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I do have concerns that going through a transitional period

Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:11 am

I believe the squad does need tweaking and strengthening but I do have concerns that going through a transitional period smack in the middle of a relegation battle could be disastrous for our Premier League status.
By Carl Curtis
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It is not about the influx of players, as most City fans will agree we need more flair and strength in depth. But will the new style of play, tactics and getting the squad to believe in a new system that Ole likes to use prove too much of change at this time of the season?
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-6569274

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:29 am

The way i see it we can't be any worse off than we are at the moment, the new players will either keep us up or we go down regardless because there was no way in hell we were staying up with our current players.
It's a huge gable and one we have no choice but to take

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:08 am

That's right. It's not like pre-season, when players have time and pre-season games to settle in. In this transfer window new signings have to hit the ground running, especially for clubs who seem to be relying on these new signings to kick-start their seasons.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:24 am

stay up or go down "i'll be there" ! just hope we can keep ole if we did go down , we shall see what the future holds, but im excited even if we are bottom of the league , and get your money on the double against the swans ;-) ! beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:28 am

grange-end wrote:stay up or go down "i'll be there" ! just hope we can keep ole if we did go down , we shall see what the future holds, but im excited even if we are bottom of the league , and get your money on the double against the swans ;-) ! beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol

I'm sure ole will hang around if you go down. There are 80 000 reasons why he'd want to stay.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:40 am

Jack10 wrote:
grange-end wrote:stay up or go down "i'll be there" ! just hope we can keep ole if we did go down , we shall see what the future holds, but im excited even if we are bottom of the league , and get your money on the double against the swans ;-) ! beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol

I'm sure ole will hang around if you go down. There are 80 000 reasons why he'd want to stay.


I would think his reputation would mean more to him.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:56 am

I do believe the change in style of play right in the middle of the season will cause OGS some serious problems. Hence why getting rid of Malky probobly will lead to our relegation this season. I hope Im wrong.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:06 am

Carpe Diem wrote:
Jack10 wrote:
grange-end wrote:stay up or go down "i'll be there" ! just hope we can keep ole if we did go down , we shall see what the future holds, but im excited even if we are bottom of the league , and get your money on the double against the swans ;-) ! beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol

I'm sure ole will hang around if you go down. There are 80 000 reasons why he'd want to stay.


I would think his reputation would mean more to him.

Let's be honest if he takes you down, what club will want him and pay him £80 000 a week.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:07 am

the system we had under Malky obviously wasnt working, otherwise we wouldnt be where we are, a change will hopefully do us the world of good, and keep the players on their toes, and get us out of the relegation places

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:11 am

Forever Blue wrote:I believe the squad does need tweaking and strengthening but I do have concerns that going through a transitional period smack in the middle of a relegation battle could be disastrous for our Premier League status.
By Carl Curtis
link
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-6569274

It is not about the influx of players, as most City fans will agree we need more flair and strength in depth. But will the new style of play, tactics and getting the squad to believe in a new system that Ole likes to use prove too much of change at this time of the season?
link
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-6569274


The style had to change if there is to be any chance of survival. People can complicate football all they want but the reality is you have to score goals to win games and under Malky we were scoring less than a goal a game conceding the majority of our goals in the last 15 minutes of our matches including the first half capitulations against Liverpool and Southampton.
We were also on a run away from home where we scored one goal in 5 matches.
Having watched a few videos of molde over the last week it seems ole likes his teams to counter attack at pace which would give us a far better chance of survival I believe than malkys try not to concede and nick something from a set piece tactic.
The encouraging thing for me is that away games under ole has seen us score twice in each game which means we are at least being competitive and I believe to survive we are going to have to win a couple of games away from the ccs because our home points alone will not keep us up.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:40 am

I'm not worried about a "transitional period" at all. Fact is, watch the team play now and you'll see the shackles are off, and the players are clearly enjoying the new style of play. Even bloody Whitts looked happy against Man City, and that guy hasn't looked confident in months.

Personally, I think the players wanted to play this way all along, and probably didn't realise
after defending their asses off against Man City in August, that Malky planned to have them do that EVERY game.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:50 am

It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:50 am

beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol


No need of the lol.Its a very important point.Thats why even though we are bottom I dont class it has a relegation battle yet.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:12 am

Bakedalasker wrote:It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.


Tan sabotaged his own club and is directly accountable for the collapse in morale and team spirit which was our strength under Malky. Tan saw to it that the wheels came off after Fulham and this is very likely to cost us our Premier League place.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:55 am

Ordinarily I'd agree with the sentiments here but our squad is so woefully short of Premiership quality it needs fixing fast. I'm starting to believe in Ole after being apprehensive with his tactics in the WHU game.

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:03 am

1899 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.


Tan sabotaged his own club and is directly accountable for the collapse in morale and team spirit which was our strength under Malky. Tan saw to it that the wheels came off after Fulham and this is very likely to cost us our Premier League place.


What annoys me about replies like this is that it explains my thinking a lot better and in not so many words.

Absolutely spot on reply.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:17 am

Oh well perhaps we should have stuck with Malky and only score in 3 out of 8 games. :roll:

This is one of the best leagues in the world working hard alone wont keep you up.

Blaming Tan for the god awful tactics is the biggest load of shit ive heard since blaming Tan for tge Acorn signing :laughing5:

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:23 am

Mario Polotelli wrote:Oh well perhaps we should have stuck with Malky and only score in 3 out of 8 games. :roll:

This is one of the best leagues in the world working hard alone wont keep you up.

