WHAT WOULD BE WORSE ?

Have those, who went over the top with their comments about the defeat to Crystal Palace and subsequently stated they would like to see Malky get the chop, calmed down yet ?

It was a poor performance against Palace, I don't think anybody is stating anything other than that but would we rather that poor performance have come against another team like Arsenal, United, Chelsea and been on the wrong end of a cricket score or even worse what if it had been against the Jacks ?

In an ideal world, or for ninety minutes of football, we would play every team off the park and win each game but we are a newly promoted side who will visit 19 away grounds over the course of the season and each of those nineteen teams we visit will all believe and the majority will expect to beat us and rightly so.

Of course the argument is for us to beat the sides close, or expected to be close, to the bottom at the end of the season, but would a 2-0 defeat to Palace away be worse for team spirit and confidence than say a 6 or 7 nil defeat to a more fancied side ?

As far as I am concerned shit happens but Malky Mackay's teams have quite often bounced back from a defeat with a performance and often a result.

On a side note I don't believe that the performance against Palace was the worst display of the season, I think that happened at Norwich.

I am going to enjoy this season of football whatever the 9 months will bring, I want and hope that we survive but it won't stop me enjoying this historic season.

City had a bad day at the office against palace,we now have a good chance to bounce back again west brom.

fair points but i reckon norwich are a better side than palace anyway . we were woeful last week make no mistake

anyhow a good trip last week carlos

Have those, who went over the top with their comments about the defeat to Crystal Palace and subsequently stated they would like to see Malky get the chop, calmed down yet ?

It was a poor performance against Palace, I don't think anybody is stating anything other than that but would we rather that poor performance have come against another team like Arsenal, United, Chelsea and been on the wrong end of a cricket score or even worse what if it had been against the Jacks ?

In an ideal world, or for ninety minutes of football, we would play every team off the park and win each game but we are a newly promoted side who will visit 19 away grounds over the course of the season and each of those nineteen teams we visit will all believe and the majority will expect to beat us and rightly so.

Of course the argument is for us to beat the sides close, or expected to be close, to the bottom at the end of the season, but would a 2-0 defeat to Palace away be worse for team spirit and confidence than say a 6 or 7 nil defeat to a more fancied side ?

As far as I am concerned shit happens but Malky Mackay's teams have quite often bounced back from a defeat with a performance and often a result.

On a side note I don't believe that the performance against Palace was the worst display of the season, I think that happened at Norwich.

I am going to enjoy this season of football whatever the 9 months will bring, I want and hope that we survive but it won't stop me enjoying this historic season.

Spot on, we all knew this was going to a tough season, but we are still in a good position, a couple of wins and we will be well on target. However 3 points against WBA is a must, I fancy a point against Liverpool as well

2-0 at palace hurts more than 6-0 by arsenal IMHO Carl

2-0 at palace hurts more than 6-0 by arsenal IMHO Carl

May hurt us, the fans, more but what would a 6-0 or greater defeat do for moral among the players and staff ?

2-0 to Palace is worse. We're not expected to get anything against United, City etc so if we get beaten we just move on as quick as possible and put it far behind us.

Palace who have a Championship squad and were many points behind us not too long ago now take a vital 3 points and sit 1 point behind us. We made them look a lot better than they are which hurts more than if City played to the ability (which we know they are capable of) and beat us 6-0.

2-0 at palace hurts more than 6-0 by arsenal IMHO Carl

May hurt us, the fans, more but what would a 6-0 or greater defeat do for moral among the players and staff ?

I suppose Saturday will answer your Question.

for the fans who started supporting the club in the last 10 years they have seen nothing but sucess now i am afraid you'll have to get used to being beaten and to struggle this season, it's no good crying or calling for the manager to get sacked this is a time to show what supporting your team good times and bad if you can call being a premier league club bad,this is a time to shout your hearts out for the team whatever the result

2-0 at palace hurts more than 6-0 by arsenal IMHO Carl

May hurt us, the fans, more but what would a 6-0 or greater defeat do for moral among the players and staff ?

I suppose Saturday will answer your Question.

In a positive manner I hope

Often its not the loss but the way we play

Have those, who went over the top with their comments about the defeat to Crystal Palace and subsequently stated they would like to see Malky get the chop, calmed down yet ?

It was a poor performance against Palace, I don't think anybody is stating anything other than that but would we rather that poor performance have come against another team like Arsenal, United, Chelsea and been on the wrong end of a cricket score or even worse what if it had been against the Jacks ?

In an ideal world, or for ninety minutes of football, we would play every team off the park and win each game but we are a newly promoted side who will visit 19 away grounds over the course of the season and each of those nineteen teams we visit will all believe and the majority will expect to beat us and rightly so.

