Is hating Tan but liking his money hypocritical?

As the subject says is it hypocritical? I think yes.

I'd rather be in the lower divisions in Blue with the correct badge. I couldn't give 2 hoots about his money.

Asking for his head on a stick but wanting him to spend or praising those he has purchased is in my opinion.

Hating is not so black and white though..

I hate him for what he has done to my club,but only he can fix it.
He won't sell without major ramifications to us.
Who would want to buy us?

Hopefully one day he will see the error of his ways...

Won't hold my breath though

"""I'd rather be in the lower divisions in Blue with the correct badge. I couldn't give 2 hoots about his money."""

The trouble is you're in the minority. 27,000 fans willing to turn up and watch us play in red in the prem.
Do you think even 5,000 would watch us in division two in blue?
Like I said, you're in the minority. (sadly)

"""I'd rather be in the lower divisions in Blue with the correct badge. I couldn't give 2 hoots about his money."""

The trouble is you're in the minority. 27,000 fans willing to turn up and watch us play in red in the prem.
Do you think even 5,000 would watch us in division two in blue?
Like I said, you're in the minority. (sadly)

If you believe who say that we used to have 27000 watching us vs Rochdale in the dungeon.

"""I'd rather be in the lower divisions in Blue with the correct badge. I couldn't give 2 hoots about his money."""

The trouble is you're in the minority. 27,000 fans willing to turn up and watch us play in red in the prem.
Do you think even 5,000 would watch us in division two in blue?
Like I said, you're in the minority. (sadly)

If you believe who say that we used to have 27000 watching us vs Rochdale in the dungeon.

Laughable ain't it.
In a way, it's selfish for anyone to say they want us back in the dungeon.
If we did, 20,000 fans would go missing.
Now that would be bad for the club.
All controvercial stuff eh?

"""I'd rather be in the lower divisions in Blue with the correct badge. I couldn't give 2 hoots about his money."""

The trouble is you're in the minority. 27,000 fans willing to turn up and watch us play in red in the prem.
Do you think even 5,000 would watch us in division two in blue?
Like I said, you're in the minority. (sadly)

Yes you're right. However, if City are relegated how many of the new fans will still be there? What will be left of the fan base will predominately be the old school fans who are opposed to Red. Support for Red will wain, and calls for Blue increase. Thats what I hope anyway so whilst I want City to win I wont be too disapointed if they go down as it could be the first step on the back to Blue journey.

"""I'd rather be in the lower divisions in Blue with the correct badge. I couldn't give 2 hoots about his money."""

The trouble is you're in the minority. 27,000 fans willing to turn up and watch us play in red in the prem.
Do you think even 5,000 would watch us in division two in blue?
Like I said, you're in the minority. (sadly)

Yes you're right. However, if City are relegated how many of the new fans will still be there? What will be left of the fan base will predominately be the old school fans who are opposed to Red. Support for Red will wain, and calls for Blue increase. Thats what I hope anyway so whilst I want City to win I wont be too disapointed if they go down as it could be the first step on the back to Blue journey.

im old school, i havent embraced the red,but do appreciate what Tan has done...there are many many like me
what ive seen of the Tan out blue and lge two bunch,95% of them never experienced it..i went over to have a look at the Malky protest,not many there in their 40s, 50s,60s..........largely teenagers

Yes it is.

But there is a myth that it is the old guard who are anti red/Tan. I am old guard and so are all of my friends, most of whom have supported the club for more than 40 years, and most of whom are willing to put the good of the club before personal preference and just get on with it. From what I can see, many of the most vociferous anti Tan brigade or kids who have no idea what it is like to support a team which is struggling both on and off the pitch. They sing 'we will always be blue' but many of them never really were - mindless.

Yes it is.

But there is a myth that it is the old guard who are anti red/Tan. I am old guard and so are all of my friends, most of whom have supported the club for more than 40 years, and most of whom are willing to put the good of the club before personal preference and just get on with it. From what I can see, many of the most vociferous anti Tan brigade or kids who have no idea what it is like to support a team which is struggling both on and off the pitch. They sing 'we will always be blue' but many of them never really were - mindless.

