You the fans are allso to blame.

You are expeting way to much.
At the start of the season many were talking of mm as one of the best young managers in the land, he had u playing a system that made u hard to beat (shit to watch) but getting u points.
You turned on him every lose ffs,
Then it was ogs and most on here went over the top with his signings (regects from other teams and players from a shit league) and all of a sudden u are quality and expecting so much.
But the best excuse I have herd to date is that we dont sing because tan has fucked u about? Its a derby ffs, I still cant get my head around how shit your support was for your team.
Thats the difference between us and u, we live in reality and stick by the team manager and board.
You opend your arms to tan done f**k all untill it was to late.
And when u did get media coverage on your plight and the backing from fans off all clubs, tan brings in ogs and he brings in some players then all is forgotten.
You need to stop blaming others and take a hard look at your selfs.

You are expeting way to much.
At the start of the season many were talking of mm as one of the best young managers in the land, he had u playing a system that made u hard to beat (shit to watch) but getting u points.
You turned on him every lose ffs,
Then it was ogs and most on here went over the top with his signings (regects from other teams and players from a shit league) and all of a sudden u are quality and expecting so much.
But the best excuse I have herd to date is that we dont sing because tan has fucked u about? Its a derby ffs, I still cant get my head around how shit your support was for your team.
Thats the difference between us and u, we live in reality and stick by the team manager and board.
You opend your arms to tan done f**k all untill it was to late.
And when u did get media coverage on your plight and the backing from fans off all clubs, tan brings in ogs and he brings in some players then all is forgotten.
You need to stop blaming others and take a hard look at your selfs.

Your spelling is shit but it does hurt me to agree with you.

We should of been happy with Malky and he should of been given this full season no matter what. City fans all said before the season started they would just be happy to stay up, they soon wanted more and like Tan some stabbed Malky in the back.

They can go on and on about Malky's spending, he deserved this full season at least and should of been left alone.

Our fans have had success to quick.

Another difference between us and you, we type using the English language using words found in books called dictionaries.
If you are going to give it large in your fleeting moment of triumph try to compose posts in a semi-literate manner. Appreciate your effort now run along and practise, there's a good chap.

Lol.
I know its shit and I get shit for it.
But if most cardiff fans are honest they will admit that us getting to the prem was the reason u are in such shit.
You were so desperate and pissed off we got there and u didnt'u took tan in with open arms.

sometimes a Director of Football position gets alot of stick in this country...It might of been good for Malky to of spoken with someone experienced about what type of player is needed 1st year. Steve Bruce absolutely wiped the floor with him in the knowhow stakes, And Pulis with OGS. I am critical of Malky & this is the place to do it, i.e on a forum. I never had a go at Malky's tactics like some do on here.

They were expecting too much and wanted us playing sexy football. Yesterday oozed sex appeal with OGS

Tan is the cancer that's killing this club !

Im not giving it large, if u cant take the truth ! Then I might suggest u run along and find a quiet place to cry in.
Annis your right? Mm did make crazy signings but did have u playing in a way that could have kept u up.
Not pretty but hey you can and must play to your strength.
Ogs was a massive gamble as he wants to play attacking football with a team that was not assembled to do so.
He has brought in players who aint played much in the prem in shit teams and players from a league that is only equivalent to our league 1 to champ at best.
But to many on here dont look at the small print and just see players comming in and ho over board.
Unless u go back to mm football u will go down, its to late to change the way u play and allso you only have a max of 4 players who could do so

We should of been happy with Malky and he should of been given this full season no matter what. City fans all said before the season started they would just be happy to stay up, they soon wanted more and like Tan some stabbed Malky in the back.

They can go on and on about Malky's spending, he deserved this full season at least and should of been left alone.

Our fans have had success to quick.

defo should have had a season.once tan had made it clear he didnt want him the stand off between the two had end.im surprised mm stuck around so long with the clown.good wages yes but dear me that bloke must be a mare to work for.all you can do is get behind ogs now.paul has said the truth in o/p.too many have smelt the prem and think ccfc should be competing at the top not bottom in there first season.thank god there are some realists on here who follow cardiff city.i know yr stance annis has always been stay up ,give mm the season and i think you mention about the blue a few times .not all lost yet.still time to recover and stay up.honest opinion i think the welsh derby adds to the prem.very anti septic now though but still,in my eyes a plus for the premier league.good luck and i hope you smash the villa

