Ched Evans, not guilty?

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-w ... ws-6646793


Allways had my doubts about his conviction

few threads done on this topic before, I will always believe he is innocent and cant believe he got convicted but his friend did not, the girl just realised wtf she done night before got embarrassed and played the innocent victim, people might not agree but that's my two cents

It's scary how easy it is for a woman who regrets her sexual behaviour the night before to cry rape.

Absolutely disgusting how Donaldson got let off yet Evans was convicted, how in anyway is that possible? She deserved her name being revealed when it was. She was in it for the money and it's disgusting that a family has been torn apart by some dirty girl in it for the fame and money

Absolutely disgusting how Donaldson got let off yet Evans was convicted, how in anyway is that possible? She deserved her name being revealed when it was. She was in it for the money and it's disgusting that a family has been torn apart by some dirty girl in it for the fame and money

her name got exposed on twitter but I don't know it and people who exposed it got arrested for it, she blagged about taking her friends on holiday from the money shes going to have apparently, its easy in this day and age to play the rape card, might not be a great example but look at all the celebrities getting accused of rape after jimmy Saville where the f**k was they before?

Absolutely disgusting how Donaldson got let off yet Evans was convicted, how in anyway is that possible? She deserved her name being revealed when it was. She was in it for the money and it's disgusting that a family has been torn apart by some dirty girl in it for the fame and money

her name got exposed on twitter but I don't know it and people who exposed it got arrested for it, she blagged about taking her friends on holiday from the money shes going to have apparently, its easy in this day and age to play the rape card, might not be a great example but look at all the celebrities getting accused of rape after jimmy Saville where the f**k was they before?

http://www.corestore.org/lc.htm

Exactly, absolutely disgusting, I know footballers don't cover themselves in glory but wow is it annoying when they're targeted

If its overturned, would he get compensation? And from who? Not just him, but do people get compensated after doing time for a crime it was later proved they didnt commit? If not they should do, as the stigma will stick untill they die.

Absolutely disgusting how Donaldson got let off yet Evans was convicted, how in anyway is that possible? She deserved her name being revealed when it was. She was in it for the money and it's disgusting that a family has been torn apart by some dirty girl in it for the fame and money

her name got exposed on twitter but I don't know it and people who exposed it got arrested for it, she blagged about taking her friends on holiday from the money shes going to have apparently, its easy in this day and age to play the rape card, might not be a great example but look at all the celebrities getting accused of rape after jimmy Saville where the f**k was they before?

http://www.corestore.org/lc.htm

Exactly, absolutely disgusting, I know footballers don't cover themselves in glory but wow is it annoying when they're targeted

its bad mate does anyone know what happened to the remy case? he got charged and never heard of anything after that

The case was never convincing with this tbh.

I thin k they felt they had to jail him though because it would send a bad message if a professional footballer was seen to "get away" with raping someone.

Absolutely disgusting how Donaldson got let off yet Evans was convicted, how in anyway is that possible? She deserved her name being revealed when it was. She was in it for the money and it's disgusting that a family has been torn apart by some dirty girl in it for the fame and money

her name got exposed on twitter but I don't know it and people who exposed it got arrested for it, she blagged about taking her friends on holiday from the money shes going to have apparently, its easy in this day and age to play the rape card, might not be a great example but look at all the celebrities getting accused of rape after jimmy Saville where the f**k was they before?

http://www.corestore.org/lc.htm

Exactly, absolutely disgusting, I know footballers don't cover themselves in glory but wow is it annoying when they're targeted

its bad mate does anyone know what happened to the remy case? he got charged and never heard of anything after that

got dropped

If its overturned she should go to jail.

If its overturned she should go to jail.

Absolutly, for at least twice as long

If its overturned, would he get compensation? And from who? Not just him, but do people get compensated after doing time for a crime it was later proved they didnt commit? If not they should do, as the stigma will stick untill they die.

yes it will be calculated on how long hes spent in prison and damages caused, he could also sue the girl who accused him if he wanted.

the girl would also go to court and face charges of perverting the course of justice if found to be lying.

Police are wankers full stop, they make up evidence all the time, they have done it a few times in past fighting cases iv had, fukin scumbags.

The case was never convincing with this tbh.

I thin k they felt they had to jail him though because it would send a bad message if a professional footballer was seen to "get away" with raping someone.