Totally agree. Supporters of 22 years and good of the club comes first. Would love us back in blue but Tan is our owner and is calling the shots.

Yes it is.

But there is a myth that it is the old guard who are anti red/Tan. I am old guard and so are all of my friends, most of whom have supported the club for more than 40 years, and most of whom are willing to put the good of the club before personal preference and just get on with it. From what I can see, many of the most vociferous anti Tan brigade or kids who have no idea what it is like to support a team which is struggling both on and off the pitch. They sing 'we will always be blue' but many of them never really were - mindless.

Totally agree. Supporters of 22 years and good of the club comes first. Would love us back in blue but Tan is our owner and is calling the shots.

i was young myself once so do under stand the youngsters passion, but when you have posters on here evaluating new signings, getting all excited, wanting to spend more..............makes me scratch my head.
im next to some youngsters in the ground that really get behind the team,desperately want us to win........but hate tan with a vengeance,want him OUT.............without Tan, what sort of team and management would we have ?
i hate the red..........but to hate tan to a point id want him out would make me a hypocrite,which i try not to be..
i turn up, want us to win.in red..............to me..if you have any substance.you either accept as i have,or stay away like elyboy and others have done....

Yes it is.

But there is a myth that it is the old guard who are anti red/Tan. I am old guard and so are all of my friends, most of whom have supported the club for more than 40 years, and most of whom are willing to put the good of the club before personal preference and just get on with it. From what I can see, many of the most vociferous anti Tan brigade or kids who have no idea what it is like to support a team which is struggling both on and off the pitch. They sing 'we will always be blue' but many of them never really were - mindless.

Totally agree. Supporters of 22 years and good of the club comes first. Would love us back in blue but Tan is our owner and is calling the shots.

i was young myself once so do under stand the youngsters passion, but when you have posters on here evaluating new signings, getting all excited, wanting to spend more..............makes me scratch my head.
im next to some youngsters in the ground that really get behind the team,desperately want us to win........but hate tan with a vengeance,want him OUT.............without Tan, what sort of team and management would we have ?
i hate the red..........but to hate tan to a point id want him out would make me a hypocrite,which i try not to be..
i turn up, want us to win.in red..............to me..if you have any substance.you either accept as i have,or stay away like elyboy and others have done....

It's not quite that simple though. You have put 2 brackets up here either accept the rebrand or don't bother turning up. Where do the people who do not accept the rebrand but feel not turning up this will nulify their voice fit in to this?

Yes it is.

But there is a myth that it is the old guard who are anti red/Tan. I am old guard and so are all of my friends, most of whom have supported the club for more than 40 years, and most of whom are willing to put the good of the club before personal preference and just get on with it. From what I can see, many of the most vociferous anti Tan brigade or kids who have no idea what it is like to support a team which is struggling both on and off the pitch. They sing 'we will always be blue' but many of them never really were - mindless.

Totally agree. Supporters of 22 years and good of the club comes first. Would love us back in blue but Tan is our owner and is calling the shots.

i was young myself once so do under stand the youngsters passion, but when you have posters on here evaluating new signings, getting all excited, wanting to spend more..............makes me scratch my head.
im next to some youngsters in the ground that really get behind the team,desperately want us to win........but hate tan with a vengeance,want him OUT.............without Tan, what sort of team and management would we have ?
i hate the red..........but to hate tan to a point id want him out would make me a hypocrite,which i try not to be..
i turn up, want us to win.in red..............to me..if you have any substance.you either accept as i have,or stay away like elyboy and others have done....

It's not quite that simple though. You have put 2 brackets up here either accept the rebrand or don't bother turning up. Where do the people who do not accept the rebrand but feel not turning up this will nulify their voice fit in to this?

maybe its just me..........but there is no way i could support this regime by paying money which i do..........then both at same time want a good team and the money man out.............i totally respect those that REALLY have drawn a line........those that want to voice an opinion should make minds up what opinion.... seems to me there are pple that want better players and lge 2 both at same time.........and what vote?..if 15,000 stayed away THATS a statement...27,000 turning up is also a statement

As a long standing fan, and being young myself once, I got caught up in a lot of campaigns towards those who use to own our club over the years, but now I have become more accepting of the rebrand even though I dont agree with it and would love to go back to blue, but dismissing those who are actively campaigning as just teenagers for being proactive in the anti red cause, is a disservice to their views, and rights as they are the future of our club.

