Gray claims Cardiff destined for the drop

Michael Gray reflects on all of Saturday's Premier League action and claims Cardiff are destined to drop into the Championship after witnessing their defeat at Manchester City.

The Bluebirds are bottom of the table following their 4-2 loss at the Etihad Stadium.

And former Premier League star Gray, speaking on the Weekend Sports Breakfast, says he cannot see new manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer keeping the Welsh club up.

"He has taken a tough job on there. It is going to be hard for them to get out of that bottom three," said Gray.

"When you are a newly-promoted side and you do get dragged into it, the players start worrying about it. To be honest, I think they may stay there for the rest of the season."


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Yeah it's nearly impossible to get out of the bottom 3 when a single draw is enough to get us out on its own .

We are no worse than anybody in that bottom 6 and more than capable of beating all of them

I know these pundits think they know football but some of the shit they come up with is unbelievable.

They all spunk over the Jacks but carve us up .. do we give a f**k .. NO - we just go out and prove them wrong.

I won't lose sleep over his thoughts.

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

Michael Gray reflects on all of Saturday's Premier League action and claims Cardiff are destined to drop into the Championship after witnessing their defeat at Manchester City.

The Bluebirds are bottom of the table following their 4-2 loss at the Etihad Stadium.

And former Premier League star Gray, speaking on the Weekend Sports Breakfast, says he cannot see new manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer keeping the Welsh club up.

"He has taken a tough job on there. It is going to be hard for them to get out of that bottom three," said Gray.

"When you are a newly-promoted side and you do get dragged into it, the players start worrying about it. To be honest, I think they may stay there for the rest of the season."


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One question; Who TF is Michael Gray????

He's right. It'll take a miracle to keep us up now. We don't have the quality in depth to stay up at all. We don't have enough quality in the first team either. Time for fans to get real.

Who?

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

Michael Gray reflects on all of Saturday's Premier League action and claims Cardiff are destined to drop into the Championship after witnessing their defeat at Manchester City.

The Bluebirds are bottom of the table following their 4-2 loss at the Etihad Stadium.

And former Premier League star Gray, speaking on the Weekend Sports Breakfast, says he cannot see new manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer keeping the Welsh club up.

"He has taken a tough job on there. It is going to be hard for them to get out of that bottom three," said Gray.

"When you are a newly-promoted side and you do get dragged into it, the players start worrying about it. To be honest, I think they may stay there for the rest of the season."


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He needs to do his job properly and study the future fixtures rather than just say, they are a newly promoted team so it will be hard to get out of the bottom three.......

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

He's right. It'll take a miracle to keep us up now. We don't have the quality in depth to stay up at all. We don't have enough quality in the first team either. Time for fans to get real.

You've got to be the most miserable poster on here.. are you ever positive about ANYTHING?

He's right. It'll take a miracle to keep us up now. We don't have the quality in depth to stay up at all. We don't have enough quality in the first team either. Time for fans to get real.

You've got to be the most miserable poster on here.. are you ever positive about ANYTHING?

There's a few who can give him a run for his money

Ha, true, I swear some of the jacks on here have more faith than some of our lot. Half the season left, 6 points from mid to bottom and some people are quitting. Unreal!

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

Your only credible result this season has been against Newcastle, you are underforming and you know it

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

Your only credible result this season has been against Newcastle, you are underforming and you know it

Man Utd in the cup wasn't bad! I would agree, though, that in the league we haven't performed as well as we could. But having nine players out is bound to have an effect

He's right. It'll take a miracle to keep us up now. We don't have the quality in depth to stay up at all. We don't have enough quality in the first team either. Time for fans to get real.

You've got to be the most miserable poster on here.. are you ever positive about ANYTHING?

We're going to win the World Cup. Hows that?

Sorry for being honest. I think we're going down and it looks that way as we're rock bottom. Shock horror for me thinking a team rock bottom is going to go down. Who'd have thought it aye?

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

So the question is " do you think that teams will underestimate you?" and your answer is "No" As I said, silly post. By the way, why is that whenever I tie you up in knots with logic it's because I'm obsessed?

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

So the question is " do you think that teams will underestimate you?" and your answer is "No" As I said, silly post. By the way, why is that whenever I tie you up in knots with logic it's because I'm obsessed?

