Malky, other managers?

What other club would be calling for the owner to go because he's not given the manager money on top of plenty already spent.....hmmm. Yes tan is a lunatic but he's not giving the malky any money and who can blame him we are only seeing 2/3 of the players he spent the money on before the season started. I'm sure anyone of us would love to part with that sort of cash and be happy with that situation ( one for the future) in the prem in out 1st season........so yes tan out, malky out, tea lady out, grass lights out and so on

In this case the fans are just as mad as the owner.

Allowing him to take over in the first place, begging him to rebrand you after he backed down, standing by without much complaint citing financial security as the reason for rolling over, then getting annoyed because he wont loan you more than £50m a season on players

Incredible scenario really.

I know castro, the thing is there seems to be more people turning on tan now not because he rebranded the club on a whim its because he will not spend anymore money and I don't blame him either would you. The same people on here turning on tan said the rebrand was the only option if we get debt free now there wanting tan out even more for not giving malky more money, you couldn't make this shit up

The debt has apparently been reduced and they want to add 50% back on. You would have thought lessons learned and all that.

Cardiff city remind me of a person who is in rehab after racking up credit card gambling debt up to their eye balls, finally get an intervention to which the debt is reduced and then cant help but relapse back into the brushing with self destruction and gambling with their future again.

The notion of living within the clubs means isnt even a fleeting thought for cardiff fans. I remember when they used to jibe about Tan being a billionaire and Huw not being wealthy - they seem to think the job of a chairman is to loan the club as much money as possible while sinking it into oblivion.

A chairman should be a treasurer that decides how to spend the CLUBS money the best way, amd Huw does that very well. Its amazing how many fans I see say the like of "if Tan goes who can we have that has hundreds of millions?" Its insane.

Wow Roath.

That is some great potitical spin you have got on the situation.
very impressive and plausible on the face of it.

Truth to many of us (who still go and who don't) is that we got
Hit for six by Sam and Ridsdale and geniunely thought CCFC we're gone.

TG and laterly Tan were reluctant saviours saving us from extinction
After beining sold a dummy by Riddler.

I don't care about the premier league or the continued racking up of spend
And what it does to clubs and fans. It is disgusting.

The rebrand was devastating to the club. (U don't see many cardiff tops around s wales these days)
Club split across new and old fans and those who need prem and those who don't.

What this latest episode is - is not money - its dirty washing in public.

For all I know. MM statement could be to future proof himself from an oncomming run of bad results.

Tan Out has been festering from the rebrand. Trouble is -the fans are not
United as they is no after Tan plan (so dammed if you do, dammed if you don't)

So while I want my club back (blue with warts). You jack twats can gloat
All you like (having had a free ground from your council and a chairman who
Is a fan - not a business man).

But what u can't do is take snippets of a minority of fans posts and judge us all the same.

A few pints will releave the stress of any scotsman

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Wow Roath.

That is some great potitical spin you have got on the situation.
very impressive and plausible on the face of it.

Truth to many of us (who still go and who don't) is that we got
Hit for six by Sam and Ridsdale and geniunely thought CCFC we're gone.

TG and laterly Tan were reluctant saviours saving us from extinction
After beining sold a dummy by Riddler.

I don't care about the premier league or the continued racking up of spend
And what it does to clubs and fans. It is disgusting.

The rebrand was devastating to the club. (U don't see many cardiff tops around s wales these days)
Club split across new and old fans and those who need prem and those who don't.

What this latest episode is - is not money - its dirty washing in public.

For all I know. MM statement could be to future proof himself from an oncomming run of bad results.

Tan Out has been festering from the rebrand. Trouble is -the fans are not
United as they is no after Tan plan (so dammed if you do, dammed if you don't)

So while I want my club back (blue with warts). You jack twats can gloat
All you like (having had a free ground from your council and a chairman who
Is a fan - not a business man).

But what u can't do is take snippets of a minority of fans posts and judge us all the same.

You genuinelly think Tan backers are in the minority? No chance.

You could have stopped him many times. Marching or saying you dont like the rebrand does nothing. He saw his changes as validated by money and people renewed and bought tickets on a scale greater than ever before.

Tan was backed, no question, by the majority of the Cardiff match going fam base. That much is obvious.

Swansea fans who are criticising fans for still going under Tan, yet they still went themselves under Petty.

Swansea fans who are criticising fans for still going under Tan, yet they still went themselves under Petty.

Think we have discussed this before.

