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Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:43 pm

Malky has my respect for getting us promotion from arguably the most difficult league in Europe to get out of. There is no doubt that he is a good CHAMPIONSHIP manager, with his work ethic and obsession for hard working players, however, it has not worked in this league. His lack of premiership knowledge has cost us dear and has left us in a mess with a lot of poor players. He has bought extremely badly, basically buying championship players and spending way too much money for them.
I do think OGS will keep us up but he needs to buy well. OGS knows how to play this league, with pace up the flanks and attacking wing backs, so Zaha and Fabio or such like players are essential for survival. 2 attacking wing backs and a quick attack minded winger to compliment Noone. As we saw yesterday, playing this way will cause even the best team in Europe defensive problems. He also needs to stamp out Malky's defensive style of allowing opposition players to run at us for 20 - 30 yards and then trying to stop them just ahead of the 18 yard box, just like they did yesterday which resulted in a goal. We need to press up on the opposition players make it difficult and uncomfortable for them.
I don't think a striker is as important at this stage as I think if Campbell is given crosses and balls whipped into and across the box to attack he can and will put them in as he did yesterday. The Jury should be out on Whittingham, I am not convinced that he is up to the premiership. I think Kim may come good sitting behind Campbell with license to attack the box. I would like to see Medel in central defence. Just my opinions on what I have seen so far this season, there is still plenty to play for with 10 clubs still realistically in the relegation dog fight.

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:52 pm

CityBlueBird. wrote:Malky has my respect for getting us promotion from arguably the most difficult league in Europe to get out of. There is no doubt that he is a good CHAMPIONSHIP manager, with his work ethic and obsession for hard working players, however, it has not worked in this league. His lack of premiership knowledge has cost us dear and has left us in a mess with a lot of poor players. He has bought extremely badly, basically buying championship players and spending way too much money for them.
I do think OGS will keep us up but he needs to buy well. OGS knows how to play this league, with pace up the flanks and attacking wing backs, so Zaha and Fabio or such like players are essential for survival. 2 attacking wing backs and a quick attack minded winger to compliment Noone. As we saw yesterday, playing this way will cause even the best team in Europe defensive problems. He also needs to stamp out Malky's defensive style of allowing opposition players to run at us for 20 - 30 yards and then trying to stop them just ahead of the 18 yard box, just like they did yesterday which resulted in a goal. We need to press up on the opposition players make it difficult and uncomfortable for them.
I don't think a striker is as important at this stage as I think if Campbell is given crosses and balls whipped into and across the box to attack he can and will put them in as he did yesterday. The Jury should be out on Whittingham, I am not convinced that he is up to the premiership. I think Kim may come good sitting behind Campbell with license to attack the box. I would like to see Medel in central defence. Just my opinions on what I have seen so far this season, there is still plenty to play for with 10 clubs still realistically in the relegation dog fight.


Malkys spending can be summed up by OGS team selection in Newcastle

Marshall
Mcnaughton
John
Whittingham
Hudson

and its not he put a rag side out in the FA cup either,as all 5 have feature since.

how the f**k could he sign 34 players,and the team not consist of at the very least 9 Malky players.
especially as all his loyal followers consistently bring up how poor the squad he was left was......

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:59 pm

Where does Medel play for Chile?

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:05 pm

llangainbluebird wrote:Where does Medel play for Chile?


i think he has played CB and DMF..............i believe he would b a quick fix at CB, but why not just buy one?

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:13 pm

soulofthesea wrote:
llangainbluebird wrote:Where does Medel play for Chile?


i think he has played CB and DMF..............i believe he would b a quick fix at CB, but why not just buy one?


Can't help feeling that he's a bit short for a central defender. And has he got the pace? Reads the game very well, though, and would not be out-muscled too often.

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:14 pm

When Mackay took over we had about 10 players in the squad.

Solksjaer was in charge for West Ham and Man City. Stop finding excuses for him.

