Should the Premier League restructure like the MLS?

Wheres the competitive in the Premier League? Anyone else fed up of it? Unless we get a billionaire owner who's going to sugar roll us we are never going to compete. Thats shocking and proves how much of a business this has become. A sport where all participants are unable to compete. Whats the point in bothering? We're at a disadvantage before we even start which is ridiculous. Something needs to be done about it and there is a way it can be done.

Whats the point in a Cardiff, Palace or Hull City fan paying £500+ for a season ticket for the next 10 years (£5000+) when the best they can hope for is winning a domestic cup (can be done in any league) or qualifying for Europe through fair play? The whole league system is a shambles and its draining. I preferred the Championship but even thats turning into the Premier League 2 with QPR, Leicester, etc throwing money at it.

The Premier League IMO should have a divided system just like the MLS has an East and West. These leagues should place clubs on a rank basis.

Split A

Manchester United
Liverpool
Tottenham
Newcastle
Southampton
Aston Villa
Fulham
Sunderland
Hull City
Cardiff City

Split B

Manchester City
Arsenal
Chelsea FC
Everton
Swansea City
West Brom
West Ham
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Crystal Palace

Finances and Transfers

There should be a draft and wages limited (salary cap) for all players except the 3 designated players maximum. The players drafted should come from the Championship, League One and League Two. To sign a player not from those leagues they must become 1 of your 3 designated players. You are allowed up to 3 of these players on any wage you like.

To start it off and allow transition into the system Premier League clubs can sell off all players to any club but must keep the 3 designated players they want. Then there will be a draft whereby they will take players from the lower leagues which will be evenly spread out. The selling of players will also help ease the mounting debts PL clubs have. Wages will be much lower on average and therefore they will be able to cope more financially.

For example: Manchester United sell off all players to make money back but keep Vidic, Mata and Rooney. They then take players from the lower leagues but this will go through a draft with each ranked team getting a turn in each round.

Cardiff City could sell all players and then keep Marshall, Caulker and Medel as designated players. We would then draft the players required to fill up the other positions in the team. Clubs can trade players in a trading window if it suits them and their aims.

This helps add to the competitiveness of the league too. Imagine having the draft live on TV and seeing who your manager picked and the side he was building there and then. That would be exciting in itself to see who he'd bring in etc. Imagine seeing a United and Chelsea team your team could actually be above and compete with over an entire season because their squad is not full of bought superstars but only features 3 at the most. It would be brilliant. Imagine knowing your club is going to be around for years to come because the debts are eased by the initial selling of players and the lowering of wages to a fair living wage which helps clubs control and regulate finances. Imagine a system that supported players joining for the love of the sport and not as a cash cow capitalist career choice that can fund a lifestyle of drinking, clubbing and gambling.

Playoffs and Relegation

4 teams from each league at the end go into playoffs. Lets say Manchester United, Liverpool, Spurs and Cardiff from Split A and Manchester City, Chelsea, Everton and Swansea from Split B.

That opens up the possibilities of 4 derbies in the playoffs.

Manchester United vs Manchester City
Swansea City vs Cardiff City
Chelsea vs Spurs
Everton vs Liverpool

That would be a lot more exciting or even if it was drawn another way the possibility of a derby in the final (held at Wembley) and you even got the chance to win because its a more fair and competitive league. A team is 11 players, not 3.

Relegation would involve 1 bottom team from each league going down and the top two teams from the Championship gaining promotion. The team that finishes first gets to choose which split they enter. The team thats second enters the other split. The MLS because of all the factors mentioned above is the most competitive league in the world. Such a system would be easy to implement here if the FA/PL weren't such scumbag money grabbers.

We'll get called sellouts for ever but the real sell-outs are the PL who decided to do it on all of our behalf's. Financial Fair Play is a load of rubbish put out there to quell the threat of those who were rising up against modern football. Blatter, the ugly toad, is more than happy to keep milking it as are the rest of them. Financial Fair Play is no different to our tax system - it has loopholes that the rich can exploit whilst those at the bottom continue to struggle.

Last season Manchester United won the league on 89 points - QPR had 25, Reading had 28, Wigan had 36 - The top team had as many points as the 3 relegated teams put together. The range of the points from top to bottom was 64.

The MLS in the same year had ranges of 43 (DC United had a terrible year) and and 31 so an average of 37. Thats half of what it was in the Premier League in the same year.

In the Premier League 1st and 8th were separated by 40 points. In the MLS this was just 18 and 13 points so an average of 15.5 points. The MLS way is much more competitive.

Still not convinced?

The MLS Cup has been won by 9 different teams since its inception. It has been competed for by 12 as 3 have never won it. The MLS Cup started in 1996.

