Why are so many fans not happy with the away point

Did you all think we were going to turn into Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal over night once we got promoted, okay it's not the best football to watch but we have had some great results where most thought we wouldn't. The aim this season got to be just to stay in this division no matter how we do it then build on that for next season. so many moaning about only taking at Stoke who got the 2nd best defensive home record this season

Did you all think we were going to turn into Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal over night once we got promoted, okay it's not the best football to watch but we have had some great results where most thought we wouldn't. The aim this season got to be just to stay in this division no matter how we do it then build on that for next season. so many moaning about only taking at Stoke who got the 2nd best defensive home record this season

You are spot on!

Did you all think we were going to turn into Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal over night once we got promoted, okay it's not the best football to watch but we have had some great results where most thought we wouldn't. The aim this season got to be just to stay in this division no matter how we do it then build on that for next season. so many moaning about only taking at Stoke who got the 2nd best defensive home record this season

Stop being so positive, it's not allowed on this board.

Did you all think we were going to turn into Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal over night once we got promoted, okay it's not the best football to watch but we have had some great results where most thought we wouldn't. The aim this season got to be just to stay in this division no matter how we do it then build on that for next season. so many moaning about only taking at Stoke who got the 2nd best defensive home record this season

Stop being so positive, it's not allowed on this board.

Sorry you would think we were rooted to the foot of the table at the moment

Did you all think we were going to turn into Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal over night once we got promoted, okay it's not the best football to watch but we have had some great results where most thought we wouldn't. The aim this season got to be just to stay in this division no matter how we do it then build on that for next season. so many moaning about only taking at Stoke who got the 2nd best defensive home record this season

Stop being so positive, it's not allowed on this board.

Sorry you would think we were rooted to the foot of the table at the moment

Embarrassing isn't it. I'd have hated to seen these people 20 years ago, then again they probably weren't around!

Stoke have always given us a tuning up there.No shame in a point at their place at all.Quite the opposite infact.Very difficult place to play and you keep picking up points so stop feckin moaning.

Stoke have always given us a tuning up there.No shame in a point at their place at all.Quite the opposite infact.Very difficult place to play and you keep picking up points so stop feckin moaning.

Never thought I'd agree with a jack but you're bang on. It's cringey how some fans expect us to perform at times.

The problem is, Social networking sites such as facebook, twitter and forum's are the worst thing to base fans opinion on as I believe that not even 50% of our clubs fan base post on these sites.

You tend to find the ones that have these extreme opinions are the loudest on these sites.

For me yes I was frustrated with some of the decisions MM made last night, however he is the manager, he is the one that see's the team in training on a daily basis and he and the team managed to get a point from a club (stoke) that has done very well at home over the past few seasons.

For now, survival is the key for the next few seasons and I'm more than happy to watch us scrape over the line if it means staying in this division. Also I'm confident MM can deliver PL football next season and take this club on to the next step, us as fans just need to be patient and get behind the team

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

Agree again. I'd take a season of scrapes if it means premier league survival. The future is what we build for.

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

what i see is that palace are the only side who have scored less than us.our goals against isnt too bad i guess, 4 teams in our mini league and newcastle have conceded more, but its the goals for that concern me. 11 in 14 matches and 3 of them in one game v man city, failing to score at all in half of the games we have played. But its not just the goals we arent scoring, its the fact that we really arent creating any chances, and dont look like we want too either.

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

what i see is that palace are the only side who have scored less than us.our goals against isnt too bad i guess, 4 teams in our mini league and newcastle have conceded more, but its the goals for that concern me. 11 in 14 matches and 3 of them in one game v man city, failing to score at all in half of the games we have played. But its not just the goals we arent scoring, its the fact that we really arent creating any chances, and dont look like we want too either.

Sunderland -17
Palace -14
Fulham -14

Norwich -16
Cardiff-9

Most seasons the league table will show the 3 worst sides that are relegated have the worst goal difference.I think you're about right at the moment.A side just above the relegation places.Not the best of sides but better than 3 or 4 others.

Talk about stating the obvious there

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

what i see is that palace are the only side who have scored less than us.our goals against isnt too bad i guess, 4 teams in our mini league and newcastle have conceded more, but its the goals for that concern me. 11 in 14 matches and 3 of them in one game v man city, failing to score at all in half of the games we have played. But its not just the goals we arent scoring, its the fact that we really arent creating any chances, and dont look like we want too either.