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:21 pm

Willy-Wonka wrote:When Mackay took over we had about 10 players in the squad.

Solksjaer was in charge for West Ham and Man City. Stop finding excuses for him.


When Mackay took over he was backed to bring his entire home team in near enough. He brought them in and now he's gone still 3 of our best 5 players are Dave Jones signings. Fact.

Marshall - quality in the promotion season and this season - cant do much when the defence is a shambles overall
Hudson - quality in the Championship and still better than Turner - true captain that Malky shafted
Whitts - underrated yet still statistically one of our best players - has contributed loads this season too
Caulker - a Malky signing and a good signing who has done well
Fraizer - Has contributed well at both levels and scored well - Malky signing

Before anyone says Medel you have to be joking. Goes missing often and leaves space all over the pitch to be exploited and thats cost us numerous times. Medel is built up purely because he's a fans favourite, cost a lot etc. and has a high passing rate which is mainly based on the fact that he passes backwards and sideways a lot like Leon Britton.

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:40 pm

Willy-Wonka wrote:When Mackay took over we had about 10 players in the squad.

Solksjaer was in charge for West Ham and Man City. Stop finding excuses for him.


And £50m later OGS inherits a team predominantly championship standard. And how we failed to beat man city when Ole had had one previous league game to get the team playing his way is beyond me :roll:

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:27 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:
Willy-Wonka wrote:When Mackay took over we had about 10 players in the squad.

Solksjaer was in charge for West Ham and Man City. Stop finding excuses for him.


And £50m later OGS inherits a team predominantly championship standard. And how we failed to beat man city when Ole had had one previous league game to get the team playing his way is beyond me :roll:


sounds like everything is ole fault and not the peson who bought the players in 1st place? :lol:

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:02 pm

Willy-Wonka wrote:When Mackay took over we had about 10 players in the squad.

Solksjaer was in charge for West Ham and Man City. Stop finding excuses for him.


what excuses?...........we are done with the RED TIED double decker man..yippeeee

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:03 pm

Willy-Wonka wrote:When Mackay took over we had about 10 players in the squad.

Solksjaer was in charge for West Ham and Man City. Stop finding excuses for him.



quote..........you cant wait for ole to lose a few hahahaha..........anti cardiff chimp

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:14 pm

Malky transformed Hudson when he took over. Yeh he was a DJ signing but Malky made him a better player

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:52 pm

bluebird_mike wrote:Malky transformed Hudson when he took over. Yeh he was a DJ signing but Malky made him a better player

oh..............so it wasnt the fact we played as a team very very deep, and he therefore didnt have people running at him?
DJ wasnt big on defensive midfield, Malky loved it..........

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:59 pm

You'd probably sell your mother for 3 points. Theres more to football than staying up. Like the fact Mackay got us up and always wanted what was best for Cardiff, something you seem to have forgotten. Fans turning like this was always going to happen in ths hyped up, glory hunting prem.

Cba to argue about it, you hate Malky and love Solksjaer. I love Malky and will give Solksjaer a chance.

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:30 pm

Willy-Wonka wrote:You'd probably sell your mother for 3 points. Theres more to football than staying up. Like the fact Mackay got us up and always wanted what was best for Cardiff, something you seem to have forgotten. Fans turning like this was always going to happen in ths hyped up, glory hunting prem.

Cba to argue about it, you hate Malky and love Solksjaer. I love Malky and will give Solksjaer a chance.


so Malky getting us up is the b all and end all?

but its ME that would sell my mum { who happens to have died } for 3 points.
i dont care what division we are in..have supported for 40 odd years...
and wouldnt even under f*cking torture say i hope we lose the next few games hahahaha... because i am broken hearted and pining over an ex manager.
and me..like many..havent turned..........the bloke was false and you gullible.... oh and the football was shit.

Re: Malky's mess

Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:38 pm

So the reds tell us to stop blaming Malky and bring him up all the time and tell us to move on yet they are happy to drag his name through the mud on here. Sickening double standards.

