It's all in the Name

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They're Hull Tigers FC to me. They're the biggest franchise club in the UK after MK Dons. They make me sick.

Im so glad Cardiff City FC isn't a franchise club like these clubs.

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

Out of interest, what have you done to stick up for your club?

not wore red, only blue....sang about blue....protested outside the ground etc. just the basics that everyone who cares should be doing. do u agree?

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

What a pathetic statement.

They're Hull Tigers FC to me. They're the biggest franchise club in the UK after MK Dons. They make me sick.

Im so glad Cardiff City FC isn't a franchise club like these clubs.

Probably the best tongue in cheek comment ever.

Football much like modern life makes me sick.

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

Out of interest, what have you done to stick up for your club?

not wore red, only blue....sang about blue....protested outside the ground etc. just the basics that everyone who cares should be doing. do u agree?

So apart from protesting outside the ground on one occasion, don't you think that the vast majority of Cardiff supporters have done everything else, which I'd have thought would be the basic requisite for a supporter wanting us back in blue and with the Bluebird more prominent?

I also think you'll find, that the amount of Hull fans fighting for their identity to remain, is also comparable to the amount of fans we have, who have protested similarly, so I can't see why you chose to big the Hull fans up and slag off our fans!

The only Cardiff City fans that should be criticised are those that actively wear red.

Everyone else is doing their bit for our club IMO.

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

What a pathetic statement.

It's true though.

well done hull for sticking up for your club. well done majority of CCFC fans for sticking up for nothing

What a pathetic statement.

It's true though.

So do you think that Hull fans have done more than Cardiff fans to show their disdain?

So do you think that Hull fans have done more than Cardiff fans to show their disdain?

Yes.. Which is why it is true, in my mind.

So do you think that Hull fans have done more than Cardiff fans to show their disdain?

Yes.. Which is why it is true, in my mind.

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

Continued and sustained protest, in ground protests, gained national support for their cause from many different authorities & clubs.

Not to mention the lack of a divide in their fan base, no fans getting threats for having a differing opinions, held events to keep the name.

Run a successful protest group, which has a high membership base & is successful at being professional & representing the fans base as a whole (something Bluebirds unite have spectacularly failed to do).

Whereas anyone who even suggests any sort of protest here, is abused, shot down in flames and in worst cases, been threatened/intimidated.

The Cardiff fans base as a whole is totally apathetic to VT and his ghastly rebrand.

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

Continued and sustained protest, in ground protests, gained national support for their cause from many different authorities & clubs.

Not to mention the lack of a divide in their fan base, no fans getting threats for having a differing opinions, held events to keep the name.

Run a successful protest group, which has a high membership base & is successful at being professional & representing the fans base as a whole (something Bluebirds unite have spectacularly failed to do).

Whereas anyone who even suggests any sort of protest here, is abused, shot down in flames and in worst cases, been threatened/intimidated.

The Cardiff fans base as a whole is totally apathetic to VT and his ghastly rebrand.

Apart from all that then, what have they done different?

Apart from all that then, what have they done different?

I've already told you.

Apart from all that then, what have they done different?

I've already told you.

You don't understand wit do you?

You don't understand wit do you?

Something has to be funny to be witty. Found nothing funny in any of your posts.

I like Chuckles as a poster very much and agree with him on the rebrand but irony isn't his strongest suit - I think he might be American

Hull are only sticking up for the club as it isn't on the brink of admin. The two situations are not comparable and if you think they are then you're daft.

We had a complete rebrand - colour - emblem - slogan - none of it matched our traditional ways

They're just having their name fused with their nickname as a modernisation marketing technique - hardly a big deal - they still keep their colours - their emblem - their slogan etc- theres still traditionalist Hull ways there but its progressive.

Loads of Hull fans agree with him too. i've spoke to a few of them who said its a forward thinking move that makes sense as its something done in America so that sort of thing obviously appeals there. Why aren't NYRB called New York City FC? Because its not something that appeals to sports fans in the USA. They love these names/identifiers. They love to support the Cowboys or the Steelers or the Patriots and so on.

Of course changing a name isn't going to magically increase revenue but it'll do wonders for their image across the pond. Makes perfect sense.

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

Continued and sustained protest, in ground protests, gained national support for their cause from many different authorities & clubs.

Is this not the same as some Cardiff fans have already done, for far longer than the Hull fans?

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

Not to mention the lack of a divide in their fan base, no fans getting threats for having a differing opinions, held events to keep the name.(

Do we really know that their fans are altogether and haven't been bickering amongst themselves and what events have they held, that Cardiff fans haven't held?

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

Run a successful protest group, which has a high membership base & is successful at being professional & representing the fans base as a whole (something Bluebirds unite have spectacularly failed to do).

I agree about the Bluebirds Unite bit, but there's also a large membership base against the rebrand at Cardiff, but similar to Hull's membership, it's mainly made up of fans from other clubs, or fans from both clubs just ticking an online petition!

How do you come to the conclusion that Hull's efforts are professional and how do you gauge success, when they are still fighting for their identity, not won any battles, let alone the war against their identity change?

So what have they done, that Cardiff fans haven't done then and not in your mind?

Whereas anyone who even suggests any sort of protest here, is abused, shot down in flames and in worst cases, been threatened/intimidated.

The Cardiff fans base as a whole is totally apathetic to VT and his ghastly rebrand.

I'll agree about the apathy amongst our fans, but again, how do we know that there's no infighting happening at Hull?

Is this not the same as some Cardiff fans have already done, for far longer than the Hull fans?

No it isn't. As I've already said, continued & sustained protest. We've had one big protest & that was mixed in with support for Malky. You can't compare time frames as Cardiff have been fighting rebrand for longer as it happened longer back.