You've taken a hypothetical post as fact, that's your problem. I said no in reference to you saying that the original poster claimed that it was a certainty that managers will underestimate us, when in reality he didn't. He said he was hopeful. Teams may get into a false sense of a certain win, it's human nature at times that you can assume wins. I feel man city underestimated us at the start if the season, the same goes with Chelsea at home to crystal palace, even though they won, it was more hard work than it should have been.

You are obsessed. Why would you be on your rivals forum with a name like 'premier' jacks, joining when you got to the premier league? It's a bit of a inferiority complex that you feel the need to come on here even though you had just been promoted? How sad. You can wriggle your way out all you like but coming on your rivals forum for kicks is obsessive any way you look at it.

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

So the question is " do you think that teams will underestimate you?" and your answer is "No" As I said, silly post. By the way, why is that whenever I tie you up in knots with logic it's because I'm obsessed?

You've taken a hypothetical post as fact, that's your problem. I said no in reference to you saying that the original poster claimed that it was a certainty that managers will underestimate us, when in reality he didn't. He said he was hopeful. Teams may get into a false sense of a certain win, it's human nature at times that you can assume wins. I feel man city underestimated us at the start if the season, the same goes with Chelsea at home to crystal palace, even though they won, it was more hard work than it should have been.

You are obsessed. Why would you be on your rivals forum with a name like 'premier' jacks, joining when you got to the premier league? It's a bit of a inferiority complex that you feel the need to come on here even though you had just been promoted? How sad. You can wriggle your way out all you like but coming on your rivals forum for kicks is obsessive any way you look at it.

The idea that other teams, whether definitely or hopefully, will underestimate another side is ridiculous. Man City didn't underestimate you, they were awful! PL teams have a large scouting staff to ensure that that underestimation never happens. Sometimes teams just have a bad day. Do you think that the Cardiff staff are so unprofessional as to have underestimated Sunderland or West Ham? Of course not. The Sunderland game was down to the players taking their feet off the gas when they assumed the game was won. Against West Ham you were awful, as we were against you. This league is a multi-million pound industry, where teams use any method possible to gain an edge on an opponent, so to suggest underestimation is ludicrous

PremierJacks you're getting relegated with us. Difference for you is you think you're a big prem club now you've been up there for years you'll all be crying again once you have to go to Blackpool again. Cant wait to see you relegated.

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

So the question is " do you think that teams will underestimate you?" and your answer is "No" As I said, silly post. By the way, why is that whenever I tie you up in knots with logic it's because I'm obsessed?

You've taken a hypothetical post as fact, that's your problem. I said no in reference to you saying that the original poster claimed that it was a certainty that managers will underestimate us, when in reality he didn't. He said he was hopeful. Teams may get into a false sense of a certain win, it's human nature at times that you can assume wins. I feel man city underestimated us at the start if the season, the same goes with Chelsea at home to crystal palace, even though they won, it was more hard work than it should have been.

You are obsessed. Why would you be on your rivals forum with a name like 'premier' jacks, joining when you got to the premier league? It's a bit of a inferiority complex that you feel the need to come on here even though you had just been promoted? How sad. You can wriggle your way out all you like but coming on your rivals forum for kicks is obsessive any way you look at it.

The idea that other teams, whether definitely or hopefully, will underestimate another side is ridiculous. Man City didn't underestimate you, they were awful! PL teams have a large scouting staff to ensure that that underestimation never happens. Sometimes teams just have a bad day. Do you think that the Cardiff staff are so unprofessional as to have underestimated Sunderland or West Ham? Of course not. The Sunderland game was down to the players taking their feet off the gas when they assumed the game was won. Against West Ham you were awful, as we were against you. This league is a multi-million pound industry, where teams use any method possible to gain an edge on an opponent, so to suggest underestimation is ludicrous

See you're mis-reading again. I never mentioned staff at all. Players can mis underestimate teams. It's human nature, no matter who you are and preparation done, you can still take things for granted. Players will be more up for 'big teams' than smaller sides who they're expected to beat and that's a fact. You were poor against us, but the more I see of you this season, the more I think that you're not that good and last season was a big over achievement. You can claim injuries play a factor, but you have a much bigger squad, with 'better quality' ,so injuries shouldn't be an excuse really. Man City I feel thought just thought they could turn up and win, no disrespect to us as we played well and limited them to certain areas. However yesterday, you could see the difference in mental attitude compared to the start of the season.

PremierJacks you're getting relegated with us. Difference for you is you think you're a big prem club now you've been up there for years you'll all be crying again once you have to go to Blackpool again. Cant wait to see you relegated.

