Black Friday,Fiddlers & Rebrandings aside

One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

sam and riddler were liers, tan rightly or wrongly has kept his word on everything hes promised

One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

sam and riddler were liers, tan rightly or wrongly has kept his word on everything hes promised

Tan is not the chairman and has never been our chairman, in fact he has not held a position within the club in any capacity.

One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

sam and riddler were liers, tan rightly or wrongly has kept his word on everything hes promised

Tan is not the chairman and has never been our chairman, in fact he has not held a position within the club in any capacity.

think the orginal poster ment to mean the boss then or whoever had control of decisions of the club which all 3 did have

Chairman or not all three were responsible for the running of the club in some capacity yes or no?

The purpose of the post was to reflect on us mainly not the actions of the men.

Chairman or not all three were responsible for the running of the club in some capacity yes or no?

Tony I was pointing out that not all 3 have been chairman

Don't get so defensive

Chairman or not all three were responsible for the running of the club in some capacity yes or no?

Tony I was pointing out that not all 3 have been chairman

Don't get so defensive

Force of habit on here lately Carl.

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One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

sam and riddler were liers, tan rightly or wrongly has kept his word on everything hes promised

Tan is not the chairman and has never been our chairman, in fact he has not held a position within the club in any capacity.

think the orginal poster ment to mean the boss then or whoever had control of decisions of the club which all 3 did have

Yes I understand that but would like to point out to you that it was stated by our current 'boss' on May 10th 2012 that we would keep out traditional blue colour and at the time the current badge after vociferous opposition from fans.

I think some may now consider that to be a lie

One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

sam and riddler were liers, tan rightly or wrongly has kept his word on everything hes promised

Tan is not the chairman and has never been our chairman, in fact he has not held a position within the club in any capacity.

think the orginal poster ment to mean the boss then or whoever had control of decisions of the club which all 3 did have

Yes I understand that but would like to point out to you that it was stated by our current 'boss' on May 10th 2012 that we would keep out traditional blue colour and at the time the current badge after vociferous opposition from fans.

I think some may now consider that to be a lie

tg and alan whitley said that carl not tan ,as you well know ,rightly or wrongly tan has kept to his word you have to admit that carl ,sam and the ridler lied over and over again

Wez im sure he also said against the big teams who play in red we will be blue? but dont quote me on that

Anyway the main purpose of the post was to highlight when certain issues are not on show, all that visable is Sam took us from the doldrums to the championship,Peter made us a force in that league and took us to Wembely on several occasions whilst Vincent made us Virtually debt free premier league side.

and none of em are wanted by many sections of the support.

i know there are many contributing factors that havent been put forward,but all these are considered great achievements

its rathere crazy would you not agree

Wez im sure he also said against the big teams who play in red we will be blue? but dont quote me on that

Anyway the main purpose of the post was to highlight when certain issues are not on show, all that visable is Sam took us from the doldrums to the championship,Peter made us a force in that league and took us to Wembely on several occasions whilst Vincent made us Virtually debt free premier league side.

and none of em are wanted by many sections of the support.

i know there are many contributing factors that havent been put forward,but all these are considered great achievements

its rathere crazy would you not agree

Agree they have all played there part in the mad club we have lol

Vincent made us Virtually debt free premier league side.

Has he? When was this?

Vincent made us Virtually debt free premier league side.

Has he? When was this?

Unless someone proves different any debt is internal i.e. to Tan (or his companies). Therefore no banks at silly interest rates who can pull the plug at any time.
This is a critical distinction.
For example therefore, CCFC don't have to go to the Banks for interim loans (like the jacks did)to fund cash flow obligations.

Unless someone proves different any debt is internal i.e. to Tan (or his companies). Therefore no banks at silly interest rates who can pull the plug at any time.
This is a critical distinction.
For example therefore, CCFC don't have to go to the Banks for interim loans (like the jacks did)to fund cash flow obligations.

So Cardiff City is NOT a debt free premier league club, virtually or otherwise.

