Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:53 pm
Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:58 pm
carlccfc wrote:Just come across this blog and though speculative it reads as an interesting piece.
The Daily Telegraph has reported that Vincent Tan has bought Bosnian club FK Sarajevo with the deal to be completed in February at the club’s next board meeting. Tan has set a budget and announced an ongoing co-operation between the club and Cardiff City.
While all this might make good football and business sense, or not, the question remains, who is advising Tan?
If it’s true that Tan has been providing tactical and other football related tips to Mackay, you have to believe he is being fed these nuggets of advice from somewhere.
Secondly, how does Tan know enough about European football to be buying first Cardiff City and then FK Sarajevo?
It seems to be common knowledge around the club that Etien Velikonja was bought without Malky Mackay’s knowledge or consent. This probably explains why the striker has failed to find himself in the Cardiff manager’s plans. It also goes someway to explaining how this could also be one of the issues Tan has with Mackay listed on the dreaded ‘resign or be sacked’ e-mail. Maybe Tan’s trusted advisor, whoever he is, was a part of the process of getting Velikonja to Wales?
Interestingly the President of NK Maribor the club Velikonja first played for is investment banker Drago Cotar, a director of KBM Infond who deals in mutual funds, hedge funds and derivatives.
There is also the eastern European connection of Alisher Apsalyamov, the 23 year-old from Kazakhstan who briefly and infamously took over from Iain Moody as Cardiff’s head of recruitment. Little is known of Apsalyamov who is thought to be no more than a son of a friend of Vincent Tan’s. His treatment while shadowing Moody is probably another grievance added to the e-mail.
Whatever these relationships imply, they provide direction toward an eastern European influence in Tan’s thinking. Is there somebody trying to work Mackay out for their own agenda or is Tan just listening to somebody who is no more than a wealthy football supporter and business connection?
It could be somebody on the fringes of the professional game. It could be somebody deeply involved in the game, someone with a reason to stay silent. It could easily be somebody in the financial realm or with connections to top level agents.
All of this is speculation of course. As with most things though, when it doesn’t seem to make sense you usually have to follow the money to find the answer.
The moneyman in this case is Mehmet Dalman. Dalman was until recently the chairman of Eurasian Natural Resources Corporation (ENRC) resigning back in April of 2013. The Company is listed on the London Stock Exchange and also secondarily on the Kazakhstan exchange. Its business is centered in Kazakhstan. Connection made.
The Serious Fraud Office launched a criminal investigation into ENRC’s business practices also in April of 2013.The ENRC annual report released on 30 April said that UK authorities are investigating whether ENRC breached Britain’s rules for a listed company.
Dalman is Turkish-Cypriot born, British educated, whose background is in European banking before moving on specifically into the Asia-Pacific region. This is where the connection to Tan comes in.
While Dalman appears to be the go-between in the Tan-Mackay saga, it could well be that the manager is placing his trust in someone who is simply Tan’s man.
The current manager at FK Sarajevo is Robert Jarni, the former Real Madrid star and Croatian international. Jarni once signed for Real Madrid from Coventry City without ever playing a game for the Midlanders. It was a strange transfer affair.
Could it be that Jarni is the man with the ulterior motive, the one feeding Dalman and by inference Tan the tactical information? Certainly Jarni’s playing career eclipses that of Malky Mackay both internationally and in terms of European competition. His words may well be over-valued but heard they will be.
Is it a coincidence that the Mackay saga has come to a head while the Bosnian Premier League, in which Sarajevo are currently second, is on its winter break and has been since November closed. The season doesn’t reopen until the end of February. I wonder what Robert Jarni is up to during this time?
While I acknowledge this is all speculation, perhaps the professional Jarni together with the football fringe influence of Dalman combined, is the current wisdom of Vincent Tan? What say you?
http://cardiffcitynewsviews.wordpress.c ... -tans-man/
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:03 pm
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:07 pm
carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:12 pm
nobby wrote:carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
When Tan had lunch on Mourinhos yacht, didn't Mourinho advise Tan to buy Velikonja
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:13 pm
carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:25 pm
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:28 pm
carlccfc wrote:Just come across this blog and though speculative it reads as an interesting piece.