Im not giving it large, if u cant take the truth ! Then I might suggest u run along and find a quiet place to cry in.
Annis your right? Mm did make crazy signings but did have u playing in a way that could have kept u up.
Not pretty but hey you can and must play to your strength.
Ogs was a massive gamble as he wants to play attacking football with a team that was not assembled to do so.
He has brought in players who aint played much in the prem in shit teams and players from a league that is only equivalent to our league 1 to champ at best.
But to many on here dont look at the small print and just see players comming in and ho over board.
Unless u go back to mm football u will go down, its to late to change the way u play and allso you only have a max of 4 players who could do so

Under Malky we were hard to beat until Tan got on his back in Oct/Nov/Dec.
I will still keep my judgement on Ole for another few games as every manager deserves a chance, but its not looking good.
Your sadly right on a lot of what your saying in this thread.

Another difference between us and you, we type using the English language using words found in books called dictionaries.
If you are going to give it large in your fleeting moment of triumph try to compose posts in a semi-literate manner. Appreciate your effort now run along and practise, there's a good chap.

his spelling is unimportant .the point is though and he,s right.oh and he,s not giving it large in his moment of triumph he,s been giving it large since day one .crap spelling or not he is and always has been spot on regarding this.some of the away fans on here have been more anti tan/pro ccfc then the ccfc fans.chickens coming home to roost springs to mind att he moment

No its u the fan base who is killing your club.
Cant u see it?
The start of yhe season there was all joy and support when u beat city and no protests against tan.
You start to struggle then turn on mm, then tan starts the ball rolling then u turn on him,
But when u get support and all the pundits on your side! He sacks mm and brings in ogs and it all stops.
Were is all the tan out songs and boards gone?
If u want tan out then its tan out no matter what, but back to your fans why did u not sing? Why do u not support the players when they are playing your arch rivals? .
We have been shit all season and last night was the only time we played like we can but have stuck by and trusted out club.

You were obviously educated at the same school.
Five of Ole's first seven games have been away from home, he is trying to change the tempo of our play and our tactical approach to games. His philosophy is to be more attack minded than we were used to under Malky, that philosophy is easier to implement at home. His selection was poor yesterday, particularly the selection of Whittingham in midfield, however many on here supported that selection and felt he had been harshly treated against Norwich. They insisted it had been a tactical substitution rather than one instigated by a woeful performance. Yet again yesterday his thought processes were too slow and he failed to close down opposition players quick enough.
I believe that Ole tried to rest players prior to two important home games, it is these games that he is targeting to get the points we require to stand a chance of survival. I think it is a risky strategy, but time will tell.
Remember you have won two games at home recently, a poor run away from home will soon see you back hovering just above the relegation zone

Jtc im well use to the grammar and spelling jibs mate.
But lets face it? Its all they can say as like u say im right but there dislike for me prevents them agreeing.
There for its learn to spell and thick c**t lol.
But for someone with a shit education ! I can read them like iv been studying in Oxford.

But we know we have the players to play our way out of trouble.
U aint.

Jtc im well use to the grammar and spelling jibs mate.
But lets face it? Its all they can say as like u say im right but there dislike for me prevents them agreeing.
There for its learn to spell and thick c**t lol.
But for someone with a shit education ! I can read them like iv been studying in Oxford.

never mind the spelling .the point remains the same and you are right.we went to the same school apparently

You are expeting way to much.
At the start of the season many were talking of mm as one of the best young managers in the land, he had u playing a system that made u hard to beat (shit to watch) but getting u points.
You turned on him every lose ffs,
Then it was ogs and most on here went over the top with his signings (regects from other teams and players from a shit league) and all of a sudden u are quality and expecting so much.
But the best excuse I have herd to date is that we dont sing because tan has fucked u about? Its a derby ffs, I still cant get my head around how shit your support was for your team.
Thats the difference between us and u, we live in reality and stick by the team manager and board.
You opend your arms to tan done f**k all untill it was to late.
And when u did get media coverage on your plight and the backing from fans off all clubs, tan brings in ogs and he brings in some players then all is forgotten.
You need to stop blaming others and take a hard look at your selfs.

nail on the head fella

But we know we have the players to play our way out of trouble.
U aint.

i said on a thread last week most jacks wouldnt give a toss about m.l going.he,d lost interest .monk and curtis will want the jobs .defo monk.i think a bit more urgencey will be injected by monk in the final third.mid table for you lot.i think hew will think hard and long about a employing a foriegn manager who hasnt managed here before again.personally i think monk will get it.needs to finish his badge though first.going to be a busy summer for mr monk

We should of been happy with Malky and he should of been given this full season no matter what. City fans all said before the season started they would just be happy to stay up, they soon wanted more and like Tan some stabbed Malky in the back.