Of course the argument is for us to beat the sides close, or expected to be close, to the bottom at the end of the season, but would a 2-0 defeat to Palace away be worse for team spirit and confidence than say a 6 or 7 nil defeat to a more fancied side ?

As far as I am concerned shit happens but Malky Mackay's teams have quite often bounced back from a defeat with a performance and often a result.

On a side note I don't believe that the performance against Palace was the worst display of the season, I think that happened at Norwich.

I am going to enjoy this season of football whatever the 9 months will bring, I want and hope that we survive but it won't stop me enjoying this historic season.

Would have rathered we had gone and beaten palace and got 3 pts on the board and played shit against Arsenal away..

at the end of the day.. we havent got a premiership team. we need to replace 5 or 6 members of our team. to finish a good mid table, aint malkies fault. we need more quality in our team, shall i say FACT?

as far as i am concerned the palace defeat is done now and its back to supporting the boys again for the next game.

It was never going to be easy in the prem every game is hard no matter who it is and no team has a right to expect to win games you have to earn a win look at man city against us we won the game against all the odds.

man city just got on with it and thats what we have to do .

Its never been an easy ride with the city and anybody that is used to anything different then get used to it.

people support man u liverpool because its easy they like a winning team.

I support city because they are my home town club which i am proud of not a team miles away.

doesnt matter what is the worst situation and who we win or lose to its about being realistic and just getting on with it and supporting the club.

If I can still be here after what Tan has done to us then a defeat to palace is something i can cope with.

A win against wba will make us all feel a lot better so lets hope for 3 points saturday.

Nobody is saying that there are no hard games all games are hard ones, but it was the manor in the way we lost at palace

A heavy defeat by anyone is bad.......is worse.

Losing 2 nil to palace is a 2 nil defeat. Losing 4, 5 or 6 nil to anyone is also a defeat, but it's a massive goal difference.

With the likelihood of points being very close and possibly level, goal difference will be critical at the end of the season.
Worth an extra point.
At present our goal difference is better than others and worth an extra point.

So if we do lose games we must stay focused and keep the scores down....if we can !

Often its not the loss but the way we play

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It's not losing, or even the performance really it's the fact that Malky has broad cast to the league that no matter who you are Cardiff will punt long balls up field to a striker that isn't a lone striker and let you have the ball as much as you want.

What is the point of being in the premier league to just be scared of the opposition. These over defend tactics are understandable against the better teams in this league, but Crystal Palace? I'm not saying Cardiff should win, but they should at least be in the game.

Anyone who looked at that starting XI pre-palace knew Cardiff would lose. What sort of manager does that?

Have those, who went over the top with their comments about the defeat to Crystal Palace and subsequently stated they would like to see Malky get the chop, calmed down yet ?

It was a poor performance against Palace, I don't think anybody is stating anything other than that but would we rather that poor performance have come against another team like Arsenal, United, Chelsea and been on the wrong end of a cricket score or even worse what if it had been against the Jacks ?

In an ideal world, or for ninety minutes of football, we would play every team off the park and win each game but we are a newly promoted side who will visit 19 away grounds over the course of the season and each of those nineteen teams we visit will all believe and the majority will expect to beat us and rightly so.

Of course the argument is for us to beat the sides close, or expected to be close, to the bottom at the end of the season, but would a 2-0 defeat to Palace away be worse for team spirit and confidence than say a 6 or 7 nil defeat to a more fancied side ?

As far as I am concerned shit happens but Malky Mackay's teams have quite often bounced back from a defeat with a performance and often a result.

On a side note I don't believe that the performance against Palace was the worst display of the season, I think that happened at Norwich.

I am going to enjoy this season of football whatever the 9 months will bring, I want and hope that we survive but it won't stop me enjoying this historic season.

Spot on, we all knew this was going to a tough season, but we are still in a good position, a couple of wins and we will be well on target. However 3 points against WBA is a must, I fancy a point against Liverpool as well

I think we will bounce back with a 2-0 victory of our own on Saturday, as long as Malky sets us up to attack. I think we are playing Liverpool at a good time - no Gerrard and no Sturridge. OK that still leaves some decent players with Suarez top of the list, but we did a fairly good job against the majority of them at CC Final so if we play well on the day we are in with the chance of a point.

It's not losing, or even the performance really it's the fact that Malky has broad cast to the league that no matter who you are Cardiff will punt long balls up field to a striker that isn't a lone striker and let you have the ball as much as you want.

What is the point of being in the premier league to just be scared of the opposition. These over defend tactics are understandable against the better teams in this league, but Crystal Palace? I'm not saying Cardiff should win, but they should at least be in the game.

Anyone who looked at that starting XI pre-palace knew Cardiff would lose. What sort of manager does that?

Agree completely.

