' Fined £65,000/ Premier League Welcomes it '

Thursday 30th January 2014
Premier League live football: Pub landlord broke copyright law


The Premier League welcomed the ruling.

Pubs screening matches illegally will be warned first

A pub landlord has to pay £65,000 in legal costs for breaching the Premier League's copyright by showing football matches using a foreign satellite card authorised only for private use.

The Premier League took Anthony Luxton to court after various matches were shown at the Rhyddings pub in Swansea.

Key to their case is that the Danish TV pictures used the Premier League logo.

Mr Luxton argued at the High Court that it was an "illicit attempt" to stop foreign decoder cards being used.

He also said that the League's claim foundered on the rock of European Union free trade rules, but this was rejected.

Mr Luxton's solicitor Paul Dixon said after the case: "We will be looking very closely at the possibility of an appeal."

The matches were shown in the pub between September and December 2012.

The League's QC, Helen Davies, claimed the pub breached strict copyright rules by showing live matches using a satellite card, issued by a Danish broadcaster, during which the Premier League's distinctive logo was depicted.

The card was only authorised for use in a private home, said the barrister, "and not for use in commercial premises such as the pub".

"Euro-defence"
There was effectively "communication without consent", she told Mrs Justice Rose.

The League's lawyers argued that the foreign decoder cards could not be used in a "public" setting and that showing the Premier League logos in on-screen graphics was also a clear breach of copyright.

The case reached London's High Court as the League's legal team sought summary judgment against Mr Luxton on the grounds that his defence had no realistic prospect of success.

Miss Davies claimed Mr Luxton's "Euro-defence" was "nothing more than a contrived attempt to avoid the obvious consequences of his conduct".

Following a three-hour hearing, Mrs Justice Rose granted the League's application and made a "declaration of infringement". She also issued an injunction barring further unlawful screenings.

She ordered Mr Luxton to pay £65,000 on account, pending final assessment of sum he owes.

"There is no defence to this claim and summary judgment must be entered," she concluded, dismissing Mr Luxton's case.

The Premier League welcomed the ruling.

A spokesperson said: "We are currently undertaking our largest ever investigations programme and have commenced legal action against several pubs and will continue to do so.

"Only Sky Sports and BT Sport are authorised to show live Premier League football in pubs in the UK and legitimate commercial subscriptions for use in pubs can be obtained from them."

The case was the first of up to 100 prosecutions the Premier League is planning to bring up across Wales and England this season.

Last week, BBC Wales revealed the Premier League's private investigation firm had visited nearly 200 pubs in south Wales in the last four months.

f*cking leeches

Thursday 30th January 2014
Premier League live football: Pub landlord broke copyright law


The Premier League welcomed the ruling.

Pubs screening matches illegally will be warned first

A pub landlord has to pay £65,000 in legal costs for breaching the Premier League's copyright by showing football matches using a foreign satellite card authorised only for private use.

The Premier League took Anthony Luxton to court after various matches were shown at the Rhyddings pub in Swansea.

Key to their case is that the Danish TV pictures used the Premier League logo.

Mr Luxton argued at the High Court that it was an "illicit attempt" to stop foreign decoder cards being used.

He also said that the League's claim foundered on the rock of European Union free trade rules, but this was rejected.

Mr Luxton's solicitor Paul Dixon said after the case: "We will be looking very closely at the possibility of an appeal."

The matches were shown in the pub between September and December 2012.

The League's QC, Helen Davies, claimed the pub breached strict copyright rules by showing live matches using a satellite card, issued by a Danish broadcaster, during which the Premier League's distinctive logo was depicted.

The card was only authorised for use in a private home, said the barrister, "and not for use in commercial premises such as the pub".

"Euro-defence"
There was effectively "communication without consent", she told Mrs Justice Rose.

The League's lawyers argued that the foreign decoder cards could not be used in a "public" setting and that showing the Premier League logos in on-screen graphics was also a clear breach of copyright.

The case reached London's High Court as the League's legal team sought summary judgment against Mr Luxton on the grounds that his defence had no realistic prospect of success.

Miss Davies claimed Mr Luxton's "Euro-defence" was "nothing more than a contrived attempt to avoid the obvious consequences of his conduct".

Following a three-hour hearing, Mrs Justice Rose granted the League's application and made a "declaration of infringement". She also issued an injunction barring further unlawful screenings.

She ordered Mr Luxton to pay £65,000 on account, pending final assessment of sum he owes.

"There is no defence to this claim and summary judgment must be entered," she concluded, dismissing Mr Luxton's case.

The Premier League welcomed the ruling.

A spokesperson said: "We are currently undertaking our largest ever investigations programme and have commenced legal action against several pubs and will continue to do so.