Going is fine if it is to protest verhemently and use the voice you have to oust the chairman or force the change you want - In one way or another you have to make a stand that makes a difference - not just wearing the away kit and sitting quitly and clapping.

Under Petty the amount of money brought in by the 3,500 attendance at £4 - £7 a pop would have been paltry and not worth the boycott. Instead we banded together, went to the games and made his life hell to the point he had to leave at half time and forced the sale to the consortium.

The two scenarios are vastly different considering the funds brought in from your Championship support was 24,000 of £25 a head.

You genuinelly think Tan backers are in the minority? No chance.

You could have stopped him many times. Marching or saying you dont like the rebrand does nothing. He saw his changes as validated by money and people renewed and bought tickets on a scale greater than ever before.

Tan was backed, no question, by the majority of the Cardiff match going fam base. That much is obvious.

Fidel Castroath


We had the one major chance to stop him and shit it.

Of the people on this message board and at the ground, there are large numbers of Team Tan.

What you and others are failing to grasp is the sheer numbers of fans who have stopped going because of rebrand etc. I can honestly real off about 50 that I know well from my area alone. I can ask fans from many areas and they can count 10/20 etc that have stopped going.I estimate numbers as large as 4000 ( and their future off spring) that don't go and have stopped paying Tan for his rebrand.
I also estimate that 10,000 that do still go are either anti Tan or definitely pro blue.
That is it 14,000- our true regular blue lowest leagues/championship - last 10 year average-ish fan base.

10,000 of us at the ground, who are blue bluebirds.
(some (inc me) only getting STs to see us for 1 season in premier)

There are 8 - 10,000 Tan/ red/ or that feel we have earned the right for premier so reluctantly accept.

There are 6 - 8000 new fans - don't care either way, want to see top football, played with style (which isn't happening).

Tan expansion of stadium is crazy in my opinion - he could have had a big club.
now we are a club waiting to burst at any sign of slippage or more rebrand.

4000 that have stopped going because of the rebrand?

Thats bollocks!

You genuinelly think Tan backers are in the minority? No chance.

You could have stopped him many times. Marching or saying you dont like the rebrand does nothing. He saw his changes as validated by money and people renewed and bought tickets on a scale greater than ever before.

Tan was backed, no question, by the majority of the Cardiff match going fam base. That much is obvious.

Fidel Castroath


We had the one major chance to stop him and shit it.

Of the people on this message board and at the ground, there are large numbers of Team Tan.

What you and others are failing to grasp is the sheer numbers of fans who have stopped going because of rebrand etc. I can honestly real off about 50 that I know well from my area alone. I can ask fans from many areas and they can count 10/20 etc that have stopped going.I estimate numbers as large as 4000 ( and their future off spring) that don't go and have stopped paying Tan for his rebrand.
I also estimate that 10,000 that do still go are either anti Tan or definitely pro blue.
That is it 14,000- our true regular blue lowest leagues/championship - last 10 year average-ish fan base.

10,000 of us at the ground, who are blue bluebirds.
(some (inc me) only getting STs to see us for 1 season in premier)

There are 8 - 10,000 Tan/ red/ or that feel we have earned the right for premier so reluctantly accept.

There are 6 - 8000 new fans - don't care either way, want to see top football, played with style (which isn't happening).

Tan expansion of stadium is crazy in my opinion - he could have had a big club.
now we are a club waiting to burst at any sign of slippage or more rebrand.

Didnt only like 20 hand back their season tickets when offered a refund?

You have said there is 10,000 of you who have just renewed to see one season of Prem football, for me thats so hypocritical. Im not having a go at you as it is your choice. But you must see that it sounds terrible, you are only going to watch Prem football - which is the exact problem. If those 10,000 put the club ahead of prem football then i dont think we woud be having this conversation now.

I doubt there are that many who have boycotted. Id be very suprised if it was any more than 500 - in fact 500 would greatly suprise me. The fact is, it should be 20,000 not just 500 and that was my point. The majority stood by and watched just to get prem football.

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Think we have discussed this before.

Going is fine if it is to protest verhemently and use the voice you have to oust the chairman or force the change you want - In one way or another you have to make a stand that makes a difference - not just wearing the away kit and sitting quitly and clapping.

Under Petty the amount of money brought in by the 3,500 attendance at £4 - £7 a pop would have been paltry and not worth the boycott. Instead we banded together, went to the games and made his life hell to the point he had to leave at half time and forced the sale to the consortium.