One Chairman took us from the depths to the brink with some major highs.
Second kept us a float for his own gain but Delivered the Stadium and reunited us with Wembely.
Third took us to the top and buried a dark part of our history, at a cost.


3 Chairman, each took the step further than their predecessor.

Neither one are wanted or welcome by large parts of our fan base...




What a fucked up world this is.

sam and riddler were liers, tan rightly or wrongly has kept his word on everything hes promised

Tan is not the chairman and has never been our chairman, in fact he has not held a position within the club in any capacity.

think the orginal poster ment to mean the boss then or whoever had control of decisions of the club which all 3 did have

Yes I understand that but would like to point out to you that it was stated by our current 'boss' on May 10th 2012 that we would keep out traditional blue colour and at the time the current badge after vociferous opposition from fans.

I think some may now consider that to be a lie

Come on Carl you should know this. VT prob meant it at the time and then fans campaigned for him to invest and make the change.

Unless someone proves different any debt is internal i.e. to Tan (or his companies). Therefore no banks at silly interest rates who can pull the plug at any time.
This is a critical distinction.
For example therefore, CCFC don't have to go to the Banks for interim loans (like the jacks did)to fund cash flow obligations.

So Cardiff City is NOT a debt free premier league club, virtually or otherwise.

Barry, I'll be polite on this occasion and ask a two -stage question.
1.Are you able to appreciate the difference between internal or inter-company debt(capable of being converted to equity at any time) which is not subject to the whims,terms and restrictions of external finance and (in the absence of flotation)the alternative of external debt finance?
2. Assuming you do, what do you believe are the implications?

Barry, I'll be polite on this occasion and ask a two -stage question.
1.Are you able to appreciate the difference between internal or inter-company debt(capable of being converted to equity at any time) which is not subject to the whims,terms and restrictions of external finance and (in the absence of flotation)the alternative of external debt finance?
2. Assuming you do, what do you believe are the implications?

Quite simple really; it was stated that Cardiff a City FC are virtually debt free; when in fact, this couldn't be further from the truth.

The club are actually in more debt than ever before, no matter what spin you put on it, the post was factually incorrect.

Barry, I'll be polite on this occasion and ask a two -stage question.
1.Are you able to appreciate the difference between internal or inter-company debt(capable of being converted to equity at any time) which is not subject to the whims,terms and restrictions of external finance and (in the absence of flotation)the alternative of external debt finance?
2. Assuming you do, what do you believe are the implications?

Quite simple really; it was stated that Cardiff a City FC are virtually debt free; when in fact, this couldn't be further from the truth.

The club are actually in more debt than ever before, no matter what spin you put on it, the post was factually incorrect.

No mark.
No answer.
tw*t.

No mark.
No answer.
tw*t.

Don't be so harsh about yourself, just because you got it wrong.

Cardiff City debt free? Laughable.

No mark.
No answer.
tw*t.

Don't be so harsh about yourself, just because you got it wrong.

Cardiff City debt free? Laughable.

Obviously in major clever dick mode this evening but what's new.
For the avoidance of doubt I drew your attention to a state of affairs which you obviously do not understand and on which you are unable to provide any reasonable response to a clear and reasonable question.
I am harsh on myself when I get things wrong but I spelt out the situation as it is. Unfortunately it seems beyond your understanding.You condemn yourself as a no mark tw*t by your puerile, evasive responses.

Obviously in major clever dick mode this evening but what's new.
For the avoidance of doubt I drew your attention to a state of affairs which you obviously do not understand and on which you are unable to provide any reasonable response to a clear and reasonable question.
I am harsh on myself when I get things wrong but I spelt out the situation as it is. Unfortunately it seems beyond your understanding.You condemn yourself as a no mark tw*t by your puerile, evasive responses.

Nope, just in correct mode.

You can try dressing it up all you like, Cardiff City are NOT anywhere near a debt free club & to claim otherwise is factually incorrect.

Unfortunately, this seems beyond your understanding. Although the petty insults are hardly surprising, seeing as you did the same when Roathie used to prove you wrong too.