Agreed. I've always believed he's innocent. She herself admitted she cant remember much and any defence lawyer worth his money should have torn that case apart and went full throttle at the prosecution. Ched's defence should have built her account up based on that admittance as someone who's an unreliable witness and irresponsible for getting so drunk and in that state in the first place. As she was the only witness in regards to the actual crime then a proper character assassination by the defence lawyer would have had the case thrown out.

How can you be credible and reliable as a source of information and the truth if you were by your own admittance so out of your mind that you cannot remember much? Surely if you're in such a state then you may not remember giving consent. Surely if you're in such a state then you may not remember agreeing to get in the taxi and go to a hotel. Anyone in such a state is not a credible witness or source and the case should therefore have been thrown out.

She should have been told to grow up, act like an adult and drink responsibly. Nobody deserves to be victim to such a crime but if you're going to get so wasted you cant remember a thing then you're not helping yourself or the CPS.

This is the best write up I've read on the case tbh from some random persons blog. Worth a read if you're interested.

http://seeingitalldifferently.wordpress ... hed-evans/

If its overturned she should go to jail.

Agree with this too old man!

yes it will be calculated on how long hes spent in prison and damages caused, he could also sue the girl who accused him if he wanted.

the girl would also go to court and face charges of perverting the course of justice if found to be lying.

I doubt she's lying. I just doubt her telling the truth as well. I don't think she has a clue what happened. According to various sources she was so wasted she cant remember much and if that the case then her credibility as a witness is blown. The case should have been dismissed.

yes it will be calculated on how long hes spent in prison and damages caused, he could also sue the girl who accused him if he wanted.

the girl would also go to court and face charges of perverting the course of justice if found to be lying.

I doubt she's lying. I just doubt her telling the truth as well. I don't think she has a clue what happened. According to various sources she was so wasted she cant remember much and if that the case then her credibility as a witness is blown. The case should have been dismissed.

maybe but the case would have had to go to trial anyway, she claimed rape, there is evidence of sexual activity, there is evidence that Evans had sex with this girl. was it rape is the big question. from what I remember from the case, that they considered the fact that she was so wasted in the jury's opinion she could never have been able to consent to sex, how she could consent to one and not the other always baffled me but I wasnt on the jury.

this isnt rape as in most people consider rape, this is an argument of drunken consent and whether that is a defence or not.

is this girl a victim of her own drunkenness or is Evans guilty of taking advantage of a situation where he should have used better judgement.


As for the girl and peverting the course of justice again it would be for the CPS to prove she did consent and she was able to give that consent therefore she did cry rape

yes it will be calculated on how long hes spent in prison and damages caused, he could also sue the girl who accused him if he wanted.

the girl would also go to court and face charges of perverting the course of justice if found to be lying.

I doubt she's lying. I just doubt her telling the truth as well. I don't think she has a clue what happened. According to various sources she was so wasted she cant remember much and if that the case then her credibility as a witness is blown. The case should have been dismissed.

maybe but the case would have had to go to trial anyway, she claimed rape, there is evidence of sexual activity, there is evidence that Evans had sex with this girl. was it rape is the big question. from what I remember from the case, that they considered the fact that she was so wasted in the jury's opinion she could never have been able to consent to sex, how she could consent to one and not the other always baffled me but I wasnt on the jury.

this isnt rape as in most people consider rape, this is an argument of drunken consent and whether that is a defence or not.

is this girl a victim of her own drunkenness or is Evans guilty of taking advantage of a situation where he should have used better judgement.


As for the girl and peverting the course of justice again it would be for the CPS to prove she did consent and she was able to give that consent therefore she did cry rape

It seems odd to me that being drunk is an excuse to say you can't give consent, but presumably Ched was drunk too so surely that could be an argument that he wasn't in a state to use better judgement?

yes it will be calculated on how long hes spent in prison and damages caused, he could also sue the girl who accused him if he wanted.

the girl would also go to court and face charges of perverting the course of justice if found to be lying.

