Norwich, I felt as much tension, nerves and unbelievable relief and elation that I ever have done! When we got that win and the 3 points. That's really the point with us football supporters, for the vast majority, as long as the team is winning all the other stuff vanishes into the shadows. If we had beaten the Jacks yesterday, OGS would have been a legend today, first manager to do the double etc etc, we would all be saying how we will now survive and be looking to renew our STs on Monday, looking to spank Villa Tuesday. That, is one thing that will never ever change, the fickleness of football supporters and how dark or bright the world is, depending on how our team, wins or loses! The moment you lose that effect a result has on your mood, is the time to give up attending games and you merely become an acquaintance with football and the team they once supported.