Obviously in major clever dick mode this evening but what's new.
For the avoidance of doubt I drew your attention to a state of affairs which you obviously do not understand and on which you are unable to provide any reasonable response to a clear and reasonable question.
I am harsh on myself when I get things wrong but I spelt out the situation as it is. Unfortunately it seems beyond your understanding.You condemn yourself as a no mark tw*t by your puerile, evasive responses.

Nope, just in correct mode.

You can try dressing it up all you like, Cardiff City are NOT anywhere near a debt free club & to claim otherwise is factually incorrect.

Unfortunately, this seems beyond your understanding. Although the petty insults are hardly surprising, seeing as you did the same when Roathie used to prove you wrong too.

Ah yes, your mate jerky.
Another tw*t with a personality disorder,on full of shit avoid the question mode like you.
Are you related?
I seem to remember you got the mods to delete one of my posts when I asked a similar question.Mmmmm.

Back to the other factual bit.I did not claim CCFC were debt free. I pointed out that the debt was effectively inter-company which is somewhat different to external bank debt. I asked a polite two-stage question which you did not attempt to answer.I can only conclude that you are simply unable to appreciate the distinction and provide any kind of rational, direct response.

Ah yes, your mate jerky.
Another tw*t with a personality disorder,on full of shit avoid the question mode like you.
Are you related?
I seem to remember you got the mods to delete one of my posts when I asked a similar question.Mmmmm.

Back to the other factual bit.I did not claim CCFC were debt free. I pointed out that the debt was effectively inter-company which is somewhat different to external bank debt. I asked a polite two-stage question which you did not attempt to answer.I can only conclude that you are simply unable to appreciate the distinction and provide any kind of rational, direct response.

No, somebody else claimed it (which was incorrect). You tried to twist it to suit your agenda, but factually, CCFC are in more debt than ever & certainly not "virtually debt free".

Ah yes, your mate jerky.
Another tw*t with a personality disorder,on full of shit avoid the question mode like you.
Are you related?
I seem to remember you got the mods to delete one of my posts when I asked a similar question.Mmmmm.

Back to the other factual bit.I did not claim CCFC were debt free. I pointed out that the debt was effectively inter-company which is somewhat different to external bank debt. I asked a polite two-stage question which you did not attempt to answer.I can only conclude that you are simply unable to appreciate the distinction and provide any kind of rational, direct response.

No, somebody else claimed it (which was incorrect). You tried to twist it to suit your agenda, but factually, CCFC are in more debt than ever & certainly not "virtually debt free".

No twisting. That's what you do.
Pointing out a fact.Obviously uncomfortable for you.
You either don't understand the difference between external and internal finance and the implications thereof(quite likely)or you are wilfully avoiding the point to follow your own particular agenda whatever that is.Either way you are not 'debating' -you are avoiding/dissembling in a dishonest, evasive manner.

No twisting. That's what you do.
Pointing out a fact.Obviously uncomfortable for you.
You either don't understand the difference between external and internal finance and the implications thereof(quite likely)or you are wilfully avoiding the point to follow your own particular agenda whatever that is.Either way you are not 'debating' -you are avoiding/dissembling in a dishonest, evasive manner.

No twisting in this thread, apart from you of course.

Cardiff City are in the biggest debt they've ever been in... Someone in this thread claimed that we were "virtually debt free" which is nonsense. You don't seem to understand this.

All these are facts. Now you can continue to try and make the original statement correct, but it won't work.

THERE IS NO AGENDA - CARDIFF CITY ARE NOT DEBT FREE.

Another one bites the dust

Another thread derailed by Barry Chuckles.

Steven,wouldnt bother going back and forth with Baz. he just repeats himself and will follow you on any thread making the same repetitive quotes.
i wont knock him as its own opinion,but i aint interested in it.
i didnt say we were debt free, i said virtually debt free.Should tan convert all monies owed to shares i'd wonder(for all of 2 seconds) if his opinion would change?

Another thread derailed by Barry Chuckles.

Tried to call a truce with him,suggested we just avoid each other, i have him on ignore,but he just cant help himself