The Daily Telegraph has reported that Vincent Tan has bought Bosnian club FK Sarajevo with the deal to be completed in February at the club’s next board meeting. Tan has set a budget and announced an ongoing co-operation between the club and Cardiff City.
While all this might make good football and business sense, or not, the question remains, who is advising Tan?
If it’s true that Tan has been providing tactical and other football related tips to Mackay, you have to believe he is being fed these nuggets of advice from somewhere.
Secondly, how does Tan know enough about European football to be buying first Cardiff City and then FK Sarajevo?
It seems to be common knowledge around the club that Etien Velikonja was bought without Malky Mackay’s knowledge or consent. This probably explains why the striker has failed to find himself in the Cardiff manager’s plans. It also goes someway to explaining how this could also be one of the issues Tan has with Mackay listed on the dreaded ‘resign or be sacked’ e-mail. Maybe Tan’s trusted advisor, whoever he is, was a part of the process of getting Velikonja to Wales?
Interestingly the President of NK Maribor the club Velikonja first played for is investment banker Drago Cotar, a director of KBM Infond who deals in mutual funds, hedge funds and derivatives.
There is also the eastern European connection of Alisher Apsalyamov, the 23 year-old from Kazakhstan who briefly and infamously took over from Iain Moody as Cardiff’s head of recruitment. Little is known of Apsalyamov who is thought to be no more than a son of a friend of Vincent Tan’s. His treatment while shadowing Moody is probably another grievance added to the e-mail.
Whatever these relationships imply, they provide direction toward an eastern European influence in Tan’s thinking. Is there somebody trying to work Mackay out for their own agenda or is Tan just listening to somebody who is no more than a wealthy football supporter and business connection?
It could be somebody on the fringes of the professional game. It could be somebody deeply involved in the game, someone with a reason to stay silent. It could easily be somebody in the financial realm or with connections to top level agents.
All of this is speculation of course. As with most things though, when it doesn’t seem to make sense you usually have to follow the money to find the answer.
The moneyman in this case is Mehmet Dalman. Dalman was until recently the chairman of Eurasian Natural Resources Corporation (ENRC) resigning back in April of 2013. The Company is listed on the London Stock Exchange and also secondarily on the Kazakhstan exchange. Its business is centered in Kazakhstan. Connection made.
The Serious Fraud Office launched a criminal investigation into ENRC’s business practices also in April of 2013.The ENRC annual report released on 30 April said that UK authorities are investigating whether ENRC breached Britain’s rules for a listed company.
Dalman is Turkish-Cypriot born, British educated, whose background is in European banking before moving on specifically into the Asia-Pacific region. This is where the connection to Tan comes in.
While Dalman appears to be the go-between in the Tan-Mackay saga, it could well be that the manager is placing his trust in someone who is simply Tan’s man.
The current manager at FK Sarajevo is Robert Jarni, the former Real Madrid star and Croatian international. Jarni once signed for Real Madrid from Coventry City without ever playing a game for the Midlanders. It was a strange transfer affair.
Could it be that Jarni is the man with the ulterior motive, the one feeding Dalman and by inference Tan the tactical information? Certainly Jarni’s playing career eclipses that of Malky Mackay both internationally and in terms of European competition. His words may well be over-valued but heard they will be.
Is it a coincidence that the Mackay saga has come to a head while the Bosnian Premier League, in which Sarajevo are currently second, is on its winter break and has been since November closed. The season doesn’t reopen until the end of February. I wonder what Robert Jarni is up to during this time?
While I acknowledge this is all speculation, perhaps the professional Jarni together with the football fringe influence of Dalman combined, is the current wisdom of Vincent Tan? What say you?
http://cardiffcitynewsviews.wordpress.c ... -tans-man/
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:30 pm
wez1927 wrote:carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
So malky and moody were lieing Carl ? If so how can any one believe a word malky says ?
Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:32 pm
carlccfc wrote:Just come across this blog and though speculative it reads as an interesting piece.
The Daily Telegraph has reported that Vincent Tan has bought Bosnian club FK Sarajevo with the deal to be completed in February at the club’s next board meeting. Tan has set a budget and announced an ongoing co-operation between the club and Cardiff City.
While all this might make good football and business sense, or not, the question remains, who is advising Tan?
If it’s true that Tan has been providing tactical and other football related tips to Mackay, you have to believe he is being fed these nuggets of advice from somewhere.
Secondly, how does Tan know enough about European football to be buying first Cardiff City and then FK Sarajevo?
It seems to be common knowledge around the club that Etien Velikonja was bought without Malky Mackay’s knowledge or consent. This probably explains why the striker has failed to find himself in the Cardiff manager’s plans. It also goes someway to explaining how this could also be one of the issues Tan has with Mackay listed on the dreaded ‘resign or be sacked’ e-mail. Maybe Tan’s trusted advisor, whoever he is, was a part of the process of getting Velikonja to Wales?
Interestingly the President of NK Maribor the club Velikonja first played for is investment banker Drago Cotar, a director of KBM Infond who deals in mutual funds, hedge funds and derivatives.
There is also the eastern European connection of Alisher Apsalyamov, the 23 year-old from Kazakhstan who briefly and infamously took over from Iain Moody as Cardiff’s head of recruitment. Little is known of Apsalyamov who is thought to be no more than a son of a friend of Vincent Tan’s. His treatment while shadowing Moody is probably another grievance added to the e-mail.
Whatever these relationships imply, they provide direction toward an eastern European influence in Tan’s thinking. Is there somebody trying to work Mackay out for their own agenda or is Tan just listening to somebody who is no more than a wealthy football supporter and business connection?
It could be somebody on the fringes of the professional game. It could be somebody deeply involved in the game, someone with a reason to stay silent. It could easily be somebody in the financial realm or with connections to top level agents.
All of this is speculation of course. As with most things though, when it doesn’t seem to make sense you usually have to follow the money to find the answer.
The moneyman in this case is Mehmet Dalman. Dalman was until recently the chairman of Eurasian Natural Resources Corporation (ENRC) resigning back in April of 2013. The Company is listed on the London Stock Exchange and also secondarily on the Kazakhstan exchange. Its business is centered in Kazakhstan. Connection made.
The Serious Fraud Office launched a criminal investigation into ENRC’s business practices also in April of 2013.The ENRC annual report released on 30 April said that UK authorities are investigating whether ENRC breached Britain’s rules for a listed company.
Dalman is Turkish-Cypriot born, British educated, whose background is in European banking before moving on specifically into the Asia-Pacific region. This is where the connection to Tan comes in.
While Dalman appears to be the go-between in the Tan-Mackay saga, it could well be that the manager is placing his trust in someone who is simply Tan’s man.
The current manager at FK Sarajevo is Robert Jarni, the former Real Madrid star and Croatian international. Jarni once signed for Real Madrid from Coventry City without ever playing a game for the Midlanders. It was a strange transfer affair.
Could it be that Jarni is the man with the ulterior motive, the one feeding Dalman and by inference Tan the tactical information? Certainly Jarni’s playing career eclipses that of Malky Mackay both internationally and in terms of European competition. His words may well be over-valued but heard they will be.
Is it a coincidence that the Mackay saga has come to a head while the Bosnian Premier League, in which Sarajevo are currently second, is on its winter break and has been since November closed. The season doesn’t reopen until the end of February. I wonder what Robert Jarni is up to during this time?
While I acknowledge this is all speculation, perhaps the professional Jarni together with the football fringe influence of Dalman combined, is the current wisdom of Vincent Tan? What say you?
http://cardiffcitynewsviews.wordpress.c ... -tans-man/
Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:31 am
carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:40 am
Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:13 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Not got the energy for all this at the moment.
All I know is that it was Tan who changed us to blue.
Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:36 am
wez1927 wrote:carlccfc wrote:Just come across this blog and though speculative it reads as an interesting piece.
