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Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:18 pm
I have been debating this for much of this afternoon with Annis.
The subject was 'how would the fans react, if we only took a point or two out of the next 4 games and Malky was sacked'.
I believe that if we lost to Man Utd and Arsenal and only got a point against both Stoke and Palace and Malky was sacked the fans would go mental.
I think Malky Mackay is in the hearts of the vast majority of City fans and even a run of 5 games without a win would not be enough of reason to get rid of him.
His two full seasons have had a measure of success about them and so far this season we are doing as well as many had hoped so I believe Malky has the support of the fans on his side even if we did hit a bad patch.
What do you think, should we go on a winless run of 4-5 games, how would the City fans react?
Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:29 pm
No decision should be made till at least after Christmas IMO
Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:38 pm
The sensible majority would be horrified and call for Tans head. Some would still try and justify what Tan had done.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:48 pm
Sadly I think a lot of fans are just waiting to stick the knife into Malkys
Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:50 pm
It's a results led business, nothing to do with fans so if we get only 2 points from these games chances are malky may well be gone. That's tans justification same as any other club you can mention. Nothing to do with fans trying to justify it if it happens.! Just simple football results. And yes will be backlash and so there should be.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:54 pm
Didn't chalton fan call for curbishleys coz they didn't think he was good enough ?
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:05 pm
Malky deserves the whole season at the very least
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:09 pm
carlccfc wrote:I have been debating this for much of this afternoon with Annis.
The subject was 'how would the fans react, if we only took a point or two out of the next 4 games and Malky was sacked'.
I believe that if we lost to Man Utd and Arsenal and only got a point against both Stoke and Palace and Malky was sacked the fans would go mental.
I think Malky Mackay is in the hearts of the vast majority of City fans and even a run of 5 games without a win would not be enough of reason to get rid of him.
His two full seasons have had a measure of success about them and so far this season we are doing as well as many had hoped so I believe Malky has the support of the fans on his side even if we did hit a bad patch.
What do you think, should we go on a winless run of 4-5 games, how would the City fans react?
There would be initial anger but if the new manager got us in the top ten come the end of season it would be Malky who? Fans are fickle ask Nigel Adkins
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:12 pm
pembroke allan wrote:It's a results led business, nothing to do with fans so if we get only 2 points from these games chances are malky may well be gone. That's tans justification same as any other club you can mention. Nothing to do with fans trying to justify it if it happens.! Just simple football results. And yes will be backlash and so there should be.

Interesting answer there Allan.
Even though we are playing two name games against two of the most successful teams in the premier league, Man Utd and Arsenal. Then we face two away games to Stoke and Palace, I do agree it is a results led business but you must factor in the opposition also and so far there is absolutely no results led reason why Malky should be sacked so taking only a point or two in the next four games will change my view on that.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:14 pm
steve davies wrote:carlccfc wrote:I have been debating this for much of this afternoon with Annis.
The subject was 'how would the fans react, if we only took a point or two out of the next 4 games and Malky was sacked'.
I believe that if we lost to Man Utd and Arsenal and only got a point against both Stoke and Palace and Malky was sacked the fans would go mental.
I think Malky Mackay is in the hearts of the vast majority of City fans and even a run of 5 games without a win would not be enough of reason to get rid of him.
His two full seasons have had a measure of success about them and so far this season we are doing as well as many had hoped so I believe Malky has the support of the fans on his side even if we did hit a bad patch.
What do you think, should we go on a winless run of 4-5 games, how would the City fans react?
There would be initial anger but if the new manager got us in the top ten come the end of season it would be Malky who? Fans are fickle ask Nigel Adkins
Yes Steve I agree but the question is what would be the reaction to the sacking of Malky and not whether someone else comes in and succeeds.
How big a reaction would there be if it happened ?
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:17 pm
If we only get a point from the next 5 games we will be in serious trouble but I think. We will beat stoke and palace could get a win on S.nday due to there injuries and a draw next week so things will be rosey lol
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:19 pm
darran1927 wrote:Malky deserves the whole season at the very least
I agree Darren but your statement brings me to a point that I had said back to me on the eve of the Man City game when I said exactly what you just did.
It was said that "if Malky is not getting the results come October time and we are only on say 8 points or lower then I am putting loyalty toward Malky Mackay ahead of the fortunes of the club and no one man is bigger than the club."
I got to be honest and say I found that a difficult statement to argue against but I still think Malky deserves this season.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:20 pm
carlccfc wrote:steve davies wrote:carlccfc wrote:I have been debating this for much of this afternoon with Annis.
The subject was 'how would the fans react, if we only took a point or two out of the next 4 games and Malky was sacked'.
I believe that if we lost to Man Utd and Arsenal and only got a point against both Stoke and Palace and Malky was sacked the fans would go mental.
I think Malky Mackay is in the hearts of the vast majority of City fans and even a run of 5 games without a win would not be enough of reason to get rid of him.
His two full seasons have had a measure of success about them and so far this season we are doing as well as many had hoped so I believe Malky has the support of the fans on his side even if we did hit a bad patch.
What do you think, should we go on a winless run of 4-5 games, how would the City fans react?
There would be initial anger but if the new manager got us in the top ten come the end of season it would be Malky who? Fans are fickle ask Nigel Adkins
Yes Steve I agree but the question is what would be the reaction to the sacking of Malky and not whether someone else comes in and succeeds.
How big a reaction would there be if it happened ?
Just initial anger Carl because for him to be sacked the team would probably be in the relegation zone and most fans would be worried about staying up.
The team always comes first as far as most fans are concerned
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:36 pm
I think the reaction will be based on how perform not on results alone if we keep playing a ultra defensive style regardless of the opposition, and a replacement comes in straight away the reaction would be one of disappointment but a hopeful acceptance of a improvement in the style of play. If the search for a replacement dragged on then IMO the all fans would turn on Tan.
