Debt to Equity?

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

so has issacs sold his shares now annis ?

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

Unless we start heading up the league I cant see him doing anything with it at the moment

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I've no doubt it will. Don't know why others feel the need to create it.

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I thought you only got clobbered if you were playing in a euro comp, might be wrong

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I've no doubt it will. Don't know why others feel the need to create it.

Once he does make us more financial stable the only thing certain posters can do with there agends is bang on about the rebrand

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I thought you only got clobbered if you were playing in a euro comp, might be wrong

no thats this season through uefa but next year fair play rules come in the premiership

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I thought you only got clobbered if you were playing in a euro comp, might be wrong

no thats this season through uefa but next year fair play rules come in the premiership

Cheers Wez

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I thought you only got clobbered if you were playing in a euro comp, might be wrong

no thats this season through uefa but next year fair play rules come in the premiership

So if we stay up Tan will be FORCED to convert the debt into equity, but what will Tan do if we get relegated? I don't see Tan ever convertin the debt to equity unless he's forced to by the Premiership rules to be honest!

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

I thought you only got clobbered if you were playing in a euro comp, might be wrong

no thats this season through uefa but next year fair play rules come in the premiership

So if we stay up Tan will be FORCED to convert the debt into equity, but what will Tan do if we get relegated? I don't see Tan ever convertin the debt to equity unless he's forced to by the Premiership rules to be honest!

NO i think that he would have to refinance us in some way to comply he has kept his word wrongly or rightyly on everything elese he has said so i should imagine he will convert it

He wouldnt have bought all the other shares if he wasnt going to convert.

I have no doubt he will but that doesnt detract from the fact he hasnt done so yet.

He wouldnt have bought all the other shares if he wasnt going to convert.

I have no doubt he will but that doesnt detract from the fact he hasnt done so yet.

These things can take time

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

don't the fair play rules only affect you if you play in European competition ?

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

don't the fair play rules only affect you if you play in European competition ?

only this season next season premier league fair play rules come into force

Wasn't this supposed to be completed Nov/Dec. ?

No it wasn't, its being held up by isacs not selling his shares tan has bought all other share holders out

Wez, Ive spoken to many major shareholders and 2 Directors, there is No reason why Tan cant convert the Debt in to equity, No reason other than Tan knowing himself why it has not been done.

It will happen, plans are in place!

its 100% got to happen to stay in the premier league next season as fair play rules come in to force

don't the fair play rules only affect you if you play in European competition ?

only this season next season premier league fair play rules come into force

What sort of punishment will the premier league dish out if a team falls foul of this rule ?

He wouldnt have bought all the other shares if he wasnt going to convert.

I have no doubt he will but that doesnt detract from the fact he hasnt done so yet.

These things can take time

Could have quite easily been done by now though.

There is a myth that Tan wont convert until Isaac sells his lot. I really don't understand this unless it is to stop Isaac making more money from it all. Isaac could quite easily lose alot here if Tan decided to create more shares therefore reducing the individual value to attract other investors. Of course more investors on board means more security therefore raising the share value but that will be driven by club performance. Thats is no guarantee so if i was in Isaacs shoes I would sell.

Even so surely this should not be stopping Tan converting.

He wouldnt have bought all the other shares if he wasnt going to convert.

I have no doubt he will but that doesnt detract from the fact he hasnt done so yet.

These things can take time

Could have quite easily been done by now though.

There is a myth that Tan wont convert until Isaac sells his lot. I really don't understand this unless it is to stop Isaac making more money from it all. Isaac could quite easily lose alot here if Tan decided to create more shares therefore reducing the individual value to attract other investors. Of course more investors on board means more security therefore raising the share value but that will be driven by club performance. Thats is no guarantee so if i was in Isaacs shoes I would sell.

Even so surely this should not be stopping Tan converting.

he wont have to make new shares if he owns all the shares also if he did convert the shares without all being bought they would increase in value with theyre being no debt Issacs would make a mint

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

You sure Wez?

I'm expecting the share value to drop slightly with the conversion. Then I'm expecting Tan to issue more shares therefore devaluing the value. Tan hinmself will make up for this by buying more shares for himself. This is now he will keep his value. Then I expect other investors to come onboard which will secure the club. Isaac will then lose out big time either way unless he hangs around for quite a while.

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

how else would you expect tan to make 100m disappear?

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

You sure Wez?

I'm expecting the share value to drop slightly with the conversion. Then I'm expecting Tan to issue more shares therefore devaluing the value. Tan hinmself will make up for this by buying more shares for himself. This is now he will keep his value. Then I expect other investors to come onboard which will secure the club. Isaac will then lose out big time either way unless he hangs around for quite a while.

ian

its allegedly being done towards the end of february now but i wont hold my breath.
i notice the extension is slowing down and i believe that tan had only signed up to the groundworks to date.
February is a massive month for the club i believe and anything less than 8 points for me and we are going down

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

You sure Wez?

I'm expecting the share value to drop slightly with the conversion. Then I'm expecting Tan to issue more shares therefore devaluing the value. Tan hinmself will make up for this by buying more shares for himself. This is now he will keep his value. Then I expect other investors to come onboard which will secure the club. Isaac will then lose out big time either way unless he hangs around for quite a while.

yes if no new shares are issued the company will be valued more due to there being no debt and therefore no liabilties ,hence the shares will be come valuable but if say cardiff city issued tan millions and millions of new shares then any existing shares would be devalued

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

You sure Wez?

I'm expecting the share value to drop slightly with the conversion. Then I'm expecting Tan to issue more shares therefore devaluing the value. Tan hinmself will make up for this by buying more shares for himself. This is now he will keep his value. Then I expect other investors to come onboard which will secure the club. Isaac will then lose out big time either way unless he hangs around for quite a while.

yes if no new shares are issued the company will be valued more due to there being no debt and therefore no liabilties ,hence the shares will be come valuable but if say cardiff city issued tan millions and millions of new shares then any existing shares would be devalued

Agree with you there although i cant see how £100 million of debt can be converted to shares when the asset of the club is far less than that. This is why I think whatever conversion takes place there will be some debt left therefore reducing the value.

Tan will create more shares, attracking more investors and will use that money to eventually write of the remaining debt. That's how I think it will work.

you can issue shares up to a certain. i know a company i bought shares in a few years ago had something like 900m of them!

all it means is that the individual value of each share will be less, but he can still do it for sure.

no he would he would lose out as the % he holds would be considerable less.

only if there are more shares issued isacs would lose out

You sure Wez?

I'm expecting the share value to drop slightly with the conversion. Then I'm expecting Tan to issue more shares therefore devaluing the value. Tan hinmself will make up for this by buying more shares for himself. This is now he will keep his value. Then I expect other investors to come onboard which will secure the club. Isaac will then lose out big time either way unless he hangs around for quite a while.

ian

its allegedly being done towards the end of february now but i wont hold my breath.
i notice the extension is slowing down and i believe that tan had only signed up to the groundworks to date.
February is a massive month for the club i believe and anything less than 8 points for me and we are going down

Yep that makes sense.

Sadly this is why I think Tan will be around for a bit longer. To him if we go down he will take it as a glip and look at rebounding back. To me it means we are stuck with the rebrand.