Zulu and Men of Harlech

Just now on the one show,in roukes drift more English than welsh there and they did sing men of harlech - GUTTED

Ivor Emmanuel ,a very Welshman,started the chorus of men of Harlech.
Glyn Edwards took the part of another Welshman,I think they were known as jones number 1,and jones number 2,

Sorry I meant to write didn't sing men of harlech!

The disgraceful part of this story is that Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead VC who Michael Caine portrayed in the film died from fever some 8 years later in India. Three to four years back an Indian military man was looking through an old colonial 'overgrown and unkempt cemetery in India when he came across Bromhead's grave. He was surprised and equally shocked to see the headstone that had virtually topped over. Fair play to this man, he had seen the film and knew the story and he was attempting to do something about repairing it - I don't know if he did or not. had this been an american hero, they would have exhumed his body and returned him home! I find this disgraceful and very sad to be honest! Chard ( Stanley Baker in the film) died of throat cancer.

The battle of Rorkes Drift started in the late afternoon on the 22nd january 1879. That same morning, the camp at Isandlwana which was less than 10 miles from the drift was overrun by some 20,000 Zulus ( this is depicted in the other film Zulu Dawn) killing some 800 red coats and a further 500 colonial and native troops. Around 50 or so escaped from this battle and 2 officers on horseback escaped with the queens colour ( Flag). In this film they show that the Zulus capture the flag and one of the officers shoots one carrying it and it falls into the river. This did not happen. It was lost when the 2 officers tried crossing the Tugela river and it was swept downstream. The 2 officers were Lt's Melville and Coghill. They were attacked and killed when they crossed the river. The flag was found 2 weeks later wedged between dried rocks. That flag is now encased at Brecon cathedral!

Lastly. the action at Rorkes Drift came about because of the reserve's of the Zulu army, numbering some 4000 warriors were kept back and missed the action at Isandlwana in the late morning. So they decided to get some action by attacking the drift. They were warned by their King against attacking well defended positions. They ignored this advice to their cost!
I cannot recite his name, but one welshman had nightmares for years after the action and ended is own life some years later.

Just now on the one show,in roukes drift more English than welsh there and they did sing men of harlech - GUTTED

The English could'nt have done much of the fighting then. When you tot up the gongs handed out. The majority went to non English.

Just now on the one show,in roukes drift more English than welsh there and they did sing men of harlech - GUTTED

The English could'nt have done much of the fighting then. When you tot up the gongs handed out. The majority went to non English.

The amount of VC's handed out was unprecedented in British history. I'm not saying they were not all deserved, but there is no doubt that the 'embarrassment' of Isandlwana earlier in the day contributed to more been given than normal. I have no doubt that a few VC's were earned at Isandlwana ( Captain Younghusbands and Colonel Durnfords last stands) for example. But the enemy's word is not good enough - it must be witnessed by our own - and unfortunately the witnesses all died!

The disgraceful part of this story is that Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead VC who Michael Caine portrayed in the film died from fever some 8 years later in India. Three to four years back an Indian military man was looking through an old colonial 'overgrown and unkempt cemetery in India when he came across Bromhead's grave. He was surprised and equally shocked to see the headstone that had virtually topped over. Fair play to this man, he had seen the film and knew the story and he was attempting to do something about repairing it - I don't know if he did or not. had this been an american hero, they would have exhumed his body and returned him home! I find this disgraceful and very sad to be honest! Chard ( Stanley Baker in the film) died of throat cancer.

He wasn't the only one badly treated, the guy from the Swiss guard went straight back to cape town after the war but was left homeless and died of phlemonia a few months later

The disgraceful part of this story is that Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead VC who Michael Caine portrayed in the film died from fever some 8 years later in India. Three to four years back an Indian military man was looking through an old colonial 'overgrown and unkempt cemetery in India when he came across Bromhead's grave. He was surprised and equally shocked to see the headstone that had virtually topped over. Fair play to this man, he had seen the film and knew the story and he was attempting to do something about repairing it - I don't know if he did or not. had this been an american hero, they would have exhumed his body and returned him home! I find this disgraceful and very sad to be honest! Chard ( Stanley Baker in the film) died of throat cancer.

He wasn't the only one badly treated, the guy from the Swiss guard went straight back to cape town after the war but was left homeless and died of phlemonia a few months later

Didn't after WW1 the country was going to be a country fit for heroes? That didn't happen either

About a year ago, I had the ring tone on my phone of Men of Harlech being sung in the background and Michael Caines voice shouting: at 100 yards, volley fire present, aim, fire and the sound of guns firing. It used to embarrass the Misses every time it went off and I had to get rid

The disgraceful part of this story is that Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead VC who Michael Caine portrayed in the film died from fever some 8 years later in India. Three to four years back an Indian military man was looking through an old colonial 'overgrown and unkempt cemetery in India when he came across Bromhead's grave. He was surprised and equally shocked to see the headstone that had virtually topped over. Fair play to this man, he had seen the film and knew the story and he was attempting to do something about repairing it - I don't know if he did or not. had this been an american hero, they would have exhumed his body and returned him home! I find this disgraceful and very sad to be honest! Chard ( Stanley Baker in the film) died of throat cancer.