They can go on and on about Malky's spending, he deserved this full season at least and should of been left alone.

Our fans have had success to quick.

Totally agree with this. Malkys style was not great to watch but it was effective and got results .

Let's be honest , we didn't exactly play very attractive football to win the championship , in fact at times it was awful , but again it was effective and got the Job done and I didn't hear too many fans complaining then or saying he should be sacked before the start of the season.

In my opinion expectations of some were far too high, we had gained 17 points from 17 games , granted the football was not great but we were in a decent position, although it would seem this was not good enough for some , high expectations yet again!

I hear comments from some last week about Ledley and others , along the lines of , no thank you, not good enough for us, arrogance beyond belief ,as if all of a sudden we are some big time Charlie's because we are in the premier league, who the f**k do some think we are!

We are not Manchester United , we are a newly promoted premier league team and this season should have been all about consolidating our position in the premier league and building from there .

Expectations were far too high and now we are now paying the price !

Good post and a honest one.

Agree with the majority of your points here Paul. Not all of them, but the majority.

We should of been happy with Malky and he should of been given this full season no matter what. City fans all said before the season started they would just be happy to stay up, they soon wanted more and like Tan some stabbed Malky in the back.

They can go on and on about Malky's spending, he deserved this full season at least and should of been left alone.

Our fans have had success to quick.

Totally agree with this. Malkys style was not great to watch but it was effective and got results .

Let's be honest , we didn't exactly play very attractive football to win the championship , in fact at times it was awful , but again it was effective and got the Job done and I didn't hear too many fans complaining then or saying he should be sacked before the start of the season.

In my opinion expectations of some were far too high, we had gained 17 points from 17 games , granted the football was not great but we were in a decent position, although it would seem this was not good enough for some , high expectations yet again!

I hear comments from some last week about Ledley and others , along the lines of , no thank you, not good enough for us, arrogance beyond belief ,as if all of a sudden we are some big time Charlie's because we are in the premier league, who the f**k do some think we are!

We are not Manchester United , we are a newly promoted premier league team and this season should have been all about consolidating our position in the premier league and building from there .

Expectations were far too high and now we are now paying the price !

exceptional post mate.heard it at blues too.first time round it took us a few years to get players in who would be considered better.then we got relegated.on paper better yes but without the balls of a robbie savage to put a shift in.you need a certain type of player for this battle.

Agree with this Paul

Let's just see how you lot react when Monk messes it up, as he will.you put yourselves on some sort of platform as a model club , we'll you are not,you have done well but you still play in a council owned stadium and half of your fans would soon return to supporting the ospreys when times get hard, as they weIll for you.

sometimes a Director of Football position gets alot of stick in this country...It might of been good for Malky to of spoken with someone experienced about what type of player is needed 1st year. Steve Bruce absolutely wiped the floor with him in the knowhow stakes, And Pulis with OGS. I am critical of Malky & this is the place to do it, i.e on a forum. I never had a go at Malky's tactics like some do on here.

They were expecting too much and wanted us playing sexy football. Yesterday oozed sex appeal with OGS

If you work out what the OGS way of playing is then inform me because I'm not seeing it.

Apologies for this long stream of thought, it was only meant as a couple of lines response, but I got carried away, just typing some thoughts! some may enjoy reading and agree/ disagree others won't be bothered as it's too long!

For the majority of Cardiff supporters, we could see that the unhealthy relationship between Tan & Malky could not be allowed to carry on, thats why the majority wanted a change in manager. I, like many others were bored with the football under Malky and I really did think that given money to spend he would have added more of an attacking type of player to the squad for the upcoming Premiership.