Well that may well be the case, but for the little old fishing village, we're just living the dream whilst we're in the PL for as long as it lasts. For you, the capital city of Wales and potential massive club, surely being in the PL should be a given. But apparently not..............

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

So the question is " do you think that teams will underestimate you?" and your answer is "No" As I said, silly post. By the way, why is that whenever I tie you up in knots with logic it's because I'm obsessed?

You've taken a hypothetical post as fact, that's your problem. I said no in reference to you saying that the original poster claimed that it was a certainty that managers will underestimate us, when in reality he didn't. He said he was hopeful. Teams may get into a false sense of a certain win, it's human nature at times that you can assume wins. I feel man city underestimated us at the start if the season, the same goes with Chelsea at home to crystal palace, even though they won, it was more hard work than it should have been.

You are obsessed. Why would you be on your rivals forum with a name like 'premier' jacks, joining when you got to the premier league? It's a bit of a inferiority complex that you feel the need to come on here even though you had just been promoted? How sad. You can wriggle your way out all you like but coming on your rivals forum for kicks is obsessive any way you look at it.

The idea that other teams, whether definitely or hopefully, will underestimate another side is ridiculous. Man City didn't underestimate you, they were awful! PL teams have a large scouting staff to ensure that that underestimation never happens. Sometimes teams just have a bad day. Do you think that the Cardiff staff are so unprofessional as to have underestimated Sunderland or West Ham? Of course not. The Sunderland game was down to the players taking their feet off the gas when they assumed the game was won. Against West Ham you were awful, as we were against you. This league is a multi-million pound industry, where teams use any method possible to gain an edge on an opponent, so to suggest underestimation is ludicrous

See you're mis-reading again. I never mentioned staff at all. Players can mis underestimate teams. It's human nature, no matter who you are and preparation done, you can still take things for granted. Players will be more up for 'big teams' than smaller sides who they're expected to beat and that's a fact. You were poor against us, but the more I see of you this season, the more I think that you're not that good and last season was a big over achievement. You can claim injuries play a factor, but you have a much bigger squad, with 'better quality' ,so injuries shouldn't be an excuse really. Man City I feel thought just thought they could turn up and win, no disrespect to us as we played well and limited them to certain areas. However yesterday, you could see the difference in mental attitude compared to the start of the season.

But mental attitude doesn't win you games, does it? If you're honest, you'll admit that yesterday City could have had eight or ten against you with better finishing.
It's the staff that ensure that players don't just think they have to turn up, that's my point.
When nine players are out through injury it's going to have an effect on any team regardless of depth.
But when they are all fit, we have almost another team to pick from. What have you got to add to your squad to keep you up?

Hopefully some of the Prem managers have the same thoughts, we might be taken lightly and be able to take advantage of the situation.

.......like you did against Sunderland and West Ham, maybe?

See what I mean, you claim you only comment on silly comments. There was nothing wrong with that comment, then up you pop from your crevice with your comments. I'd worry about your own form before spouting your drivel on here.

That is a silly comment! Do you honestly think that PL managers will be saying "oh, it's only Cardiff, no need to make much of an effort here!" If you do, in this current league situation, you're more stupid than I took you for!

No I don't, the key word was 'hopefully' which implied that teams could underestimate us, not that they definitely are. It was a hypothetical post. Don't worry about my stupidity, you win the contest hands down. You're just behind roathy on 'most obsessed' poster too.

So the question is " do you think that teams will underestimate you?" and your answer is "No" As I said, silly post. By the way, why is that whenever I tie you up in knots with logic it's because I'm obsessed?

You've taken a hypothetical post as fact, that's your problem. I said no in reference to you saying that the original poster claimed that it was a certainty that managers will underestimate us, when in reality he didn't. He said he was hopeful. Teams may get into a false sense of a certain win, it's human nature at times that you can assume wins. I feel man city underestimated us at the start if the season, the same goes with Chelsea at home to crystal palace, even though they won, it was more hard work than it should have been.

You are obsessed. Why would you be on your rivals forum with a name like 'premier' jacks, joining when you got to the premier league? It's a bit of a inferiority complex that you feel the need to come on here even though you had just been promoted? How sad. You can wriggle your way out all you like but coming on your rivals forum for kicks is obsessive any way you look at it.