Re: Malky's mess

Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:30 am

TheBlueWillRise wrote:So the reds tell us to stop blaming Malky and bring him up all the time and tell us to move on yet they are happy to drag his name through the mud on here. Sickening double standards.


Malky means blue? your off your head............

Re: Malky's mess

Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:37 am

The fact of the matter is Malky endorsed any club & colour,, as long as the price & opportunity was right for him. Don't forget we poached him from Watford FC, at a price. He simply didn't just walk out on them!

Re: Malky's mess

Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:36 am

soulofthesea wrote:
bluebird_mike wrote:Malky transformed Hudson when he took over. Yeh he was a DJ signing but Malky made him a better player

oh..............so it wasnt the fact we played as a team very very deep, and he therefore didnt have people running at him?
DJ wasnt big on defensive midfield, Malky loved it..........


And with that defensive midfield we got promoted? Not trying to have a go, just saying Malky is a good manager and can't see why people keep having a go at him. End of the day he's gone and he did a good job for us. :ayatollah: :malky:

Re: Malky's mess

Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:46 am

bluebird_mike wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:
bluebird_mike wrote:Malky transformed Hudson when he took over. Yeh he was a DJ signing but Malky made him a better player

oh..............so it wasnt the fact we played as a team very very deep, and he therefore didnt have people running at him?
DJ wasnt big on defensive midfield, Malky loved it..........


And with that defensive midfield we got promoted? Not trying to have a go, just saying Malky is a good manager and can't see why people keep having a go at him. End of the day he's gone and he did a good job for us. :ayatollah: :malky:


my point was regarding Hudson, now you cant have this all ways up.
its pretty obvious the defenders are going to look better the more help you give them..........ffs this is like football for 5 year olds

Re: Malky's mess

Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:56 pm

soulofthesea wrote:
TheBlueWillRise wrote:So the reds tell us to stop blaming Malky and bring him up all the time and tell us to move on yet they are happy to drag his name through the mud on here. Sickening double standards.


Malky means blue? your off your head............


Their certainly seems to be a correlation between support of Malky and support of the return to blue. Reds don't understand loyalty or ethics.

Re: Malky's mess

Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:35 pm

Appreciate MM and he won't be forgotten for a long time.

Came here with only a few players and in his first window done fantastic to bring in the players he did.

His first season he done incredible and I don't think you can really slate him much for what he done.

Got to the Carling Cup Final, people will question our run and how simple it was but in a cup it is very easy to slip up at any cost but we were brilliant in some of the games.

The play offs, we were outclassed and basically bullied. West Ham had the depth and quality, bringing on a fit Nicky Maynard who could cause problems against anyone, Kevin Nolan who is a leader well a good one at the time. Carlton Cole also.

To get play offs and Carling Cup final narrowly losing to Liverpool was a great achievement for what he had when he first came here.

The transfers he made were brilliant. I think Gunnarsson is a top championship player, he can have off days but got a lot of energy. Cowie who has not been too bad in games in the Prem this season but still no where near a Premier League player for me. Turner, young and done well for us, adapted to the Premier League quite well in first 2 months or so but prone to a major error which can cost us the game. Taylor quite consistent and has been a good servant for us for a LB. There are other players to mention like Mason, Harris and Ralls.

Second season the rebrand aside I thought we looked an attractive club to play under, no egos and MM a manager who was making his name a lot and we could achieve promotion under MM.

Transfers we signed Jordon Mutch who was worth the 1-3 million we paid, I feel like he will progress more under Ole but he was growing under MM. Signed Eti which will be regarded as a flop, can't deny it. Got Bellamy in who I believe was a good choice as he did carry us through some games with his work effort. Noone who was a great buy and fairplay to MM he didn't give up on a player. Mentions for Campbell, Smith, Connolly, Helguson and KIM who played their part also and good business IMO.