Do we really know that their fans are altogether and haven't been bickering amongst themselves and what events have they held, that Cardiff fans haven't held?

well having discussed this a few times with a Hull fan via Twitter who is protesting, the protesters there certainly haven't faced the same arguing amongst its fan base & he claims they are very much together. He was surprised at the massive split in Cardiff fan base.



I agree about the Bluebirds Unite bit, but there's also a large membership base against the rebrand at Cardiff, but similar to Hull's membership, it's mainly made up of fans from other clubs, or fans from both clubs just ticking an online petition!

there isn't a large membership base at BU, this is proven by the poor attendances at any of their events. It's a shame, but true. CityTillWeDie is a massive group which has a large membership,within its own fan base.

How do you come to the conclusion that Hull's efforts are professional and how do you gauge success, when they are still fighting for their identity, not won any battles, let alone the war against their identity change?

success and professionalism is agauged by the numbers that attend their protests and the fact that they aren't being criticised within their own fanbase, much like BU are.


I'll agree about the apathy amongst our fans, but again, how do we know that there's no infighting happening at Hull?

Again, I'll mention the chap I chat to from Hull about it. There's not.

I'll leave by saying that if anyone is trying to compare Hull's protests with our own pathetic ones, they are deluded.

Is this not the same as some Cardiff fans have already done, for far longer than the Hull fans?

No it isn't. As I've already said, continued & sustained protest. We've had one big protest & that was mixed in with support for Malky. You can't compare time frames as Cardiff have been fighting rebrand for longer as it happened longer back.


Do we really know that their fans are altogether and haven't been bickering amongst themselves and what events have they held, that Cardiff fans haven't held?

well having discussed this a few times with a Hull fan via Twitter who is protesting, the protesters there certainly haven't faced the same arguing amongst its fan base & he claims they are very much together. He was surprised at the massive split in Cardiff fan base.



I agree about the Bluebirds Unite bit, but there's also a large membership base against the rebrand at Cardiff, but similar to Hull's membership, it's mainly made up of fans from other clubs, or fans from both clubs just ticking an online petition!

there isn't a large membership base at BU, this is proven by the poor attendances at any of their events. It's a shame, but true. CityTillWeDie is a massive group which has a large membership,within its own fan base.

How do you come to the conclusion that Hull's efforts are professional and how do you gauge success, when they are still fighting for their identity, not won any battles, let alone the war against their identity change?

success and professionalism is agauged by the numbers that attend their protests and the fact that they aren't being criticised within their own fanbase, much like BU are.


I'll agree about the apathy amongst our fans, but again, how do we know that there's no infighting happening at Hull?

Again, I'll mention the chap I chat to from Hull about it. There's not.

I'll leave by saying that if anyone is trying to compare Hull's protests with our own pathetic ones, they are deluded.

So you generalised then and don't have all the answers?

So you generalised then and don't have all the answers?

I answered every single question.

So you generalised then and don't have all the answers?

I answered every single question.

Sorry, I only looked at the last line, you shouldn't be so quick to respond!

Is this not the same as some Cardiff fans have already done, for far longer than the Hull fans?

No it isn't. As I've already said, continued & sustained protest. We've had one big protest & that was mixed in with support for Malky. You can't compare time frames as Cardiff have been fighting rebrand for longer as it happened longer back.


Do we really know that their fans are altogether and haven't been bickering amongst themselves and what events have they held, that Cardiff fans haven't held?

well having discussed this a few times with a Hull fan via Twitter who is protesting, the protesters there certainly haven't faced the same arguing amongst its fan base & he claims they are very much together. He was surprised at the massive split in Cardiff fan base.



I agree about the Bluebirds Unite bit, but there's also a large membership base against the rebrand at Cardiff, but similar to Hull's membership, it's mainly made up of fans from other clubs, or fans from both clubs just ticking an online petition!

there isn't a large membership base at BU, this is proven by the poor attendances at any of their events. It's a shame, but true. CityTillWeDie is a massive group which has a large membership,within its own fan base.

How do you come to the conclusion that Hull's efforts are professional and how do you gauge success, when they are still fighting for their identity, not won any battles, let alone the war against their identity change?

success and professionalism is agauged by the numbers that attend their protests and the fact that they aren't being criticised within their own fanbase, much like BU are.


I'll agree about the apathy amongst our fans, but again, how do we know that there's no infighting happening at Hull?

Again, I'll mention the chap I chat to from Hull about it. There's not.

I'll leave by saying that if anyone is trying to compare Hull's protests with our own pathetic ones, they are deluded.

The 2 situations, including the length of time both sets of fans have been up against their respective owners, is a factor and whether Hull fans will have the belly for a prolonged fight, remains to be seen. So I can't agree that they've sustained their fight over a prolonged period, not unless you call a few months a sustained period!

I never said there was a large membership base at Bluebirds Unite, but there is on the online petition, which a lot of people got excited about, so how many people have attended Hull's protests then, compared to Cardiff's?

Whatever the figure is though, I can't see how you can gauge numbers attending protests as professional and successful, when they've not won any battles, let alone the war!

I also fail to see why you would take the word of one fan on Twitter, that there is no infighting at Hull and post that as real evidence!

Things are due to come to a massive head at Hull IMO, especially with their owner now coming out and giving them an ultimatum, so we'll soon see whether there is any infighting amongst their fan base!

Personally, I wish them every success, but I can't see them winning!

Yet another thread ruined by Barry Chuckles.

Why wouldn't I take the word of a Hull City supporter, who is actually there? He's far more likely to give me a true story on the fan base than you are, unless you attend Hull games regularly or post on their forums etc regularly?

I called it sustained protest as they have continually protested - whereas we have had one meaningful protest in 18 months - even then, that was mixed in with a bit of Don't Sack Mackay.