Give and take

Just thought id write a quick opinion piece of recent activities at our club. In my eyes we the fans have really achieved something in the last couple of days, we have really shown how fan power can help in achieving something for the common good of our club. Malky it appears is safe for the time being, although I am chuckling at some posters on here who are giving it the old when they have been slating MM's tactics for weeks *facepalm*

I have always backed Mackay, whilst I know he isnt perfect, he has wasted some of his budget, and his tactical decisons are sometimes questionable, I can accept it because he is early in his managerial career, constantly learning, and worthy of giving time to perfect his trade.

Now something controversial, Tan deserves the same as Malky for the exact reasons I stated above! I know what he has done in the last couple of weeks is mindboogling, BUT as ive said before, the good he has done for the club outwieghs the bad, I like to leave the rebrand aside when i say this, not because it suit my 'agenda' but because when VT made those decisons he really was clueless in all things football and im convinced he wouldnt do that today if he hadnt done it already, until the Moody situation I was very happy with the MM/VT partnership, obviously since then VT has put our club under the spotlight for the wrong reasons, but since our show of solidarity and media hype I think we have won this particular battle, so lets not kick the arse out of it.

Tan out?? No thanks, not for me, Im happy for Tan to stay as long as he keeps his ugly mug out of the dressing room. I think the Boxing day protest is a bad idea, yes lets wear blue, yes lets chant our support for MM, but lets not bite the hand thats feeds us (our club) with 'Tan out' slogans etc, I actually agree with the chairman on that, lets hope Malky and VT can get together settle their diffrences and move the club is the direction its been heading for the last couple of years...FORWARD!

Lets not forget the huge amount of money that VT has ploughed into our club just like we do not forget what Malky has achieved in his managerial tenture, lets get the media's focus back on our fans passion for 'on pitch' activities not backroom issues, I think if we want Tan to show us some respect, we need to show him a little, even at these difficult times, lets not forget we have been wearing blue more recently, and lets gotta be Tan giving something to us that we wanted. remember tan promised that in the end of season supporters club speeches, we will wear blue against MU and Liverpool etc, mutual respect lads, mutual respect.

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

although I am chuckling at some posters on here who are giving it the old when they have been slating MM's tactics for weeks *facepalm*

There was only a few of us slating his tactics and as far as I can see, we still are

I just want this mad man out now gav and we return to blue some day as for some its not about who he buys for us to watch or living the dream watching the rooneys of this world in the prem or even tans wallet size. The return to blue, tan out, malky lover brigade will all unite as one on boxing day i hope to show tan enoughs enough or face whats comming in the future before its to late

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

Last edited by Bluebird1977 on Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.

although I am chuckling at some posters on here who are giving it the old when they have been slating MM's tactics for weeks *facepalm*

There was only a few of us slating his tactics and as far as I can see, we still are

Exactly.

Name names Gav cos my stance hasnt changed on MM.

I just want this mad man out now gav and we return to blue some day as for some its not about who he buys for us to watch or living the dream watching the rooneys of this world in the prem or even tans wallet size. The return to blue, tan out, malky lover brigade will all unite as one on boxing day i hope to show tan enoughs enough or face whats comming in the future before its to late

The Malky lover brigade? you wont be attending then

A very sensible and reasonable post. It's just possible that there has been a break out of common sense today.

This is not really a rebrand issue, but others seem to be making it that way.

I just want this mad man out now gav and we return to blue some day as for some its not about who he buys for us to watch or living the dream watching the rooneys of this world in the prem or even tans wallet size. The return to blue, tan out, malky lover brigade will all unite as one on boxing day i hope to show tan enoughs enough or face whats comming in the future before its to late

The Malky lover brigade? you wont be attending then

Yep in the TAN OUT brigade

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

I just want this mad man out now gav and we return to blue some day as for some its not about who he buys for us to watch or living the dream watching the rooneys of this world in the prem or even tans wallet size. The return to blue, tan out, malky lover brigade will all unite as one on boxing day i hope to show tan enoughs enough or face whats comming in the future before its to late

I hope the happy 500 protesters have a nice day. I thought I'd go and cheer on my team instead.

I just want this mad man out now gav and we return to blue some day as for some its not about who he buys for us to watch or living the dream watching the rooneys of this world in the prem or even tans wallet size. The return to blue, tan out, malky lover brigade will all unite as one on boxing day i hope to show tan enoughs enough or face whats comming in the future before its to late

I hope the happy 500 protesters have a nice day. I thought I'd go and cheer on my team instead.

Im sure they will be cheering there team to

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

Moving it forward while the world laughs at us along the way as he does what he wants when he wants, wheres the so called financial stability then as ive not seen or been reading anything official from the club about this so called debt to equity which was supposed to happen 4 months ago if you read all the bullshit that the club release. we are in no diffrent position now than when he come in only worse in the black hole.