We're 15th though. Most of us will happily take that in May

I understand that football is all about opinions, but if for example you and several others marched to the CCS to protest that Malky should be sacked because we don't play enough attractive football then imagine just how f*cking ridiculous you'd look

Personally I'll accept a season of the occasional win with mainly defensive displays of consolidation to survive. When Malky goes, the foundation will be there for a more attack minded manager to take over. The building blocks are well in place. Perhaps they should employ someone like you to find the next manager. The forum that has all the answers

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

what i see is that palace are the only side who have scored less than us.our goals against isnt too bad i guess, 4 teams in our mini league and newcastle have conceded more, but its the goals for that concern me. 11 in 14 matches and 3 of them in one game v man city, failing to score at all in half of the games we have played. But its not just the goals we arent scoring, its the fact that we really arent creating any chances, and dont look like we want too either.

We're 15th though. Most of us will happily take that in May

I understand that football is all about opinions, but if for example you and several others marched to the CCS to protest that Malky should be sacked because we don't play enough attractive football then imagine just how f*cking ridiculous you'd look

Personally I'll accept a season of the occasional win with mainly defensive displays of consolidation to survive. When Malky goes, the foundation will be there for a more attack minded manager to take over. The building blocks are well in place. Perhaps they should employ someone like you to find the next manager. The forum that has all the answers

if calmed down a lot since last night and certainly wont be marching anywhere

but i do think Malky is on borrowed time. The tactics dont match the apparent ambition shown by tan. Hes stuck his money in and at the moment we are struggling to muster any chances to win games.

now that might all change, we seemed to have a go in the last few home matches and i was hoping we would carry that forward, but watching the set up last night was embarassing really.

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

what i see is that palace are the only side who have scored less than us.our goals against isnt too bad i guess, 4 teams in our mini league and newcastle have conceded more, but its the goals for that concern me. 11 in 14 matches and 3 of them in one game v man city, failing to score at all in half of the games we have played. But its not just the goals we arent scoring, its the fact that we really arent creating any chances, and dont look like we want too either.

We're 15th though. Most of us will happily take that in May

I understand that football is all about opinions, but if for example you and several others marched to the CCS to protest that Malky should be sacked because we don't play enough attractive football then imagine just how f*cking ridiculous you'd look

Personally I'll accept a season of the occasional win with mainly defensive displays of consolidation to survive. When Malky goes, the foundation will be there for a more attack minded manager to take over. The building blocks are well in place. Perhaps they should employ someone like you to find the next manager. The forum that has all the answers

Glad I'm not the only one who has this opinion. Does crack me up how some fans expect us to set the league alight. Take each game as it comes and keep picking up points towards safety. It's out first season, we have never played in this league before and we are still learning.

Last night was poor, but the knives have been out for Malky on here for a long time. It is frustrating as we have got the personnel to have a go at these sides, like possibly Noone should have been given a run out last night

Some of the criticism isn't constructive though but ive spent enough time on here that I should realise that these places scrape the barrels of the football supporting world, so it should be expected. As for Malky, I'm surprised he's lasted this long with the hothead in charge

If Makay keeps you up then he should be given the key to your city.He's doing a good job and you're difficult to beat.He's doing it his way because he knows you have to have something different to stay in the league.It just so happens defending deep, counter attack and set pieces is his choice to keep you up.We had our way, Norwich had theirs,Soton etc and this is your way, or Makay's. You've just got to get used to it and appreciate it like Stoke fans did.

Also it'll change in time with new signings so its not permanent.

5 of the last 6 teams to get promoted have stayed up in their first season. sure its not an easy thing to do, but its hardly mission impossible! yourselves norwich southampton and west ham did it easily.

I think you will too.I always look at the goals for and against column if im not looking at league points or position.Take a look at the bottom 3, i reckon that tells it's own story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

what i see is that palace are the only side who have scored less than us.our goals against isnt too bad i guess, 4 teams in our mini league and newcastle have conceded more, but its the goals for that concern me. 11 in 14 matches and 3 of them in one game v man city, failing to score at all in half of the games we have played. But its not just the goals we arent scoring, its the fact that we really arent creating any chances, and dont look like we want too either.

