EX-SOLDIER SPEAKS OUT ON THIS SO CALLED WAR ON TERROR

WHEN ARE WE AS A PEOPLE/NATION GOING TO WISE UP AND DO THE SAME THING INSTEAD OF STANDING UP AND APPLAUDING SOLDIERS AND TELLING THEM THEY ARE HEROES AND WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY ARE DOING .... WE ARE ALL BEING BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RIGHT! http://www.upworthy.com/one-veteran-spo ... r-feet?g=2

Spot on

They are doing a great job. The clip is really about those with the power to put them there. It's always been the way.

Suckers to the government & Rich.

Powerful speech. Hard to argue with it.

I often wonder if there is a soldier called Warren Terror?

As someone who served in the army it might be strange to here at i am appalled with how this country seams so eager to go and jump in to all and any wars going!

But the one thing that piss's me off most is if someone questions the validity of us being involved in a war, your automatically ponced upon and accursed of not supporting the troops!
I'm all for our brave service personnel and making sure they have the right kit and support, but it is up to us ( and them ) to make sure that the reasons that they are fighting are the right ones.

Here's a good vid by an Ex SAS trooper sums up pretty well how i feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53w3XoAd ... re=mh_lolz

As someone who served in the army it might be strange to here at i am appalled with how this country seams so eager to go and jump in to all and any wars going!

But the one thing that piss's me off most is if someone questions the validity of us being involved in a war, your automatically ponced upon and accursed of not supporting the troops!
I'm all for our brave service personnel and making sure they have the right kit and support, but it is up to us ( and them ) to make sure that the reasons that they are fighting are the right ones.

Here's a good vid by an Ex SAS trooper sums up pretty well how i feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53w3XoAd ... re=mh_lolz

you are so right,

its a joke and a game used by the government so they dont have to answer difficult questions

from when they refused to discuss why insufficient equipment wasnt available before we went to war

to when they refused to answer why the incorrect equipment was being used

to why the MOD had the disgusting front to say they would not pay compensation to dead troops based on the fact that they did not have any human rights on the battlefield.

WHEN ARE WE AS A PEOPLE/NATION GOING TO WISE UP AND DO THE SAME THING INSTEAD OF STANDING UP AND APPLAUDING SOLDIERS AND TELLING THEM THEY ARE HEROES AND WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY ARE DOING .... WE ARE ALL BEING BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RIGHT! http://www.upworthy.com/one-veteran-spo ... r-feet?g=2

i think you miss a point .most british people ,well the ones i know are not in favour of going to the countrys we are fighting in.what ALL the ones i know including myself do agree on is we support our troops 100pc.they are hero,s to us.they are doing their job in bad circumstances.also one solier making a vid doesnt mean all the army agree with him does it?im anti war ,certainly these wars we,re involved in but totally behind the british army personal.

WHEN ARE WE AS A PEOPLE/NATION GOING TO WISE UP AND DO THE SAME THING INSTEAD OF STANDING UP AND APPLAUDING SOLDIERS AND TELLING THEM THEY ARE HEROES AND WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY ARE DOING .... WE ARE ALL BEING BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RIGHT! http://www.upworthy.com/one-veteran-spo ... r-feet?g=2

i think you miss a point .most british people ,well the ones i know are not in favour of going to the countrys we are fighting in.what ALL the ones i know including myself do agree on is we support our troops 100pc.they are hero,s to us.they are doing their job in bad circumstances.also one solier making a vid doesnt mean all the army agree with him does it?im anti war ,certainly these wars we,re involved in but totally behind the british army personal.

I'm sorry here Jeff but I think your missing the point, if it carry's on like it has been going - ie, us going in to wars that we have no business being in there will have to be a point where people like us will have to stop blindly giving our support to the troops.
Your right it's their job to fight for us and it's a tough job, but they also have a moral obligation make sure that what it is there doing is for the right reson. Soldiers are not robots and for people to say "they are just doing their jobs" just makes it easier for the Politicians to do what they do best.

WHEN ARE WE AS A PEOPLE/NATION GOING TO WISE UP AND DO THE SAME THING INSTEAD OF STANDING UP AND APPLAUDING SOLDIERS AND TELLING THEM THEY ARE HEROES AND WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY ARE DOING .... WE ARE ALL BEING BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RIGHT! http://www.upworthy.com/one-veteran-spo ... r-feet?g=2

i think you miss a point .most british people ,well the ones i know are not in favour of going to the countrys we are fighting in.what ALL the ones i know including myself do agree on is we support our troops 100pc.they are hero,s to us.they are doing their job in bad circumstances.also one solier making a vid doesnt mean all the army agree with him does it?im anti war ,certainly these wars we,re involved in but totally behind the british army personal.