The two scenarios are vastly different considering the funds brought in from your Championship support was 24,000 of £25 a head.

Swansea fans still lined the pockets off the man they supposedly hated so much... It's pure hypocrisy.

In this case the fans are just as mad as the owner.

Allowing him to take over in the first place, begging him to rebrand you after he backed down, standing by without much complaint citing financial security as the reason for rolling over, then getting annoyed because he wont loan you more than £50m a season on players

Incredible scenario really.

Your so full of shit it's unreal. Why do the Jacks keep saying 'You let him take over' Like we had a choice, The only way to stop him was to boycott the club, That will never happen.

Didnt only like 20 hand back their season tickets when offered a refund?

You have said there is 10,000 of you who have just renewed to see one season of Prem football, for me thats so hypocritical. Im not having a go at you as it is your choice. But you must see that it sounds terrible, you are only going to watch Prem football - which is the exact problem. If those 10,000 put the club ahead of prem football then i dont think we woud be having this conversation now.

I doubt there are that many who have boycotted. Id be very suprised if it was any more than 500 - in fact 500 would greatly suprise me. The fact is, it should be 20,000 not just 500 and that was my point. The majority stood by and watched just to get prem football.


Roath
I've been going for 25 years, with my brothers and mates, club is in our veins.
I have met mates for all over - good people - the match is part of a whole match day experience.
We have watched shite and dirty chairmen rinsing us and racking up debt for most of that time.

So to me its like a slow divorce to others the 4000 who never bought and the 20 who returned their STs - the split was more instant.

I now people who haven't renewed for this season we are in
I have stomached it for a chance to see us in Premier league but it aint worth it and a lot of soul searching when we should be bouncing up and down just to be here. -but I too will split.


Until you have walked a mile in another mans shoes and have detailed 25 year depth of knowledge of how fans attract and move away or return to CCFC then all you can do is Hypothesize for your desktop fella.

Think we have discussed this before.

Going is fine if it is to protest verhemently and use the voice you have to oust the chairman or force the change you want - In one way or another you have to make a stand that makes a difference - not just wearing the away kit and sitting quitly and clapping.

Under Petty the amount of money brought in by the 3,500 attendance at £4 - £7 a pop would have been paltry and not worth the boycott. Instead we banded together, went to the games and made his life hell to the point he had to leave at half time and forced the sale to the consortium.

The two scenarios are vastly different considering the funds brought in from your Championship support was 24,000 of £25 a head.

Swansea fans still lined the pockets off the man they supposedly hated so much... It's pure hypocrisy.

If you cannot see the difference then im lost for words, although i suspect you are fully aware of the difference yet keep up your point which isnt really relatable.

£7000 avter tax per game is what the gate reciepts were, and they were paid to force the chairman out - it was hell in there. Awesome to be a part of.

Now compare that with maybe £300,000 per game for 3 years without uttering a word just clapping whats going on.

4000 that have stopped going because of the rebrand?

Thats bollocks!

Prove me wrong then Paul

You can make excuses up all you like about money not being the same - you're criticising Cardiff fans for attending whilst being against the decision of the owner, when Swansea fans did exactly the same thing with Petty.

It's pure hypocrisy.

In this case the fans are just as mad as the owner.

Allowing him to take over in the first place, begging him to rebrand you after he backed down, standing by without much complaint citing financial security as the reason for rolling over, then getting annoyed because he wont loan you more than £50m a season on players

Incredible scenario really.

Your so full of shit it's unreal. Why do the Jacks keep saying 'You let him take over' Like we had a choice, The only way to stop him was to boycott the club, That will never happen.

You can call me names all you want.

Tans decisions are made for financial reasons. If you stopped going in protest to the changes I can almost guarantee you that you would be blue now - he would not stand by while his company loses £7 million in gate reciepts and the team affected by a ghost stadium. He would have no real choice.

Tan relented already, he released a statement saying he was not going ahead with it - it caused panic as people saw the premier league slipping away and begged him to do it. You cant cry foul now.

You can make excuses up all you like about money not being the same - you're criticising Cardiff fans for attending whilst being against the decision of the owner, when Swansea fans did exactly the same thing with Petty.

It's pure hypocrisy.

Are you not reading what im saying? Its not about "just attending".

If you go but use that seat to make the change you want then there is no issue in that. Biying a ticket just to watch the match the same as you always have it what im telling you that you all did en masse - that certainly is not what we did and he was ousted within weeks.