Last edited by Bluebird1977 on Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

A very sensible and reasonable post. It's just possible that there has been a break out of common sense today.

This is not really a rebrand issue, but others seem to be making it that way.

they think because tan changed his mind they can go further without realising consequences! all well good keeping malky , but getting rid tan without any altenative is stupid, yes tan as made bad mistakes, but at end of day all the fans who want him to go are seeing premier football because of him,! but suppose its nice to have your cake and eat it?

suppose its nice to have your cake and eat it?

The cake tastes like shit for some fans alan and is not worth the price we will all have to pay for it in the end.

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

Moving it forward while the world laughs at us along the way as he does what he wants when he wants, wheres the so called financial stability then as ive not seen or been reading anything official from the club about this so called debt to equity which was supposed to happen 4 months ago if you read all the bullshit that the club release. we are in no diffrent position now than when he come in only worse in the black hole.

The world isnt laughing at us at the moment, they are nodding at our fans with a new found respect after the scenes at Liverpool.
How can you say the club isnt financially better off? we arent getting dragged to court with the threat of being wound up, and we do not owe money to everyone and their dog, the clubs debt is to the owner only. its not the mess it was NO WAY

suppose its nice to have your cake and eat it?

The cake tastes like shit for some fans alan and is not worth the price we will all have to pay for it in the end.

If, like you believe we are more in the blackhole then when he came in then we were about to be wound up by HMRC. Going by your belief you want him to go and that would liquidate the club.

I want him to stay myself....just to keep a back seat and make his decisions for footballing reasons.

suppose its nice to have your cake and eat it?

The cake tastes like shit for some fans alan and is not worth the price we will all have to pay for it in the end.

If, like you believe we are more in the blackhole then when he came in then we were about to be wound up by HMRC. Going by your belief you want him to go and that would liquidate the club.

I want him to stay myself....just to keep a back seat and make his decisions for footballing reasons.

spot on, just take a back seat and work on making himself a profit, becuase when he does it can only be good for the club.

suppose its nice to have your cake and eat it?

The cake tastes like shit for some fans alan and is not worth the price we will all have to pay for it in the end.

maybe so but at end of day you are watching rooney ect ect because of tan! i want tan gone but all the ones now wanting him gone (full stop) cannot give an alternative salution to our financial situation if he goes, like said support malky! but unless people can give alternative to tan, driving him out at this time is counter productive, as he may well throw toys out of pram as far as malky is concerned!

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

Moving it forward while the world laughs at us along the way as he does what he wants when he wants, wheres the so called financial stability then as ive not seen or been reading anything official from the club about this so called debt to equity which was supposed to happen 4 months ago if you read all the bullshit that the club release. we are in no diffrent position now than when he come in only worse in the black hole.

The world isnt laughing at us at the moment, they are nodding at our fans with a new found respect after the scenes at Liverpool.
How can you say the club isnt financially better off? we arent getting dragged to court with the threat of being wound up, and we do not owe money to everyone and their dog, the clubs debt is to the owner only. its not the mess it was NO WAY

Whats changed then enlighten me? we owe one man money who does what he wants with the club while fans like yourself live in fear of what he might do if we as fans question any crazy decisions he makes. blackmail spings to mind and thats how tan rolls with the media lets be real here

Im taking my dog for a walk, in the words of Arnie 'I'll be back'

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

Moving it forward while the world laughs at us along the way as he does what he wants when he wants, wheres the so called financial stability then as ive not seen or been reading anything official from the club about this so called debt to equity which was supposed to happen 4 months ago if you read all the bullshit that the club release. we are in no diffrent position now than when he come in only worse in the black hole.

The world isnt laughing at us at the moment, they are nodding at our fans with a new found respect after the scenes at Liverpool.
How can you say the club isnt financially better off? we arent getting dragged to court with the threat of being wound up, and we do not owe money to everyone and their dog, the clubs debt is to the owner only. its not the mess it was NO WAY

Whats changed then enlighten me? we owe one man money who does what he wants with the club while fans like yourself live in fear of what he might do if we as fans question any crazy decisions he makes. blackmail spings to mind and thats how tan rolls with the media lets be real here

whats changed is like gavin says we may owe tan the money at moment and debt to equity hasnt gone thru yet but we are financially more stable than before tan came, yes he makes crazy decisions but nothing new with premier owners in the past,
do you actually have an alternative salution to tans money? because as of now no one has come up with a sustainable alternative, and there lies them problem !

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

Moving it forward while the world laughs at us along the way as he does what he wants when he wants, wheres the so called financial stability then as ive not seen or been reading anything official from the club about this so called debt to equity which was supposed to happen 4 months ago if you read all the bullshit that the club release. we are in no diffrent position now than when he come in only worse in the black hole.