I'm sorry here Jeff but I think your missing the point, if it carry's on like it has been going - ie, us going in to wars that we have no business being in there will have to be a point where people like us will have to stop blindly giving our support to the troops.
Your right it's their job to fight for us and it's a tough job, but they also have a moral obligation make sure that what it is there doing is for the right reson. Soldiers are not robots and for people to say "they are just doing their jobs" just makes it easier for the Politicians to do what they do best.

then turn on the government g not the army lads.while i support the troops i dont think we should be in these countries tbh.you talk about moral obligations .the majority of the soldiers may think it is RIGHT to be there.i certainly think a party with a phased troops out policy and a promise to keep out of wars for fuel would romp home.especially if the money saved on combat was used for energy creating jobs on these shores,i,ll never turn on the army personal.the governments should get the flack not the servicefolk.

I find myself replying to this on my favourite Cardiff City website. When issues surrounding our forces come on this website I rarely reply as it's people's opinion. They are allowed to have an opinion as good people made the ultimate sacrifice to give people the ability to say what they want and that is your right and privilege. However this time I cannot scroll past and look what's happening with or in the club I love I need to reply. This is my opinion as a serving soldier please or offend.
This is one mans opinion. The US servicemen have a different mind set to us in the British Army. As for people clapping and calling us heroes let me tell you that this has happened once in all of my 34 years service so far and is a welcome change and humbling as I AM NOT A HERO. I did my job and fought with and for my mates to make a difference. If this ex serviceman thinks he wasn't fighting terrorists then I am sorry, but we fought the Taliban everyday. The Taliban that shot and killed their own people because they would not grow poppy one of them died in my arms with his father sobbing his guts out, the same Taliban that mortared a school in Marjeh killing 3 children and injuring 7 other kids because they had females going to school and the curriculum was not Taliban endorsed. The same Taliban that would destroy communities with threats and IEDs planted everywhere denying them accommodation and communities. So please don't tell me that my service did not make a difference. It did! Seeing kids go back to school's we reopened, seeing markets and normal life return. You watch a f*cking video and make your judgement. If you have never been there and pulled a set of body armour on and gone and seen it for yourself then you can judge. People like you and your kind make me wretch and when we leave Afghanistan and Iraq (which I have served in many times)fades into the publics mind and is forgotten about AGAIN. We will go back to being "tommy this and tommy that" but when we are needed then it' "good old tommy" once again.

A pissed of British Soldier

I find myself replying to this on my favourite Cardiff City website. When issues surrounding our forces come on this website I rarely reply as it's people's opinion. They are allowed to have an opinion as good people made the ultimate sacrifice to give people the ability to say what they want and that is your right and privilege. However this time I cannot scroll past and look what's happening with or in the club I love I need to reply. This is my opinion as a serving soldier please or offend.
This is one mans opinion. The US servicemen have a different mind set to us in the British Army. As for people clapping and calling us heroes let me tell you that this has happened once in all of my 34 years service so far and is a welcome change and humbling as I AM NOT A HERO. I did my job and fought with and for my mates to make a difference. If this ex serviceman thinks he wasn't fighting terrorists then I am sorry, but we fought the Taliban everyday. The Taliban that shot and killed their own people because they would not grow poppy one of them died in my arms with his father sobbing his guts out, the same Taliban that mortared a school in Marjeh killing 3 children and injuring 7 other kids because they had females going to school and the curriculum was not Taliban endorsed. The same Taliban that would destroy communities with threats and IEDs planted everywhere denying them accommodation and communities. So please don't tell me that my service did not make a difference. It did! Seeing kids go back to school's we reopened, seeing markets and normal life return. You watch a f*cking video and make your judgement. If you have never been there and pulled a set of body armour on and gone and seen it for yourself then you can judge. People like you and your kind make me wretch and when we leave Afghanistan and Iraq (which I have served in many times)fades into the publics mind and is forgotten about AGAIN. We will go back to being "tommy this and tommy that" but when we are needed then it' "good old tommy" once again.

A pissed of British Soldier

Spot on Ceri. The OP took a single opinion coming from a disgruntled soldier and avoided asking any questions of is there any justification for these wars. I think the main thing about Iraq is the original justification remains unproven that there was any threat from WMDs therefore losing trust in any supporting government. Afghanistan however is a different beast and a regime that acts as justification to hard line rhetoric to control its people and offer a haven to Jihadists, It still remains to be seen if our presence in Afghan will make a significant difference as once we withdraw will the Taliban carry on as if we were never there? I think it is more like treading water myself, as soon as ISAF withdraw all forces there will be a slow and steady return to full Taliban control. I guess history will judge the rights and the wrongs but the soldiers that fight and die to protect us will always have my backing

When your see your mates limbs hanging from trees on patrol and you catch the person or persons who did it you may feel different. The government or the majority of British public haven't a clue about war, so how all these people can judge and have an opinion baffles me. Clueless morons especially the news papers and the BBC which is the biggest corrupt organisation in the UK, just a propaganda machine for the upper class.