I am hopeful Malky will turn our style of play around to suit the opposition
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:49 pm
I would like to see us playing more attractive football, but also think Malky should be safe in his job until the end of the season whatever happens.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:52 pm
this always puzzles me tbh.. took us up so should be given the season.heard it said so many times about various managers at lots of clubs. nobody ever seems to think this about the players..buy buy buy and we fans get all excited.
we all accept a player might be good in one division,not good enough for the next without it being proven {mark hudson }.
but with a manager there is a reluctance to change.i include myself in this thinking. but it makes no sense.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:10 pm
pembroke allan wrote:It's a results led business, nothing to do with fans so if we get only 2 points from these games chances are malky may well be gone. That's tans justification same as any other club you can mention. Nothing to do with fans trying to justify it if it happens.! Just simple football results. And yes will be backlash and so there should be.

Do all club owners operate along the same lines as Vincent Tan ?!
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:17 pm
We should just assume that we're going to lose to Man United and Arsenal, and two points against Stoke and Palace AWAY would be good in my opinion.
If Malky was sacked because of that then Tan will have a riot on his hands.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:25 pm
It's dependant on who replaced him.
What if malky left us for another club with us not yet safe. It's all purely business. Malky May always have a strong bond with us after giving us and him the first taste of the premiership. But he's ruthlessness and won't stay if chance to.progress his career comes up.
It's not a nice business but if we replace him and become better with results an style of play, I an most other fans will applaud the decision as a tough choice well made after a few month had past.
I don't think the saints would b where they are with Atkins. He did nothing wrong, but there was better available. Its not about being faithful it's about winning points.and making tough calls, moving on the club
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:35 pm
Maybe it would depend on who Tan has as a replacement, if he was a really top Manager people would be less upset....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder if Tan does have a plan B ????????
Personally I would be gutted, as Malky has done so well in every aspect of Mangement and seems a perfect fit, can handle the local press and always says the right things, especially with the fans, but as you say Carl, many of our fans are not very forgiving, and some are already moaning about our tactics.....
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:37 pm
Bluebina wrote:Maybe it would depend on who Tan has as a replacement, if he was a really top Manager people would be less upset....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder if Tan does have a plan B ????????
Personally I would be gutted, as Malky has done so well in every aspect of Mangement and seems a perfect fit, can handle the local press and always says the right things, especially with the fans, but as you say Carl, many of our fans are not very forgiving, and some are already moaning about our tactics.....
There's nobody out there who would do a better job than Malky
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:38 pm
And i would give malky till christmas next season even if we got relegated annis---have the fans forgotten the last 51 years---we have a great young manager and i for one am 100% behind malky
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:38 pm
JonCCFC wrote:Bluebina wrote:Maybe it would depend on who Tan has as a replacement, if he was a really top Manager people would be less upset....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder if Tan does have a plan B ????????
Personally I would be gutted, as Malky has done so well in every aspect of Mangement and seems a perfect fit, can handle the local press and always says the right things, especially with the fans, but as you say Carl, many of our fans are not very forgiving, and some are already moaning about our tactics.....
There's nobody out there who would do a better job than Malky
How do you know?
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:48 pm
Malky has done such a good job, that I feel we have a chance of getting points at Home to Man U and Arsenal, and of course wont expect them or be too disappointed if we don't, but before the start of the season, I wouldn't have given us a hope in hell.
We did well against Man City, Everton and Spurs, so have every hope we can frustrate Man U and Arsenal, but they will be really hard games. The fact that we will have had much more players left at home preparing for this game than Man U will be a big advantage, plus most of our players will be fresh amd will have had a nice break......
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:53 pm
To some extent the fiasco over Ian Moody's sacking has taken the pressure off Malky. The Newcastle game was diabolical in the first half, better in the second, but a lot of people were very unhappy. Not necessarily because we lost, but because of the negativity early in the game. Then came the international break, and the Moody shenanigans.
Personally, I think that Malky should be given the whole season, but football does not work like that. Remember Lennie Lwarence. Took us up, but then had to make way for Dave Jones. Say what you like about Jonesey, but his first task was to keep us up. Which he did, and established us in the Championship. Might be the same this season too.
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:55 pm
shite football,one shot a game but all four go in,4 one nils. take it all day
but yes,if we lose 3 draw 1 and the football is as it was at Villa park,Malky will be on thin ice
Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:04 pm
He should be afforded the opportunity to finish the job he started.
It has been well documented about the state of the squad when he arrived, compare that to now,in such a small space of time he has worked nothing short of a miracle.
So to Tan I would just say this,
"Don't sack Mackay,Malky Mackay............."
Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:21 pm
carlccfc wrote:I have been debating this for much of this afternoon with Annis.
The subject was 'how would the fans react, if we only took a point or two out of the next 4 games and Malky was sacked'.
I believe that if we lost to Man Utd and Arsenal and only got a point against both Stoke and Palace and Malky was sacked the fans would go mental.
I think Malky Mackay is in the hearts of the vast majority of City fans and even a run of 5 games without a win would not be enough of reason to get rid of him.
His two full seasons have had a measure of success about them and so far this season we are doing as well as many had hoped so I believe Malky has the support of the fans on his side even if we did hit a bad patch.
What do you think, should we go on a winless run of 4-5 games, how would the City fans react?
Can't see who we could get who would be better, I think Malky will go on to bigger and better things in the future, and will be regarded as one of Britain's top managers. His tactics may be a bit negative at the minute, but he is working with what he has right now, and his number one priority is avoiding the bottom three. Hopefully he will succeed, and build on that next season. Needs to get us established to attract bigger and better players, but may need a bit of time yet.
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