I doubt she's lying. I just doubt her telling the truth as well. I don't think she has a clue what happened. According to various sources she was so wasted she cant remember much and if that the case then her credibility as a witness is blown. The case should have been dismissed.

maybe but the case would have had to go to trial anyway, she claimed rape, there is evidence of sexual activity, there is evidence that Evans had sex with this girl. was it rape is the big question. from what I remember from the case, that they considered the fact that she was so wasted in the jury's opinion she could never have been able to consent to sex, how she could consent to one and not the other always baffled me but I wasnt on the jury.

this isnt rape as in most people consider rape, this is an argument of drunken consent and whether that is a defence or not.

is this girl a victim of her own drunkenness or is Evans guilty of taking advantage of a situation where he should have used better judgement.


As for the girl and peverting the course of justice again it would be for the CPS to prove she did consent and she was able to give that consent therefore she did cry rape

It seems odd to me that being drunk is an excuse to say you can't give consent, but presumably Ched was drunk too so surely that could be an argument that he wasn't in a state to use better judgement?

ah doesnt work like that (for men anyway) otherwise every drunk crime could be defended on the grounds of had I been sober I would have exercised better judgement

maybe but the case would have had to go to trial anyway, she claimed rape, there is evidence of sexual activity, there is evidence that Evans had sex with this girl. was it rape is the big question. from what I remember from the case, that they considered the fact that she was so wasted in the jury's opinion she could never have been able to consent to sex, how she could consent to one and not the other always baffled me but I wasnt on the jury.

this isnt rape as in most people consider rape, this is an argument of drunken consent and whether that is a defence or not.

is this girl a victim of her own drunkenness or is Evans guilty of taking advantage of a situation where he should have used better judgement.

As for the girl and peverting the course of justice again it would be for the CPS to prove she did consent and she was able to give that consent therefore she did cry rape

Fair post and good read Jonny. In response to the part in bold i'd say she was stupid and a victim of her own drunkenness but its almost impossible to tell whether Evans took advantage of her state. Based on her alleged state and the fact she cant recollect much of what transpired that night, I'd say theres a lot of reasonable doubt there, and therefore I cant see how he was prosecuted.

maybe but the case would have had to go to trial anyway, she claimed rape, there is evidence of sexual activity, there is evidence that Evans had sex with this girl. was it rape is the big question. from what I remember from the case, that they considered the fact that she was so wasted in the jury's opinion she could never have been able to consent to sex, how she could consent to one and not the other always baffled me but I wasnt on the jury.

this isnt rape as in most people consider rape, this is an argument of drunken consent and whether that is a defence or not.

is this girl a victim of her own drunkenness or is Evans guilty of taking advantage of a situation where he should have used better judgement.

As for the girl and peverting the course of justice again it would be for the CPS to prove she did consent and she was able to give that consent therefore she did cry rape

Fair post and good read Jonny. In response to the part in bold i'd say she was stupid and a victim of her own drunkenness but its almost impossible to tell whether Evans took advantage of her state. Based on her alleged state and the fact she cant recollect much of what transpired that night, I'd say theres a lot of reasonable doubt there, and therefore I cant see how he was prosecuted.

well it is impossible, bar a recording of the whole incident it is effectively one persons word against another, its why rape cases rarely get convictions because like you say it is very easy to show reasonable doubt.

this is why our jury system is so vital, they are the common sense element. if what this journalist is saying is true that evidence was hidden from the courts then he has a case.

How a jury could convict him "beyond reasonable doubt" in the state she was in, probably self inflicted ,is beyond me. Must have been a female biased jury I suspect.

Very good and reasoned debate from Jonny, Green Arrow and others.

I recall the argument put forward at the time, as Jonny has put forward today.

I may be wrong, but wasn't there also someone recording some of what happens on a mobile phone and also the evidence given by the reception staff at the hotel, the very drunk girl, Evans and the other man involved. Not sure if the taxi driver gave evidence as he may have possibly been able to indicate IF the girl had been giving implied consent (not sure if that is a legal definition), during the taxi ride.

A woman has a right to refuse any time prior to the point of entry and also to refuse to further participate during intercourse. It is rare, but still her right.

So even IF the taxi driver, reception staff, the other fella and Evans all believed she wanted intercourse with Evans, IF she changed her mind right at the last second (even though she was barely conscious), or during it if she felt matters were not going the way she expected, then she has in effect been raped.

Now the mitigating circumstances of, IF she had led him every step of the way to believe she wanted intercourse with Evans, but by the time of her actually saying or gesturing for him to stop, he too was so drunk that it rendered him unable to recognise her gestures, then that potentially could be a grey area, perhaps !

Justice for Ched.