Sorry Carl but have to say you're missing the point entirely with regards to many supporters venting their frustrations with Malky. It wasn't a knee jerk reaction to the poor performance against Palace. Any team just like Chelsea against Stoke proved can have a bad day at the office.
However the way City are currently playing has me at a loss. I've yet to read or understand one single explanation to our lack of tactics.

* no width
* no pace
* a midfield containing 5 central midfielders
* long hoof balls missing our over crowded midfield to a short lone striker - not a chance in Hell to retain possession and we therefore give the ball back to the opposition (we defend again).
* the reluctance to play Noone, Hudson or A-Corn. Replacing Campbell with Odemwingie. Can anyone explain that one????

Playing the Championship style battle and never say die football, will grind out the occasional result, but it's certainly not good enough in this league as teams have quality that will punish errors.
The facts at the end of the day don't lie. Our results over the past 30 or so games would have any manager fearing for his job.
No hiding away from it. Malky is fantastic with the media and supporters, but I fear no matter how many fists pumps he does, the results and league position will catch up with him.

Personally speaking I so want him to succeed, but unless he changes our formation and negativity, the playing not to lose rather than playing to win, will end in him leaving us.
He'll then develop his managerial skills at some Championship club for a couple of years, then go on to become one of the greatest managers this country has seen since AF.

NorthamptonBlues - Spot On my friend.

Apart from the comment about Malky being one of the top managers in the country sadly.....

I firmly feel there are actually 6 young British managers (at least) who are going to have better managerial careers:

Steve Clarke, Brendan Rodgers, Paul Lambert, Chris Hughton and more.....

People say Malky is learning etc... Well, the aforementioned are all of a similar age - are they still learning aswell????

Cardiff City is the most important thing - Malky was not even here 30 months ago so without him I'm sure we'll survive....

Bluebirds!

[quote="carlccfc"]Have those, who went over the top with their comments about the defeat to Crystal Palace and subsequently stated they would like to see Malky get the chop, calmed down yet ?

'calmed down yet?'

stop being so patronizing, you haven't been watching them a tomato season. You speak a lot of sense most of the time but change the tone fella

NorthamptonBlues - Spot On my friend.

Apart from the comment about Malky being one of the top managers in the country sadly.....

I firmly feel there are actually 6 young British managers (at least) who are going to have better managerial careers:

Steve Clarke, Brendan Rodgers, Paul Lambert, Chris Hughton and more.....

People say Malky is learning etc... Well, the aforementioned are all of a similar age - are they still learning aswell????

Cardiff City is the most important thing - Malky was not even here 30 months ago so without him I'm sure we'll survive....

Bluebirds!

I truly believe Malky will be up there with the best.

Tan however will not wait until this happens, but do a Soton.
He'll find a foreign manager to come in. If the new man succeeds (like Soton) then he'll be worshipped. If he fails miserably, it will be because he inherited Malky's team. Either way he can't lose.
Plenty of decent managers would jump at the chance.

NorthamptonBlues - Spot On my friend.

Apart from the comment about Malky being one of the top managers in the country sadly.....

I firmly feel there are actually 6 young British managers (at least) who are going to have better managerial careers:

Steve Clarke, Brendan Rodgers, Paul Lambert, Chris Hughton and more.....

People say Malky is learning etc... Well, the aforementioned are all of a similar age - are they still learning aswell????

Cardiff City is the most important thing - Malky was not even here 30 months ago so without him I'm sure we'll survive....

Bluebirds!

the still learning tag infuriates..........its his 2nd job..and 5th year as a manager,he has a reputed 6 figure salary, and has been trusted with almost £50 million pounds to spend on players over his 5 transfer windows so far.

Have those, who went over the top with their comments about the defeat to Crystal Palace and subsequently stated they would like to see Malky get the chop, calmed down yet ?

It was a poor performance against Palace, I don't think anybody is stating anything other than that but would we rather that poor performance have come against another team like Arsenal, United, Chelsea and been on the wrong end of a cricket score or even worse what if it had been against the Jacks ?

In an ideal world, or for ninety minutes of football, we would play every team off the park and win each game but we are a newly promoted side who will visit 19 away grounds over the course of the season and each of those nineteen teams we visit will all believe and the majority will expect to beat us and rightly so.

Of course the argument is for us to beat the sides close, or expected to be close, to the bottom at the end of the season, but would a 2-0 defeat to Palace away be worse for team spirit and confidence than say a 6 or 7 nil defeat to a more fancied side ?

As far as I am concerned shit happens but Malky Mackay's teams have quite often bounced back from a defeat with a performance and often a result.

On a side note I don't believe that the performance against Palace was the worst display of the season, I think that happened at Norwich.

I am going to enjoy this season of football whatever the 9 months will bring, I want and hope that we survive but it won't stop me enjoying this historic season.

Well said mate, far too many pessimists on here I'm afraid who don't understand the game and expect too much.