As the subject says is it hypocritical? I think yes.

I don't hate Tan i just don't like his colour change

As a long standing fan, and being young myself once, I got caught up in a lot of campaigns towards those who use to own our club over the years, but now I have become more accepting of the rebrand even though I dont agree with it and would love to go back to blue, but dismissing those who are actively campaigning as just teenagers for being proactive in the anti red cause, is a disservice to their views, and rights as they are the future of our club.

there was a thread on here...who did you support when cardiff were rubbish...........leaving the ground saturday,there were cheers under the stand at stoke beating man utd.............these people were not there..did not experience the bad times and will most likely desert 1st relegation we get.......i was there...........i love blue..hate red......but buy my ST....and dont want to go back.....
and what campaign............what ive seen is a joke.......stand as far away from tan as possible and chant crap

Neil, Yes I Despise Tan and the quicker he leaves our club the better.

As to spending money all I do is post who we have bought/sold.

Yes we debate what players we would like or need, but truth be known All I want is our Identity back before any of it, but I am not going to post that every day of my life as everyone already knows my beliefs and opinions on it.

As a long standing fan, and being young myself once, I got caught up in a lot of campaigns towards those who use to own our club over the years, but now I have become more accepting of the rebrand even though I dont agree with it and would love to go back to blue, but dismissing those who are actively campaigning as just teenagers for being proactive in the anti red cause, is a disservice to their views, and rights as they are the future of our club.

there was a thread on here...who did you support when cardiff were rubbish...........leaving the ground saturday,there were cheers under the stand at stoke beating man utd.............these people were not there..did not experience the bad times and will most likely desert 1st relegation we get.......i was there...........i love blue..hate red......but buy my ST....and dont want to go back.....
and what campaign............what ive seen is a joke.......stand as far away from tan as possible and chant crap

Joke, I don't know,but its their campaign, let them get on with it . But I believe the issue needs to be kept alive. I believe the only way we will have an influence to go back to blue will be during the next takeover and the influence of those fans who wants to return to blue may be able to have on any future owners, who knows there maybe a campaign to keep us red

i have wanted us to win every single game since i started watching......in blue,red,black,yellow i just want us to win.
when in league 4 i wished league 3..etc...........well here we are,where we BELONG......or at least thats what ive believed for 40 odd years..........im never going to wish for relegation,or defeats cause they go hand in hand, i turn up to SUPPORT my team.the day id turn up want defeat is the day to stop...........its a dilema, but you cant have the penny and the bun ,,he saved us,and no matter how you twist it { debts } its HIS money that put us here..wanting financial ruin of the club does mean wishing relegation,defeats and endless debts again........i cant find it in me to wish any of that on my club.

You must remember that having no money doesn't necessarily mean just playing in League 2. Could've meant not having a club at all.

As a long standing fan, and being young myself once, I got caught up in a lot of campaigns towards those who use to own our club over the years, but now I have become more accepting of the rebrand even though I dont agree with it and would love to go back to blue, but dismissing those who are actively campaigning as just teenagers for being proactive in the anti red cause, is a disservice to their views, and rights as they are the future of our club.

there was a thread on here...who did you support when cardiff were rubbish...........leaving the ground saturday,there were cheers under the stand at stoke beating man utd.............these people were not there..did not experience the bad times and will most likely desert 1st relegation we get.......i was there...........i love blue..hate red......but buy my ST....and dont want to go back.....
and what campaign............what ive seen is a joke.......stand as far away from tan as possible and chant crap

Joke, I don't know,but its their campaign, let them get on with it . But I believe the issue needs to be kept alive. I believe the only way we will have an influence to go back to blue will be during the next takeover and the influence of those fans who wants to return to blue may be able to have on any future owners, who knows there maybe a campaign to keep us red

joke maybe the wrong word..........ill thought out......the problem with the campaigns is they failed to stick to the ONE thing that unites us.........TAN OUT does not unite the fans, no matter how much the tan haters would like us all to hate him , the vast majority dont want him out........ive gone 3 times to have a look at protests,and each time come to the conclusion that whats being chanted and the banners,do not represent my feelings and thoughts, how many others? BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE..why couldnt they just keep it about blue..im in my 50s, as are my mates, none of them want or buy red,but none want tan out either........