He wasn't the only one badly treated, the guy from the Swiss guard went straight back to cape town after the war but was left homeless and died of phlemonia a few months later

Didn't after WW1 the country was going to be a country fit for heroes? That didn't happen either

No we just make one direction famous instead

The Famous Spoin Kop also has it's routes in the SA conflict. Always wondered why the name was taken by football clubs when in realty it is linked to a famous military blunder. Try telling that to the skallies!! See link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Spion_Kop

It was the royal Welsh tho based in brecan, correct me if I'm wrong?
Lets just pretend there was more welsh shhhh

It was the royal Welsh tho based in brecan, correct me if I'm wrong?
Lets just pretend there was more welsh shhhh

It was the royal Welsh tho based in brecan, correct me if I'm wrong?
Lets just pretend there was more welsh shhhh

They used to be called the Royal Welch Fusiliers and the Royal Regiment of Wales. Which were good sounding names.
The same happened to The Royal Green Jackets who became 'The Rifles' there was no need to change the names in the first place. We used to have an army as well, but under the cuts we'll become a militia or an home guard force
Never mind, they keep shipping billions out in aid ( Cameron wants us to become a foreign aid superpower) while our armed forces decline into insignificance! The chinese and russians must be laughing their socks off at the eccentric behaviour of our useful idiots

The men of the 24th Regiment of Foot who fought at Islandwhana and Rourkes Drift were part of the Warwickshire Regiment that later became the South Wales Borderers, then in about 1969 became the Royal Regiment of Wales (RRW).

The 23rd of Foot were the Royal Welch Fusiliers, who remained so until amalgamated with the RRW and now form the Royal Welsh.

Pity we could not almalgamate some of the politicians who made these stupid changes

The men of the 24th Regiment of Foot who fought at Islandwhana and Rourkes Drift were part of the Warwickshire Regiment that later became the South Wales Borderers, then in about 1969 became the Royal Regiment of Wales (RRW).

The 23rd of Foot were the Royal Welch Fusiliers, who remained so until amalgamated with the RRW and now form the Royal Welsh.

Pity we could not almalgamate some of the politicians who made these stupid changes

You're not wrong buddy. Changing the subject as I'm still angry from yesterday. I served 4 yrs 4 months and i found out yesterday I get no pension - diddly squat! I came out in 82 and the rules changed in 88 - that you now only need to serve 2 years to get a pension from that time onwards - not backdated. They told me before it was minimum 5 years. My service consisted of active service and I was daft enough to volunteer for the Falklands ( although I never went). However that means you can get someone today who does 2 years service and never leaves barracks in the UK for example and is entitled to pension, and others like me who risked everything and get nothing!!! I'm really pissed about this and intend taking it up with my MP!

and none of the Zulus were from brum

and none of the Zulus were from brum

All recruited in Wolverhampton ,that's how they got their nickname.

Come to BRECON where I live and tell us it aint welsh
same old shit english trying to save face again

Born and brought up in Brecon, spent many many hours in the 24th Regiment of Foot musuem days probably. As a kid, probably late sixties early seventies saw the pass out parades, Chief Buthelezi turned up to one of them during the apartheid days. Formally presented some belongings of the soldiers that died at Islandlwana to the musuem. All the VC's except for one or two are on display, they're copies obviously but they do have the originals.

Well worth a visit.

http://royalwelsh.org.uk/regimental-mus ... elsh.shtml

It was the royal Welsh tho based in brecan, correct me if I'm wrong?
Lets just pretend there was more welsh shhhh

They used to be called the Royal Welch Fusiliers and the Royal Regiment of Wales. Which were good sounding names.
The same happened to The Royal Green Jackets who became 'The Rifles' there was no need to change the names in the first place. We used to have an army as well, but under the cuts we'll become a militia or an home guard force
Never mind, they keep shipping billions out in aid ( Cameron wants us to become a foreign aid superpower) while our armed forces decline into insignificance! The chinese and russians must be laughing their socks off at the eccentric behaviour of our useful idiots

Cheers mate, that's alright im in the RAF might get to visit some nice sunny places without getting shot at then

[quote="bigb"]Come to BRECON where I live and tell us it aint welsh
same old shit english trying to save face again[/

don't think anyone said Brecon wasn't welsh mate keep your hair on.
lots of jack bastards up there tho