The Daily Telegraph has reported that Vincent Tan has bought Bosnian club FK Sarajevo with the deal to be completed in February at the club’s next board meeting. Tan has set a budget and announced an ongoing co-operation between the club and Cardiff City.
While all this might make good football and business sense, or not, the question remains, who is advising Tan?
If it’s true that Tan has been providing tactical and other football related tips to Mackay, you have to believe he is being fed these nuggets of advice from somewhere.
Secondly, how does Tan know enough about European football to be buying first Cardiff City and then FK Sarajevo
It also goes someway to explaining how this could also be one of the issues Tan has with Mackay listed on the dreaded ‘resign or be sacked’ e-mail. Maybe Tan’s trusted advisor, whoever he is, was a part of the process of getting Velikonja to Wales?
Interestingly the President of NK Maribor the club Velikonja first played for is investment banker Drago Cotar, a director of KBM Infond who deals in mutual funds, hedge funds and derivatives.
There is also the eastern European connection of Alisher Apsalyamov, the 23 year-old from Kazakhstan who briefly and infamously took over from Iain Moody as Cardiff’s head of recruitment. Little is known of Apsalyamov who is thought to be no more than a son of a friend of Vincent Tan’s. His treatment while shadowing Moody is probably another grievance added to the e-mail.
Whatever these relationships imply, they provide direction toward an eastern European influence in Tan’s thinking. Is there somebody trying to work Mackay out for their own agenda or is Tan just listening to somebody who is no more than a wealthy football supporter and business connection?
It could be somebody on the fringes of the professional game. It could be somebody deeply involved in the game, someone with a reason to stay silent. It could easily be somebody in the financial realm or with connections to top level agents.
All of this is speculation of course. As with most things though, when it doesn’t seem to make sense you usually have to follow the money to find the answer.
The moneyman in this case is Mehmet Dalman. Dalman was until recently the chairman of Eurasian Natural Resources Corporation (ENRC) resigning back in April of 2013. The Company is listed on the London Stock Exchange and also secondarily on the Kazakhstan exchange. Its business is centered in Kazakhstan. Connection made.
The Serious Fraud Office launched a criminal investigation into ENRC’s business practices also in April of 2013.The ENRC annual report released on 30 April said that UK authorities are investigating whether ENRC breached Britain’s rules for a listed company.
Dalman is Turkish-Cypriot born, British educated, whose background is in European banking before moving on specifically into the Asia-Pacific region. This is where the connection to Tan comes in.
While Dalman appears to be the go-between in the Tan-Mackay saga, it could well be that the manager is placing his trust in someone who is simply Tan’s man.
The current manager at FK Sarajevo is Robert Jarni, the former Real Madrid star and Croatian international. Jarni once signed for Real Madrid from Coventry City without ever playing a game for the Midlanders. It was a strange transfer affair.
Could it be that Jarni is the man with the ulterior motive, the one feeding Dalman and by inference Tan the tactical information? Certainly Jarni’s playing career eclipses that of Malky Mackay both internationally and in terms of European competition. His words may well be over-valued but heard they will be.
Is it a coincidence that the Mackay saga has come to a head while the Bosnian Premier League, in which Sarajevo are currently second, is on its winter break and has been since November closed. The season doesn’t reopen until the end of February. I wonder what Robert Jarni is up to during this time?
While I acknowledge this is all speculation, perhaps the professional Jarni together with the football fringe influence of Dalman combined, is the current wisdom of Vincent Tan? What say you?
http://cardiffcitynewsviews.wordpress.c ... -tans-man/
Stopped reading it when the bollocks of malky didn't sign velikonia when he clearly did and admitted he did
Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:05 am
wez1927 wrote:carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
So malky and moody were lieing Carl ? If so how can any one believe a word malky says ?
Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:03 am
Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:12 am
Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:34 am
Leytonstoneblue wrote:I love the way that supporters of either one or the other attempt to re- write history in each other's favourOn Velonkya, the fact is, that Malky was in the press praising the signing and went into great detail of how he had pursued him at Watford. Now, we suddenly have inside info, telling us that " Malky didn't want him, even as far as to say, it's your money, it's up to you"
I would prefer to believe that Carl and others are being fed bullshit by the Makay propaganda machine
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But hey, it won't be the first nor last time our ITK boys have been duped and made to look like patsies.
Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:57 am
Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:28 am
Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:16 am
pembroke allan wrote:It was stated somewhere that malky is no yes man to tan? Now people are saying malky just towed the tan line over this signing! ! Ffs make your minds up talk about manipulating people, this board is the greatest at it.
Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:19 am
wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:It was stated somewhere that malky is no yes man to tan? Now people are saying malky just towed the tan line over this signing! ! Ffs make your minds up talk about manipulating people, this board is the greatest at it.
It depends what they're agendas are Allan ,the football is getting lost in rebrand politics ,we just need to be good on the pitch hopefully 6 points from the next 2 games
Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:22 am
pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:It was stated somewhere that malky is no yes man to tan? Now people are saying malky just towed the tan line over this signing! ! Ffs make your minds up talk about manipulating people, this board is the greatest at it.
It depends what they're agendas are Allan ,the football is getting lost in rebrand politics ,we just need to be good on the pitch hopefully 6 points from the next 2 games
Yes but think we lose to Southampton! And nothing to do with the crap going on, just pure football terms.
Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:32 am
wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:It was stated somewhere that malky is no yes man to tan? Now people are saying malky just towed the tan line over this signing! ! Ffs make your minds up talk about manipulating people, this board is the greatest at it.
It depends what they're agendas are Allan ,the football is getting lost in rebrand politics ,we just need to be good on the pitch hopefully 6 points from the next 2 games
Yes but think we lose to Southampton! And nothing to do with the crap going on, just pure football terms.
I got.a god feeling about the next 3 home games but I can not seeing is wining another away game this season unless malky or who ever is in charge has a good go at them
Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:38 am
pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:It was stated somewhere that malky is no yes man to tan? Now people are saying malky just towed the tan line over this signing! ! Ffs make your minds up talk about manipulating people, this board is the greatest at it.
It depends what they're agendas are Allan ,the football is getting lost in rebrand politics ,we just need to be good on the pitch hopefully 6 points from the next 2 games
Yes but think we lose to Southampton! And nothing to do with the crap going on, just pure football terms.
I got.a god feeling about the next 3 home games but I can not seeing is wining another away game this season unless malky or who ever is in charge has a good go at them
Yes I don't think malky as confidence in him self or his players when it comes to away games, but that will be his downfall eventually., as being honest we won't win the games our fans think we will at home against bottom half teams!! As they will do to us what we try to do to them away,
Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:42 am
Bluebird64 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:It was stated somewhere that malky is no yes man to tan? Now people are saying malky just towed the tan line over this signing! ! Ffs make your minds up talk about manipulating people, this board is the greatest at it.
It depends what they're agendas are Allan ,the football is getting lost in rebrand politics ,we just need to be good on the pitch hopefully 6 points from the next 2 games
Yes but think we lose to Southampton! And nothing to do with the crap going on, just pure football terms.
I got.a god feeling about the next 3 home games but I can not seeing is wining another away game this season unless malky or who ever is in charge has a good go at them
Yes I don't think malky as confidence in him self or his players when it comes to away games, but that will be his downfall eventually., as being honest we won't win the games our fans think we will at home against bottom half teams!! As they will do to us what we try to do to them away,
Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:33 pm
Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:24 pm
carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:25 pm
2blue2handle wrote:carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
So Malky is a liar hhmm
Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:57 pm
Super Kev wrote:nobby wrote:carlccfc wrote:Wez, I know you won't take my word for it but I can tell you that Malky did not want to sign Velikonja for Cardiff, it was a Tan signing and Malky told Tan it's your money but I don't want him.
I have every confidence that this will come out as a matter of fact in time.
When Tan had lunch on Mourinhos yacht, didn't Mourinho advise Tan to buy Velikonja
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