The Premier League has been won by 5 clubs since 1992. Manchester United have won the league 13 times since then out of 21 campaigns. 62% of Premier League campaigns have been won by Manchester United. Even the year Blackburn won the Premier League they spent around £300k more than Manchester United on transfers and broke the British transfer record twice.

The Premier League is pointless for 16 clubs. Before a ball was kicked this year most predicted it would be between Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal. Some predicted Liverpool. A few wrote of United due to their period of transition yet they went and proved with the Mata signing what it takes to compete, money. Pretty much 15-16 clubs written off before a ball is kicked? How is that competition? The Premier League is a capitalists wet dream but for those wanting to watch a competitive sport its a pile of shite.

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Bumped for Roathie and Six Fingers. You need to appreciate for some the PL is just crap and can only be won by a select few and thats what makes it crap. The only attraction of the PL is the money from Sky for stability, which of course hasn't worked in our case as we have an owner who gave too much money to a manager who splashed too much in the summer transfer window.

I agree with the wage and transfer cap and I like the systems implemented by the NFL. However, this will never happen as it would weaken British football when competing against other countries. It would only work if the system was used across the board in all nations.

The Fa really need to take a leaf out of the Germans and the way they handle clubs.

It is funny that the "some" you refer to as the ones who think the Prem is crap and almost always the ones about to fall through its trap door.

It is funny that the "some" you refer to as the ones who think the Prem is crap and almost always the ones about to fall through its trap door.

You will never compete at the top of the Premier League unless:

1) loads of the top clubs go bust - unlikely
2) you get a massive investor on board

Breaking into the top of the PL is much harder than rising the other divisions.

Lets go with the mls model. But clearly cardiff wont be in the running for a place in the setup. Sounds fair? Or is it a better model that a side can go from 90th to 9th?

This Barnett chap is off his rocker.

It is funny that the "some" you refer to as the ones who think the Prem is crap and almost always the ones about to fall through its trap door.

You will never compete at the top of the Premier League unless:

1) loads of the top clubs go bust - unlikely
2) you get a massive investor on board

Breaking into the top of the PL is much harder than rising the other divisions.

We are the most profitable club in the premier league, we don't need investors. We grow.

Wheres the competitive in the Premier League? Anyone else fed up of it? Unless we get a billionaire owner who's going to sugar roll us we are never going to compete. Thats shocking and proves how much of a business this has become. A sport where all participants are unable to compete. Whats the point in bothering? We're at a disadvantage before we even start which is ridiculous. Something needs to be done about it and there is a way it can be done.

Whats the point in a Cardiff, Palace or Hull City fan paying £500+ for a season ticket for the next 10 years (£5000+) when the best they can hope for is winning a domestic cup (can be done in any league) or qualifying for Europe through fair play? The whole league system is a shambles and its draining. I preferred the Championship but even thats turning into the Premier League 2 with QPR, Leicester, etc throwing money at it.

The Premier League IMO should have a divided system just like the MLS has an East and West. These leagues should place clubs on a rank basis.

Split A

Manchester United
Liverpool
Tottenham
Newcastle
Southampton
Aston Villa
Fulham
Sunderland
Hull City
Cardiff City

Split B

Manchester City
Arsenal
Chelsea FC
Everton
Swansea City
West Brom
West Ham
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Crystal Palace

Finances and Transfers

There should be a draft and wages limited (salary cap) for all players except the 3 designated players maximum. The players drafted should come from the Championship, League One and League Two. To sign a player not from those leagues they must become 1 of your 3 designated players. You are allowed up to 3 of these players on any wage you like.

To start it off and allow transition into the system Premier League clubs can sell off all players to any club but must keep the 3 designated players they want. Then there will be a draft whereby they will take players from the lower leagues which will be evenly spread out. The selling of players will also help ease the mounting debts PL clubs have. Wages will be much lower on average and therefore they will be able to cope more financially.

For example: Manchester United sell off all players to make money back but keep Vidic, Mata and Rooney. They then take players from the lower leagues but this will go through a draft with each ranked team getting a turn in each round.

Cardiff City could sell all players and then keep Marshall, Caulker and Medel as designated players. We would then draft the players required to fill up the other positions in the team. Clubs can trade players in a trading window if it suits them and their aims.

This helps add to the competitiveness of the league too. Imagine having the draft live on TV and seeing who your manager picked and the side he was building there and then. That would be exciting in itself to see who he'd bring in etc. Imagine seeing a United and Chelsea team your team could actually be above and compete with over an entire season because their squad is not full of bought superstars but only features 3 at the most. It would be brilliant. Imagine knowing your club is going to be around for years to come because the debts are eased by the initial selling of players and the lowering of wages to a fair living wage which helps clubs control and regulate finances. Imagine a system that supported players joining for the love of the sport and not as a cash cow capitalist career choice that can fund a lifestyle of drinking, clubbing and gambling.