Now do we continue this nonsense or shall we doscuss things like adults, you are not a stupid man Alex, you know exactly what the difference is.

4000 that have stopped going because of the rebrand?

Thats bollocks!

Prove me wrong then Paul

fantastic.

ok. 1000 people have defected to support swansea after the re-brand.

Prove me wrong


4,000 people not going any more becuase of the change of shirt colour is bollocks. You cant just make up a number to make your own argument sound valid.

Roath
I've been going for 25 years, with my brothers and mates, club is in our veins.
I have met mates for all over - good people - the match is part of a whole match day experience.
We have watched shite and dirty chairmen rinsing us and racking up debt for most of that time.

So to me its like a slow divorce to others the 4000 who never bought and the 20 who returned their STs - the split was more instant.

I now people who haven't renewed for this season we are in
I have stomached it for a chance to see us in Premier league but it aint worth it and a lot of soul searching when we should be bouncing up and down just to be here. -but I too will split.


Until you have walked a mile in another mans shoes and have detailed 25 year depth of knowledge of how fans attract and move away or return to CCFC then all you can do is Hypothesize for your desktop fella.

Been there bought the t-shirt mate.

Supported the Swans for a similar amount of time, 21 years. And we had a chairman come in and try to ruin us - we clubbed together, got him out. Set up a trust and now own more than 20% of our club and have a voice which we worked tirelessly for.

There is no way we would have rolled over and carried on as normal no matter what promises were made.

Are you not reading what im saying? Its not about "just attending".

If you go but use that seat to make the change you want then there is no issue in that. Biying a ticket just to watch the match the same as you always have it what im telling you that you all did en masse - that certainly is not what we did and he was ousted within weeks.

Now do we continue this nonsense or shall we doscuss things like adults, you are not a stupid man Alex, you know exactly what the difference is.

Lambasting Cardiff fans for still attending despite being against the owners actions - which is exactly what Swansea City fans did too.

If you boycotted Petty, I'd understand your point - but the fact that the majority of Jacks still attended despite being against the owner and his actions.

So to then lambast Cardiff fans for exactly the same is hypocritical in my opinion & that's my final say on the matter.

Are you not reading what im saying? Its not about "just attending".

If you go but use that seat to make the change you want then there is no issue in that. Biying a ticket just to watch the match the same as you always have it what im telling you that you all did en masse - that certainly is not what we did and he was ousted within weeks.

Now do we continue this nonsense or shall we doscuss things like adults, you are not a stupid man Alex, you know exactly what the difference is.

Lambasting Cardiff fans for still attending despite being against the owners actions - which is exactly what Swansea City fans did too.

thats not exactly what we did though was it? Why arent you grasping that? We didnt even watch the games ffs im sure it only needed 2 games of pure bile aimed at him - we never relented not even after the final whistle.

If you boycotted Petty, I'd understand your point - but the fact that the majority of Jacks still attended despite being against the owner and his actions.

we have been through this. Boycotting Petty would make no difference, the £7000 gate receipts would hardly be missed in our situation - its not a statement is it, taking £7000 away. We used our seat to oust him - and we did. You guys used tour seat in the same way you always did, to watch the game and cheer.

So to then lambast Cardiff fans for exactly the same is hypocritical in my opinion & that's my final say on the matter.

its your final say because you know you are wrong, everyone can see you are wrong and you hate admitting it. especially to me

Surely only someone such as Swansealad could look at the two scenarios and think they are the same. Maybe its your guilt talking.

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In my opinion, any Swansea fan criticising a Cardiff fan for still attending under Tan when they still attended during Petty's era is being a hypocrite.

Having a go at someone for doing exactly the same as they did themselves. Pure hypocrisy.

I'm not wrong. I am totally correct - any Swansea fan criticising a Cardiff fan for still attending under Tan when they still attended during Petty's era is being a hypocrite.

Having a go at someone for doing exactly the same as they did themselves. Pure hypocrisy.

Nope. You are quite clearly incorrect.

I have told you time and time again that attending the game isnt the issue - attending the game and not using your seat to force your change is what my point is. You are being very pedantic and very silly, its tiresome. (Please understand this point so we can progress this debate)

Are you suggesting going to the game to non stop chant "petty out" standing on our seats is the same as going to the game and clapping and cheering as you normally would. One seat is used to oppose the chairman the other is used to do nothing.

You are losing a bit of respect here Alex. Again I shall assume its the guilt talking as you are unable to accept this.