The idea that other teams, whether definitely or hopefully, will underestimate another side is ridiculous. Man City didn't underestimate you, they were awful! PL teams have a large scouting staff to ensure that that underestimation never happens. Sometimes teams just have a bad day. Do you think that the Cardiff staff are so unprofessional as to have underestimated Sunderland or West Ham? Of course not. The Sunderland game was down to the players taking their feet off the gas when they assumed the game was won. Against West Ham you were awful, as we were against you. This league is a multi-million pound industry, where teams use any method possible to gain an edge on an opponent, so to suggest underestimation is ludicrous

See you're mis-reading again. I never mentioned staff at all. Players can mis underestimate teams. It's human nature, no matter who you are and preparation done, you can still take things for granted. Players will be more up for 'big teams' than smaller sides who they're expected to beat and that's a fact. You were poor against us, but the more I see of you this season, the more I think that you're not that good and last season was a big over achievement. You can claim injuries play a factor, but you have a much bigger squad, with 'better quality' ,so injuries shouldn't be an excuse really. Man City I feel thought just thought they could turn up and win, no disrespect to us as we played well and limited them to certain areas. However yesterday, you could see the difference in mental attitude compared to the start of the season.

But mental attitude doesn't win you games, does it? If you're honest, you'll admit that yesterday City could have had eight or ten against you with better finishing.
It's the staff that ensure that players don't just think they have to turn up, that's my point.
When nine players are out through injury it's going to have an effect on any team regardless of depth.
But when they are all fit, we have almost another team to pick from. What have you got to add to your squad to keep you up?

It doesn't always work in regards to staff ensuring players are mentally prepared does it otherwise there'd never be an upset would there. Of course injuries play a part, but if you compare your squad last season to this one, on paper you are a lot stronger aren't you?

We have to buy players who can slot straight in. We are a newly promoted team who are 6 points off 10th, which shows how tight it is. We aren't far off in my opinion of being a team of 12-15th. This window is crucial. Fortunately, there's funds available which will help.

To suggest that upsets are due to underestimation is naive in the extreme. There are many other factors that play a part such as desire, team selection, injuries, availability etc etc.
Yes, we have a stronger squad, but to say that nine players out isn't going to hurt a team is wrong. Of course it is. We have been unable to play a settled squad due to number of games and injury

To suggest that upsets are due to underestimation is naive in the extreme. There are many other factors that play a part such as desire, team selection, injuries, availability etc etc.
Yes, we have a stronger squad, but to say that nine players out isn't going to hurt a team is wrong. Of course it is. We have been unable to play a settled squad due to number of games and injury

So you're now agreeing that players can be up for some games and not others? I'm saying that players can assume that teams are easier than others, so yes maybe they can be underestimated at times. You can have all the stats and videos you like but teams can have a one off performance that can excel or lower their normal performances.

Injuries will play an affect, but this year you have strengthened all over for Europe and at the start of the season you were looking at an easy top 10 finish according to many of you, you have also played a lot of games this season with many changes this season before your 'injury crisis', so it's been ongoing all season with an 'unsettled' side, which leads me to question whether your squad as a whole is cut out for a demanding campaign in Europe and the premier league or are you good enough as a squad as a whole?

To suggest that upsets are due to underestimation is naive in the extreme. There are many other factors that play a part such as desire, team selection, injuries, availability etc etc.
Yes, we have a stronger squad, but to say that nine players out isn't going to hurt a team is wrong. Of course it is. We have been unable to play a settled squad due to number of games and injury

So you're now agreeing that players can be up for some games and not others? I'm saying that players can assume that teams are easier than others, so yes maybe they can be underestimated at times. You can have all the stats and videos you like but teams can have a one off performance that can excel or lower their normal performances.

Injuries will play an affect, but this year you have strengthened all over for Europe and at the start of the season you were looking at an easy top 10 finish according to many of you, you have also played a lot of games this season with many changes this season before your 'injury crisis', so it's been ongoing all season with an 'unsettled' side, which leads me to question whether your squad as a whole is cut out for a demanding campaign in Europe and the premier league or are you good enough as a squad as a whole?

Yes, we've strengthened, but you have to have fit players to be able to use a rotation system. If you don't have fit players, you can't rotate. We've had injuries to key players at various stages before the current crisis and Michu and Vorm have been carrying injuries requiring surgery all season. Whether we have a good enough squad or not will become evident in May. If we can get all our players fit I still believe we could finish in the top ten, bearing in mind we're only three points off it at the moment