Firstly, no. I want Cardiff to do well and I want us to play in blue. Of course, it's a question of priorities. If I was offered a choice between success and our identity, I'd chose success. Why? Because I know for a fact that it's only a matter of time before we go back to blue. VT won't be around forever, and the next owner will take the easiest PR win in the world and give us our identity back. If we don't have success - ie we get relegated - who's to say we won't do a Wolves/Leeds etc? The point is, blue will come back eventually, success won't always be there.

Secondly, and this is really important, we're not spending VT's money. We're spending Cardiff's money that VT has lent to the club. If he walks away, we're in the shit. Remember when Sam walked away? We owed a lot of money. If VT walks away, we'll owe him £60m.

Until VT converts that into equity, we're not spending his money. To thank him for the players would be like thanking a bank for your house. You have to pay them back; it's not charity. If he does convert it to equity, yes, then yes the club owes him thanks. Enough to forgive him for tearing up our identity? Well, probably not. But as I say, he'll go soon enough. Hopefully the next owner won't make us chose between success and heritage.

yes..and a campaign to keep us red.............as mad as it sounds now,there will come a time as old fans stop new ones arrive that red will be what the majority have grown up with..........few years off yet..

i believe opportunities have been thrown away...the blue movement should have been huge ,but people just couldnt help themselves from chucking tan and malky into it

Yes it is.

But there is a myth that it is the old guard who are anti red/Tan. I am old guard and so are all of my friends, most of whom have supported the club for more than 40 years, and most of whom are willing to put the good of the club before personal preference and just get on with it. From what I can see, many of the most vociferous anti Tan brigade or kids who have no idea what it is like to support a team which is struggling both on and off the pitch. They sing 'we will always be blue' but many of them never really were - mindless.

tottally agree most people have excepted it and go down the stadium cause they know it had to happen for the good of the club ,i know some people who haven't gone down the new stadium since we moved nothing to do with the rebrand i think some fans just dont like modern football

What if you love Tan but hate his money?

blind faith is what it is, red kit, dragon badge....CARDIFF DRAGONS FC he is bideing his time for the right moment. Proven liar, snake in the grass.

As the subject says is it hypocritical? I think yes.

I don't necessarily think so. Money in itself is just a commodity. A brand is s commodity too. Tan has a commodity we want and need i.e. dosh, and we have a commodity he wants and needs i.e. the Cardiff City brand. Its purely a business relationship. Business partners don't have to neither love nor respect each other, and he's demonstrated that already.

Take the fucker for all hes worth I say!

Neil, Yes I Despise Tan and the quicker he leaves our club the better.

As to spending money all I do is post who we have bought/sold.

Yes we debate what players we would like or need, but truth be known All I want is our Identity back before any of it, but I am not going to post that every day of my life as everyone already knows my beliefs and opinions on it.

Don't think you are a hypocrite mate you are straight with your views that you want Blue over anything. I know you would be happy and a fan back in the dungeon. Truth be told I think I would. For different reasons to you however.

As a long standing fan, and being young myself once, I got caught up in a lot of campaigns towards those who use to own our club over the years, but now I have become more accepting of the rebrand even though I dont agree with it and would love to go back to blue, but dismissing those who are actively campaigning as just teenagers for being proactive in the anti red cause, is a disservice to their views, and rights as they are the future of our club.

there was a thread on here...who did you support when cardiff were rubbish...........leaving the ground saturday,there were cheers under the stand at stoke beating man utd.............these people were not there..did not experience the bad times and will most likely desert 1st relegation we get.......i was there...........i love blue..hate red......but buy my ST....and dont want to go back.....
and what campaign............what ive seen is a joke.......stand as far away from tan as possible and chant crap

There were always cheers when United were heard to be losing.