We're 15th though. Most of us will happily take that in May

I understand that football is all about opinions, but if for example you and several others marched to the CCS to protest that Malky should be sacked because we don't play enough attractive football then imagine just how f*cking ridiculous you'd look

Personally I'll accept a season of the occasional win with mainly defensive displays of consolidation to survive. When Malky goes, the foundation will be there for a more attack minded manager to take over. The building blocks are well in place. Perhaps they should employ someone like you to find the next manager. The forum that has all the answers

Spot on again CG,its the fans that need educating or some of them at least.

I am happy with the point but the dire football on show last night (again) is what has annoyed me. Starting 5 centre midfielders against Stoke? Where is the intent to win the game? For 30 odd million spent we deserve better football and a willing to win the match from our manager.

Stoke were there for the taking (so were we in that respect) but Malky once again, like against Villa, failed to bring on an attacking or creative sub to open the game up. Instead he was happy to watch both sides launch the ball back and forth for 90 minutes and then do his typical "Away games are very tough in this league so any point(s) is good" and "I have a great group here and I'm proud of them tonight" press conferences which don't fill me with confidence for any away game this season.

But this comment becomes pointless because Malky can do no wrong on this forum and you'll get labelled a "new fan" or a "plastic"

I am happy with the point but the dire football on show last night (again) is what has annoyed me. Starting 5 centre midfielders against Stoke? Where is the intent to win the game? For 30 odd million spent we deserve better football and a willing to win the match from our manager.

Stoke were there for the taking (so were we in that respect) but Malky once again, like against Villa, failed to bring on an attacking or creative sub to open the game up. Instead he was happy to watch both sides launch the ball back and forth for 90 minutes and then do his typical "Away games are very tough in this league so any point(s) is good" and "I have a great group here and I'm proud of them tonight" press conferences which don't fill me with confidence for any away game this season.

But this comment becomes pointless because Malky can do no wrong on this forum and you'll get labelled a "new fan" or a "plastic"

Ok, so what would you do to change it?

Did you all think we were going to turn into Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal over night once we got promoted, okay it's not the best football to watch but we have had some great results where most thought we wouldn't. The aim this season got to be just to stay in this division no matter how we do it then build on that for next season. so many moaning about only taking at Stoke who got the 2nd best defensive home record this season

Mate, I think it was as much about the way we might have 'nicked' the game had we tried a slightly different approach later in the game. Stoke (IMHO) were very poor for a 'home' team and might/should have been down to 10 had the referee been a little more accurate with his decision on both the Campbell/Adam/Crouch incident and the Campbell 'penalty' decision

On any other day (ad before we got there) I think we would all have taken a point and been happy

I am happy with the point but the dire football on show last night (again) is what has annoyed me. Starting 5 centre midfielders against Stoke? Where is the intent to win the game? For 30 odd million spent we deserve better football and a willing to win the match from our manager.

Stoke were there for the taking (so were we in that respect) but Malky once again, like against Villa, failed to bring on an attacking or creative sub to open the game up. Instead he was happy to watch both sides launch the ball back and forth for 90 minutes and then do his typical "Away games are very tough in this league so any point(s) is good" and "I have a great group here and I'm proud of them tonight" press conferences which don't fill me with confidence for any away game this season.

But this comment becomes pointless because Malky can do no wrong on this forum and you'll get labelled a "new fan" or a "plastic"

Ok, so what would you do to change it?

Go for the win when teams are clearly there for the taking. Bring Noone on to give them something to think about. Bring on Cornelius for one of the 5 midfielders we started so Stoke had a big, psychical striker to battle with along with a quick striker who stretches defenders.

Get more players up in support of Campbell so if he manages to win the ball off of their giant center backs he'll be able to lay it off to a player who isn't wearing the opposition shirt.

Also get them working on how to string 5 passes together without it going out for a throw in or going to the opposition.

Stop attacking through the middle all game. Get some width otherwise teams will sit narrow when we attack and we won't get anywhere.

Create more chances as well by playing more attacking an creative players.


Sorry for the long post but that is how I'd change it.

I can agree with your points and I can see your logic, however if that was the case we'd play noone every week. Stoke are a difficult side at home and you can see that they aren't pushovers. They've beaten good sides packed with quality throughout the years. I think malky played it safe last night and got a good point based on how we played. If we had changed it, yes we may have scored and created more chances but also it would have left us exposed to their winger in assaidi and counter attacking which could have backfired on us. We'd then have fans moaning that we should have gone more defensive. You can't win.