Playoffs and Relegation

4 teams from each league at the end go into playoffs. Lets say Manchester United, Liverpool, Spurs and Cardiff from Split A and Manchester City, Chelsea, Everton and Swansea from Split B.

That opens up the possibilities of 4 derbies in the playoffs.

Manchester United vs Manchester City
Swansea City vs Cardiff City
Chelsea vs Spurs
Everton vs Liverpool

That would be a lot more exciting or even if it was drawn another way the possibility of a derby in the final (held at Wembley) and you even got the chance to win because its a more fair and competitive league. A team is 11 players, not 3.

Relegation would involve 1 bottom team from each league going down and the top two teams from the Championship gaining promotion. The team that finishes first gets to choose which split they enter. The team thats second enters the other split. The MLS because of all the factors mentioned above is the most competitive league in the world. Such a system would be easy to implement here if the FA/PL weren't such scumbag money grabbers.

We'll get called sellouts for ever but the real sell-outs are the PL who decided to do it on all of our behalf's. Financial Fair Play is a load of rubbish put out there to quell the threat of those who were rising up against modern football. Blatter, the ugly toad, is more than happy to keep milking it as are the rest of them. Financial Fair Play is no different to our tax system - it has loopholes that the rich can exploit whilst those at the bottom continue to struggle.

Last season Manchester United won the league on 89 points - QPR had 25, Reading had 28, Wigan had 36 - The top team had as many points as the 3 relegated teams put together. The range of the points from top to bottom was 64.

The MLS in the same year had ranges of 43 (DC United had a terrible year) and and 31 so an average of 37. Thats half of what it was in the Premier League in the same year.

In the Premier League 1st and 8th were separated by 40 points. In the MLS this was just 18 and 13 points so an average of 15.5 points. The MLS way is much more competitive.

Still not convinced?

The MLS Cup has been won by 9 different teams since its inception. It has been competed for by 12 as 3 have never won it. The MLS Cup started in 1996.

The Premier League has been won by 5 clubs since 1992. Manchester United have won the league 13 times since then out of 21 campaigns. 62% of Premier League campaigns have been won by Manchester United. Even the year Blackburn won the Premier League they spent around £300k more than Manchester United on transfers and broke the British transfer record twice.

The Premier League is pointless for 16 clubs. Before a ball was kicked this year most predicted it would be between Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal. Some predicted Liverpool. A few wrote of United due to their period of transition yet they went and proved with the Mata signing what it takes to compete, money. Pretty much 15-16 clubs written off before a ball is kicked? How is that competition? The Premier League is a capitalists wet dream but for those wanting to watch a competitive sport its a pile of shite.

Since the premier league's inception british Football has become increasingly predictable, i think statistics back this up.

A change is needed but shouldn't be radical like adopting an MLS structure, An enforced reduction in squad size would spread the talant more evenly across the clubs. It would also require better management from coaches resulting in a more deserving winner. Unfortunately the clubs with all the power would not vote for anything threatening the status quo. Change will only come by force from either the European Union or a grass roots movement from fans who have the awareness and guts to withdraw support.

We are the most profitable club in the premier league, we don't need investors. We grow.

Other clubs grow too FFS. Other clubs that are currently much bigger than you now and thanks to the system will remain much bigger than you.

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Its probably beyond yours and swansealads capacity of intellect to be honest.

We are the most profitable club in the premier league, we don't need investors. We grow.

Other clubs grow too FFS. Other clubs that are currently much bigger than you now and thanks to the system will remain much bigger than you


So then we will all grow together. You can only spend so much money, there is only 11 players on the field. We will catch up, the key is to do it slowly and sustainably.

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there is only 11 players on the field. We will catch up, the key is to do it slowly and sustainably. [/color]

If you ever win the PL in my life time, I'll fly to Australia and buy you a pint whilst watching a Swansea game with you.

Its not going to happen and thats how pathetically predictable the PL is.

:lol:
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Its probably beyond yours and swansealads capacity of intellect to be honest.

'It's'. Goodbye.

there is only 11 players on the field. We will catch up, the key is to do it slowly and sustainably. [/color]

If you ever win the PL in my life time, I'll fly to Australia and buy you a pint whilst watching a Swansea game with you.

Its not going to happen and thats how pathetically predictable the PL is.

Well if anybody apart from the current top 4 does surely?

Your footballing philosophy doesnt revolve around Swansea, it is due to your "belief" that only a select few can win. And because you can never win, thats why its rubbish,,..

(Yet oddly you say its not all about winning )

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I've replied to you in another thread. Just going to agree to disagree as I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this ever. I think we both have very different outlooks on life and football in general.

Lets just have divisions 1-5. Three up, three down. No play-offs. It worked perfectly well for decades. And the FA Cup final the Saturday after the end of the season. At 3pm.

Some people seem to think that football started in 1992.