Agreed that you have to defend your hearts out against the Man City's etc of this world, but all the bottom half teams are not much better than the top of the championship, so they would be there for the taking, under Malky that wasn't happening, we were totally defensive even against those teams. I have no doubt that we would have been relegated under Malky, all but showing fight, but still relegated. It is of course easy to blame Tan for interfering, but in all honesty, in the Championship last year when things were apparently good between the two, then many still had doubts, as we struggled to draw let alone beat mediocre teams, so Tans interference should not have been a factor. How we actually won that league by so many points, I and supporters of most other clubs we played will never know

What results like yesterday's do is highlight the dis- enchantment that many supporters have with what's gone on with our club, namely the pathetic and needless re-brand, which has driven a wedge between the club and it's fans and even fans against fans. The passion has been sucked out of the support, it has been drained since Sam Hammam left in all fairness and has got progressively worse, culminating with the re- brand. If you speak to most City supporters now, especially those that started following City in the 80's, they are mostly confused, in what and why they are actually supporting these days they have no identification with the teams colour and badge, the football product is a vastly overpriced past time, which I suspect they get very little enjoyment from on its own, without that feeling that we all once had, that what ever happens we are all part if the same tribe, supporting everything that that tribe stands for, that has all been lost with the re-brand.

I also think it's part of a wider and more general dis-enchantment with football as a whole. Vastly over paid players and now even managers, foreign owners with pots of cash but no respect for football culture and identity, corrupt governing bodies like FIFA, all seater stadia, football supporters being treated worse than terrorists, yes really,

On a personal level it offers a dichotomy, I have this deep love and loyalty to Cardiff City, yet I know that logically, everything stinks I was sitting in the 3 Kings, London, yesterday watching the game and as you do got chatting with Leeds fan, Spurs fan, Chelsea fan about the game as we were getting turned over by our bitter rivals. I literally couldn't really be arsed, as the conversation drifts towards the rebrand and it's total non- sensical nature and how passionate City supporters once were, how they sold out etc etc, it doesn't have to be an accurate assessment but the fact remains that it has effected loyalty and therefore that passion for the club, when that is lost, then following a club becomes just like any other leisure pursuit I.e you do it when you really feel like it, have time for it or can afford it.

The dichotomy of course comes from what happened last week against Norwich, I felt as much tension, nerves and unbelievable relief and elation that I ever have done when we got that win and the 3 points That's really the point with us football supporters for the vast majority, as long as the team is winning all the other stuff vanishes into the shadows. If we had beaten the Jacks yesterday, OGS would have been a legend today, first manager to do the double etc, we would all be saying how we will now survive and looking to renew our STs on Monday, looking to spank Villa Tuesday That, is one thing that will never ever change, the fickleness of football supporters and how dark or bright the world is, depending on how our team win or lose, the moment you lose that effect on your mood, is the time to give up going to games and merely become an acquaintance with football and the team they once supported.

Langley.
Compared to u rangers are a model run club.
As for monk messing it up, aint u learnd yet to keep your mouth shut?
Over the years its the same old drivel.
U wont stay in the champ as your shit.
Martinez is shit and will f**k your club up
Brendan who.
U will breake the record of least points in the prem
Second season u will go down fact .
Now its monk will fuvk it up.
Well if he does he does but we will stick by our club and bored management and team because we remember the shit days and remember that we like u not a big club and have no right to be were we are but just enjoy wile we are here.
As for the rugby fans jibe, Blackpool had 15k yeasterday but remember they use to struggle to get 8 k before they had successes.
And your selfs were getting 15 before your cup and play off runs so lets play another tun ffs.

Thanks for the read, I enjoyed it..Steve Tucker pls take notes on how to write properly

You are expeting way to much.
At the start of the season many were talking of mm as one of the best young managers in the land, he had u playing a system that made u hard to beat (shit to watch) but getting u points.
You turned on him every lose ffs,
Then it was ogs and most on here went over the top with his signings (regects from other teams and players from a shit league) and all of a sudden u are quality and expecting so much.
But the best excuse I have herd to date is that we dont sing because tan has fucked u about? Its a derby ffs, I still cant get my head around how shit your support was for your team.
Thats the difference between us and u, we live in reality and stick by the team manager and board.
You opend your arms to tan done f**k all untill it was to late.
And when u did get media coverage on your plight and the backing from fans off all clubs, tan brings in ogs and he brings in some players then all is forgotten.
You need to stop blaming others and take a hard look at your selfs.

Can't believe I'm agreeing with a jack but most of that post makes sense

Lol.
I know its shit and I get shit for it.
But if most cardiff fans are honest they will admit that us getting to the prem was the reason u are in such shit.
You were so desperate and pissed off we got there and u didnt'u took tan in with open arms.

Correct. I would rather our club do a Pompey and get relegated to 4th division if it meant being blue again.