"Only Sky Sports and BT Sport are authorised to show live Premier League football in pubs in the UK and legitimate commercial subscriptions for use in pubs can be obtained from them."

The case was the first of up to 100 prosecutions the Premier League is planning to bring up across Wales and England this season.

Last week, BBC Wales revealed the Premier League's private investigation firm had visited nearly 200 pubs in south Wales in the last four months.

already a thread on this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=134448

most of the systems used in south wales are legal and cover up the logos of the premier league ,the land lord here didnt use these systems hence the conviction on copy right ,this will run on and on untill it goes to europe

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

Hopefully European Law will win the day

Hopefully European Law will win the day

it will do in the end but will take years as the murphy case the premier league cant have it all their own way they are not aload to rescrict freedorm of tv pictures in europe

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

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Wez I thought you said as long as you've got a sky subscription then they would turn a blind eye.

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

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Wez I thought you said as long as you've got a sky subscription then they would turn a blind eye.

they are ,the pub in swansea didnt have any british subs mate but its better to be safe than sorry hence why i went through a media company rather than the cheaper option of just streaming it from the web

I hope so. It's class as I can't afford away games.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

Yes, under copyright law wez. I know how its done. I've known for ages that its going on yet none would listen and even Chuckles tried to belittle me over it. If you show the PL logo's during live transmission and the subcontracted company, ID Enquiries, who does the checks catch you then you can get fined.

This person who has been fined hasn't got a leg to stand on when it comes to copyright law otherwise the EU Courts are undermining the whole purpose of said law. I know a lot about copyright law as I do web design and I myself have to use stock images or royalty free images that are not copyrighted otherwise I can be pursued.

Sky and the PL made the copyright law notice clear since that very public case the landlady won and yet loads still are not listening. Yours may very well be within a legal grey area but many others are breaching copyright law.

So far this season ID Inquiries has visited 195 pubs in the Cardiff and Swansea areas and is planning legal action against "a small number of them".

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

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Wez I thought you said as long as you've got a sky subscription then they would turn a blind eye.

they are ,the pub in swansea didnt have any british subs mate but its better to be safe than sorry hence why i went through a media company rather than the cheaper option of just streaming it from the web

I wouldn't be too confident mate. Someone can grass u up on here or there might be police watching ya

I wouldn't be too confident mate. Someone can grass u up on here or there might be police watching ya

They've already done a sweep on almost 200 pubs mate. They will do them again most likely as well. The problem is many pubs are using decoders but then sometimes these decoders may not have a game or their may be an issue. They then use alternative sources for the streams - say online through an Asian broadcaster - that shows the logos and they can get done then. The problem is the copyright law - if the PL music is playing during broadcast, the logo is shown at any time etc. then you can get done for it.

I said this earlier on in the season and got abuse for it. Looks like I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122937&p=1264497&hilit=+streams#p1264497

1. Not all pay for a foreign satellite service, some obtain streams illegally via online services
2. Sky are using copyright laws to take landlords to court to fine those responsible

Chuckles said I was wrong and now he looks like a whopper!

I did try and warn people but some wouldn't listen. They only have themselves to blame if they get fined.

if you read what i said the landlords wot get fined the badges must be cover during the live transmission most of the pub systems do out there and that is why pubs pay the subscription to these media companies mine 1500 pounds a year not cheap but legal and well in the top of the grey area only time will tell. as anyone who is convicted can appeal it to the high court also the European courts stoping any other prosecutions a landlords has won before and will do in the future

.

Wez I thought you said as long as you've got a sky subscription then they would turn a blind eye.

they are ,the pub in swansea didnt have any british subs mate but its better to be safe than sorry hence why i went through a media company rather than the cheaper option of just streaming it from the web

I wouldn't be too confident mate. Someone can grass u up on here or there might be police watching ya

they already know i show the games but also know that certain systems they will not get a conviction on also under the your sky and bt contracts in pubs you can use premier league logos ,the next few more cases will be interesting as the one today is cut and dry but others wont be

as stated in the other thread this is a disgrace

I wouldn't be too confident mate. Someone can grass u up on here or there might be police watching ya

They've already done a sweep on almost 200 pubs mate. They will do them again most likely as well. The problem is many pubs are using decoders but then sometimes these decoders may not have a game or their may be an issue. They then use alternative sources for the streams - say online through an Asian broadcaster - that shows the logos and they can get done then. The problem is the copyright law - if the PL music is playing during broadcast, the logo is shown at any time etc. then you can get done for it.

you cant be fined for the replays logos and for the advertising in the stadium this was dismissed under the karen murphy case but can be fine for the constant logo eg the left bottom hand corner and the score countdown but most cover this up now