I'm suggesting anyone who criticises a Cardiff fan for still going, when they still attended themselves when they were against the owner of a club, is a hypocrite.

You can dress it up in whatever way you like, you were still handing money over to the man who you claimed to dislike so much.. Exactly the same as the majority of Cardiff fans are doing now.

I hate Tan & I hate the rebrand - but I will still go along and give he team the same unwavering support that I always have done. Loyalty to the team and the club dictates that.

I'd be more than happy to protest at any time - I've already done lots myself, but the reality is Roath, the majority of fans don't care enough. I'm very much in a minority.

Fan dynamics have changed & the majority just wanted to see a well run club, despite its cost with the loss of identity.

I'm not saying that I agree with them, we should have continued to fight when he originally said he wouldn't change them - but I can sympathise why fans wanted a stable club after many uncertain years on the brink... And that's down to many chairmen from the past who are still lauded on here - not Tan.

I'm suggesting anyone who criticises a Cardiff fan for still going, when they still attended themselves when they were against the owner of a club, is a hypocrite.

maybe if i try it in bold? IM NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYONE FOR GOING. IM SAYING ANYONE GOING SHOULD HAVE USED THEIR SEAT TO FORCE THE CHANGE. Did the bold help? I still have an underline up my sleeve.

You can dress it up in whatever way you like, you were still handing money over to the man who you claimed to dislike so much.. Exactly the same as the majority of Cardiff fans are doing now.

it doesnt matter. Money isnt the issue here, we could have given him nothing and things wouldnt have changed due to the money us handing over not being enough to register - it was far more beneficial to use our seat to protest - our situations are vastly different so expecting the same protest is ridiculous.

I hate Tan & I hate the rebrand - but I will still go along and give he team the same unwavering support that I always have done. Loyalty to the team and the club dictates that.

and this is the real issue - you are in that group that continue to hand over your money and say nothing.

I'd be more than happy to protest at any time - I've already done lots myself, but the reality is Roath, the majority of fans don't care enough. I'm very much in a minority.

i agree with you there, and its my entire point. If you went and protested and stood on your seat and for 90 mins shouted for tan to f**k off you would soon be shouted down - your fan base is split. Hence why its clear a boycott would be far better. Empty seats would get the point across where protests wouldnt due to the split.

The last thing you should do however is go and say nothing, that makes you no different to the ones that love it in tans eyes. Why is it different?

Fan dynamics have changed & the majority just wanted to see a well run club, despite its cost with the loss of identity.

I'm not saying that I agree with them, we should have continued to fight when he originally said he wouldn't change them - but I can sympathise why fans wanted a stable club after many uncertain years on the brink... And that's down to many chairmen from the past who are still lauded on here - not Tan.

you were never ever going to be stable with him at the helm, it was just a stay of execution. He can literally do ANYTHING. That isnt stable. Yet on that note, those fans that cry financial security are the ones loving the multi million pound signings,

If I did what you suggested, I'd be thrown out within 5 minutes.

I agree totally with your other points - except that Swansea fans shouldn't look down so much as they attended just the same... Big difference is/was that you were all united against Petty.

It is much herder to do any sort of protest with a minority.

For me, the best protest is to wear BLUE. Tan has already addressed fans saying that he doesn't like fans wearing and singing blue..

If I boycotted - my seat would be taken by one of the 10k on our ST waiting list.. I'm sure they would happily wear a red shirt. THERE WOULD BE NO EMPTY SEAT.

If I did what you suggested, I'd be thrown out within 5 minutes.

I agree totally with your other points - except that Swansea fans shouldn't look down so much as they attended just the same... Big difference is/was that you were all united against Petty.

It is much herder to do any sort of protest with a minority.

For me, the best protest is to wear BLUE. Tan has already addressed fans saying that he doesn't like fans wearing and singing blue..

If I boycotted - my seat would be taken by one of the 10k on our ST waiting list.. I'm sure they would happily wear a red shirt. THERE WOULD BE NO EMPTY SEAT.

Thats why the petty and tan situations are so different. Not only would you be chucked out you would probably get a few slaps along the way.

Although in fairness, he did this in the championship, not the Premier League. Your seat would most defiantly have been empty.

From my perspective. The likes of TLG did the correct thing and as far as im concerned everyone had a duty to follow suit, they didnt - many ridiculing the likes of TLG.

As of now - I agree - its too late. However I dont think i could ever bring myself to continue going and carrying on as normal.