The world isnt laughing at us at the moment, they are nodding at our fans with a new found respect after the scenes at Liverpool.
How can you say the club isnt financially better off? we arent getting dragged to court with the threat of being wound up, and we do not owe money to everyone and their dog, the clubs debt is to the owner only. its not the mess it was NO WAY

Whats changed then enlighten me? we owe one man money who does what he wants with the club while fans like yourself live in fear of what he might do if we as fans question any crazy decisions he makes. blackmail spings to mind and thats how tan rolls with the media lets be real here

whats changed is like gavin says we may owe tan the money at moment and debt to equity hasnt gone thru yet but we are financially more stable than before tan came, yes he makes crazy decisions but nothing new with premier owners in the past,
do you actually have an alternative salution to tans money? because as of now no one has come up with a sustainable alternative, and there lies them problem !

alternative to what tan walking away from 130million quid because fans want blue back or do fans carry on while he changes more in the future living in fear or dont question him at all as he might bail out leaving 130million go down the pan, this would never happen allan not even the richest of the rich walk away from that sort of coin, the mans a lunatic who does not give two fucks

Theres only one more thing he can rebrand and thats the name. That, I believe hinges on the FA's decision on Hull.

That's just it though, you cannot "leave the rebrand" aside when it comes to judging VT, as it is the one major thing he has been criticised for!

I know that Barry, its a tough one, he will never be popular for that reason, but im trying to look beyond it to judge him on something other than that.

Your judging him on his wallet thats just it as where others have stopped caring about what if he goes and the other what ifs that follow

well he is moving our club forward in terms of facilites and financial stability, it alls leads back to his wallet i guess yes

Moving it forward while the world laughs at us along the way as he does what he wants when he wants, wheres the so called financial stability then as ive not seen or been reading anything official from the club about this so called debt to equity which was supposed to happen 4 months ago if you read all the bullshit that the club release. we are in no diffrent position now than when he come in only worse in the black hole.

The world isnt laughing at us at the moment, they are nodding at our fans with a new found respect after the scenes at Liverpool.
How can you say the club isnt financially better off? we arent getting dragged to court with the threat of being wound up, and we do not owe money to everyone and their dog, the clubs debt is to the owner only. its not the mess it was NO WAY

Whats changed then enlighten me? we owe one man money who does what he wants with the club while fans like yourself live in fear of what he might do if we as fans question any crazy decisions he makes. blackmail spings to mind and thats how tan rolls with the media lets be real here

whats changed is like gavin says we may owe tan the money at moment and debt to equity hasnt gone thru yet but we are financially more stable than before tan came, yes he makes crazy decisions but nothing new with premier owners in the past,
do you actually have an alternative salution to tans money? because as of now no one has come up with a sustainable alternative, and there lies them problem !

alternative to what tan walking away from 130million quid because fans want blue back or do fans carry on while he changes more in the future living in fear or dont question him at all as he might bail out leaving 130million go down the pan, this would never happen allan not even the richest of the rich walk away from that sort of coin, the mans a lunatic who does not give two fucks

thats the point he wont walk away but he is mad enough to do something unexpected thats what i worry about, so why are people now after getting there way over malky are wanting him out? by your own words he wont walk so why should he take any notice of protests? he will just ignore them because he can, and probably sack malky in revenge, there for undoing what fans suceeded in doing.

Theres only one more thing he can rebrand and thats the name. That, I believe hinges on the FA's decision on Hull.

A bit like hull citys name which is down the the major stakeholders at the club to agree or not to the FA , some said it could never happen but if this does we are in for the same treatment i feel craig and then fans will be scratching there heads thinking WHY DIDNT I ........

If we show Tan a little respect, due to the fact he has changed in mind on this matter, and push for him to work with Malky, it will be far more beneficial for the club than pitchforks and torches on Boxing day. This is best done via the supporters trust, who I think have a meeting with Tan on the 28th?? We have shown him the results of working against us (Liverpool ), lets show him the benefits of working with us.

There is a simple message that we can give that would unite our fans, how about a chant such as:

Good owners regularly talk to club fans
Great owners always work with the fans
Ignoring the fans is such a pity
Together we can make a great Cardiff City

Surely this is what we all want. If Tan is willing to work with the fans the issues will disappear. The good thing about a chant like this is that it gives a positive message. Offer this as an olive branch to Tan, the world will be on our side.

If we show Tan a little respect, due to the fact he has changed in mind on this matter, and push for him to work with Malky, it will be far more beneficial for the club than pitchforks and torches on Boxing day. This is best done via the supporters trust, who I think have a meeting with Tan on the 28th?? We have shown him the results of working against us (Liverpool ), lets show him the benefits of working with us.

I agree.

He wanted to sack Malky he got loads of shit
He back tracks and says he can stay
He gets loads of shit
Bollox, I may aswell go through with my original plan as Im getting shit anyway