Pre Season I went to a few games such as Cheltenham, Oxford and Newcastle, I know their only pre season but MM looked like he had the players we had currently fit and ready for the season and Conway was performing brilliantly and progressed more. Taylor looked like he was becoming better and fitting the LB role as his own which he done.

I felt home games we were brilliant at the start of the season for the first few months, playing some really attacking football, games were a joy to watch. Games like Wolves, Leeds, Blackpool, Burnley. Felt there were results which were quite complementary to some teams like Sheffield Wednesday, Hull, Birmingham. MM had the depth to bring players on to change games if needed. The away form was terrible but we had a habit of always getting goals while losing. I think if we had a better away form and not lost some games that MM wouldn't have been so cautious.

I think the 4 wins we had v Leicester, Palace, Millwall and Birmingham were the key results in which we went up.
I went to a lot of games in the second half of the season away's as well as home and MM just seemed to accept the odd goal lead and sat back, it worked because we had the players and energy to do so. MM I think deserves a lot of credit for his business and the players he brought in while improving some. We went up comfortably but don't know if I am the only one this but I felt bit disappointed by some of the performances and results in March/April. It was no doubt amazing to go up and incredible but didn't change the fact I expected 100% from the last few games because the fans paid good money for the few away's etc and the team as a whole seemed quite laid back and were 75% in the game and 25% looking forward to go on Holiday.

So a big window come for us where I thought we needed to out quite a few players to get more in, not too many players out but there was a good 5 I felt should of been shipped out ASAP. I felt Tommy Smith, Etien, Simon Lappin, Gestede should of been gone.. free up the wage bill.. try and make a bit of money off them as I think we paid 250k for Smith and got Gestede and Lappin on a free.
The transfers were quite outstanding well now when you look at the reports on the players we brought in and the wages along with add on's. Cornelius I felt was always risk to start with, excited by him no doubt because of the reports about him from the press and international scouts/bloggers. Caulker big price but couldn't complain as you pay that money for British players who are young, KTC who has been putting in a few bad shifts was not the worst deal and I think he will improve. Medel I think is a great player and if he stays for a few seasons then I hope we can recoup the value for money, hoping.

In terms of MM being in charge, I was fully behind him and thought he could do it, I felt away results and performances were the killer for MM, I felt like we could of easily got at least 2 wins v Stoke who were there for the taking and Norwich but we didn't set up for a win or to even pinch a goal and I felt like a few players were isolated to play to their ability. He should of used Noone more, we needed a winger. I will give him credit for the Man City game as he frustrated them and he was in advantage to have them so early on being our first home fixture, Swansea we were simply in full gear and the team wanted it, he himself MM wanted us to win and by a few goals because we were going for it even after Caulkers goal. Fulham away, we outplayed them but my word they were dire, along with their supporters.

I think MM is too stubborn and he really needs to change his system from time to time.. needs to give some players more freedom.. He needs to be at least slightly tactical, wouldn't really class the banks 4 and organised and frustrating them like the Man City game tactical because it used a lot.

Also if he wants to make it and push on, he really needs to work with a ego like player or an arrogant player. I like his approach in how he wants a player in terms of off and on the field but I feel you have to sometimes work with players such as Ravel Morrison for example, you got to be prepared to take a risk and work with players like them because they can be changed etc.

The situation in how he was sacked was all mishandled and it would of been nice to just sack him end of, the fact he was still manager but was in the position which was impossible to come back from just made it more upsetting really for the club.

Overall I think the sack for MM was the right choice for me, sad to say it but I feel we can get something away in some games left now under Ole.

Re: Malky's mess

Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:03 pm

TheBlueWillRise wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:
TheBlueWillRise wrote:So the reds tell us to stop blaming Malky and bring him up all the time and tell us to move on yet they are happy to drag his name through the mud on here. Sickening double standards.


Malky means blue? your off your head............


Their certainly seems to be a correlation between support of Malky and support of the return to blue. Reds don't understand loyalty or ethics.


you must be a f*cking red them dumbo