Blaming Tan for the god awful tactics is the biggest load of shit ive heard since blaming Tan for tge Acorn signing :laughing5:


But no getting away from the fact since he got involved in the dressing room the results have not been good.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:34 am

Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:38 am

Mario Polotelli wrote:Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.


Could argue the same about your dislike for Malkys tactics.

Until that moment the results were going well.

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:41 am

Bakedalasker wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.


Could argue the same about your dislike for Malkys tactics.

Until that moment the results were going well.

5 points out of 24 in his last 8 games.

Only scored in 3 of those 8 games.

So I back up my dislike of his tactics with logic.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:41 am

It may be we need to take one step backwards (relegation) to take two steps forward (Promotion with a style of football that keeps us in the Premier League) Ole wants modern football, its modern possession offensive football that keeps a team in the Premier League. Our hope that we dont have to take the one step backwards, avoid relegation & take the two steps forward next season. :ayatollah:

Dont think I want to be a boring mid table PL team :laughing6:

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:41 am

Bakedalasker wrote:
1899 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.


Tan sabotaged his own club and is directly accountable for the collapse in morale and team spirit which was our strength under Malky. Tan saw to it that the wheels came off after Fulham and this is very likely to cost us our Premier League place.


What annoys me about replies like this is that it explains my thinking a lot better and in not so many words.

Absolutely spot on reply.


What annoys me about replies like this, is that it's all based on tittle tattle.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:43 am

In my opinion, and despite having spent over £30m in the summer, we were destined for relegation because our head of player recruitment failed to identify and sign players with PL experience and more importantly a player to score the goals needed to keep us in the league.

Add to this the philosophy of our manager where the only plan was to do "The right things when we didn't have the ball" with few options when we did have the ball, other than pass it backward and sideways in front of our opponents and we had a recipe to deliver relegation.

MM had us organised and no one can say different but his philosophy was to deliver boring sterile football in the hope it would keep us in this league. None of us know for certain if it would have worked or not but history would tell you that teams that struggle to score tend to get relegated.

OLE has no option in my opinion other than to try and buy in the players with PL experience and hopefully a player to score the goals to keep us in this league. That was down to Moody and MM in the summer and they failed completely.




:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:43 am

Jack10 wrote:
grange-end wrote:stay up or go down "i'll be there" ! just hope we can keep ole if we did go down , we shall see what the future holds, but im excited even if we are bottom of the league , and get your money on the double against the swans ;-) ! beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol

I'm sure ole will hang around if you go down. There are 80 000 reasons why he'd want to stay.


Ole was listed as one of the richest people in football, so a. His career and rep mean more and b. He'd get paid similar from other clubs

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:46 am

Jack10 wrote:
grange-end wrote:stay up or go down "i'll be there" ! just hope we can keep ole if we did go down , we shall see what the future holds, but im excited even if we are bottom of the league , and get your money on the double against the swans ;-) ! beat norwich swansea and we will be mid table lol

I'm sure ole will hang around if you go down. There are 80 000 reasons why he'd want to stay.


Ole was listed as one of the richest people in football, so a. His career and rep mean more and b. He'd get paid similar from other clubs

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:52 am

Spot on Castleblue and whilst it got us some results early doors (even though we had Marshall to thank for most of those points) the last 3 months our style had been found out and we were paying the price for our frigid attack.

As i said hard work alone wont work in this division. Thanks to giving so much pisession away our midfield looked fucked before xmas they were so exhausted. Medel especially.

To summarise it was our lack if attacking play / goals, turning posession over to the oppisition to easily thus causing tired legs / tired minds, and Marshall not being able to be Superman every game that was the reason for the downturn in results and one way ticket to the bottom of the table,not Tan being pissed at the spending of the funds.

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:54 am

castleblue wrote:In my opinion, and despite having spent over £30m in the summer, we were destined for relegation because our head of player recruitment failed to identify and sign players with PL experience and more importantly a player to score the goals needed to keep us in the league.

Add to this the philosophy of our manager where the only plan was to do "The right things when we didn't have the ball" with few options when we did have the ball, other than pass it backward and sideways in front of our opponents and we had a recipe to deliver relegation.

MM had us organised and no one can say different but his philosophy was to deliver boring sterile football in the hope it would keep us in this league. None of us know for certain if it would have worked or not but history would tell you that teams that struggle to score tend to get relegated.

OLE has no option in my opinion other than to try and buy in the players with PL experience and hopefully a player to score the goals to keep us in this league. That was down to Moody and MM in the summer and they failed completely.




:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


There is one thing that people tend to forget within this matter and that is the quality of opposition we were up against before it all started to go wrong.

Man City, Everton, Tottenham, all aiming for top 6. Not amny teams were scoring against them at the time. Not many teams have scored 3 against Man City this season.

Our fixture list was a bit unfair to us at the start. The difficult teams we had at home and the easier teams away.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:56 am

Yes all the changes and players brought in now in the middle of the season is a worry but the alternative if nothing was done was relegation imo.Teams should really just be adding one may be two two players but our team was lacking in so many areas it has to be done.

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Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:02 pm

I counter the harder home games argument by pointing out we didnt score and barely created any chances in away games at West Ham, Villa, Norwich, Stoke and Palace. 2 points out of those 5 games is just not good enough.

Even if you add the 3 goals and 4 points gained at Hull and Fulham thats just 3 goals and 6 points in 7 away matches against our relegation rivals. Thats pathetic to be honest but what do you expect with such a defensive set up.