When your see your mates limbs hanging from trees on patrol and you catch the person or persons who did it you may feel different. The government or the majority of British public haven't a clue about war, so how all these people can judge and have an opinion baffles me. Clueless morons especially the news papers and the BBC which is the biggest corrupt organisation in the UK, just a propaganda machine for the upper class.

you are correct though I think we have diverted off topic, no not many people do understand the horrors of war, not many people understand how wars work, the laws conduct and ethics of war.

in my opinion the issues are on both sides

yes troops should be supported whether we agree with the war or not (unfortunately history shows this country is not very good at it either from the government or its citizens)

the government needs to support troops far more than they do because frankly considering we have the most respected military in the world the respect it gets from our governments past and present is shameful.

again the government needs to be clear on the reasons for going to war and make sure its troops and citizens understand fully why they have taken these decisions

as a country collectively citizen, soldier and politician needs to stand up and recognise when errors and illegal activity by allies or enemies is conducted that we do something about it and condemn it even if it means to the detriment of operational success.

I don't think there are many troops in afghan who actually want to be there.

I find myself replying to this on my favourite Cardiff City website. When issues surrounding our forces come on this website I rarely reply as it's people's opinion. They are allowed to have an opinion as good people made the ultimate sacrifice to give people the ability to say what they want and that is your right and privilege. However this time I cannot scroll past and look what's happening with or in the club I love I need to reply. This is my opinion as a serving soldier please or offend.
This is one mans opinion. The US servicemen have a different mind set to us in the British Army. As for people clapping and calling us heroes let me tell you that this has happened once in all of my 34 years service so far and is a welcome change and humbling as I AM NOT A HERO. I did my job and fought with and for my mates to make a difference. If this ex serviceman thinks he wasn't fighting terrorists then I am sorry, but we fought the Taliban everyday. The Taliban that shot and killed their own people because they would not grow poppy one of them died in my arms with his father sobbing his guts out, the same Taliban that mortared a school in Marjeh killing 3 children and injuring 7 other kids because they had females going to school and the curriculum was not Taliban endorsed. The same Taliban that would destroy communities with threats and IEDs planted everywhere denying them accommodation and communities. So please don't tell me that my service did not make a difference. It did! Seeing kids go back to school's we reopened, seeing markets and normal life return. You watch a f*cking video and make your judgement. If you have never been there and pulled a set of body armour on and gone and seen it for yourself then you can judge. People like you and your kind make me wretch and when we leave Afghanistan and Iraq (which I have served in many times)fades into the publics mind and is forgotten about AGAIN. We will go back to being "tommy this and tommy that" but when we are needed then it' "good old tommy" once again.

A pissed of British Soldier

Well said, anyone who disrespects our armed forces is a tw*t end of

As someone who served in the army it might be strange to here at i am appalled with how this country seams so eager to go and jump in to all and any wars going!

But the one thing that piss's me off most is if someone questions the validity of us being involved in a war, your automatically ponced upon and accursed of not supporting the troops!
I'm all for our brave service personnel and making sure they have the right kit and support, but it is up to us ( and them ) to make sure that the reasons that they are fighting are the right ones.

Here's a good vid by an Ex SAS trooper sums up pretty well how i feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53w3XoAd ... re=mh_lolz

The very first thing they try to do to you is desensitize you, take away how a person should feel about killing , only to show or teach them the reason to kill,and not to reason why you shouldn't. BUT! it has to be done there way , or as they call it, the right way. For the right reason, ok , so what is the right season ? Any reason that the politicians say is right. That guy was totally right, the government sell arms to one country knowing that they can be , and will be turn against the very soldiers that they have just trained.
But the politician cares not about that, cos arm mean money , the biggest money generator machine in the world is war.
The politicians will glorify war with well planed and glorified speeches , speeches that will be written and sold to the public as our days of glory. But of course the politician that want our sons & daughters to die for the queen & country, are always in a bunker , or behind a lectern surrounded by body guards and addressing a friendly crowed,Willing to swallow there shit.

f**k off please tell me when you killed someone. Just be thankfully people like me keep you safe you ungrateful b*stard.anyway just home from a regimental dinner so off to bed

f**k off please tell me when you killed someone. Just be thankfully people like me keep you safe you ungrateful b*stard.anyway just home from a regimental dinner so off to bed

There will always be a need for a military setup.

Without a military organisation is like having a football team with out a defence. You will get slaughtered.

I'm ex military, served when we went to the Falkands and had a big communist threat. My conscience was clear if we had to go to war against that. However if I was in the services today I would question my government. I honestly don't think I would be serving today.

I noticed you gave Afghan an example of what is going on and a justification of being there. Fair enough but what about the other countries that are suffering the same things. Rwanda had smaller organisation compared to the Taliban wiping out villages, remember the old days of Rhodesia and one last example Ide Amen in Uganda. Why did we not go in there? I think we know the answer don't we.

As I said we need a military setup but it is how it is used is what people are starting to question now. No one is against the service person but more frustrated about the pin striped guys who use the military for their own gains.

f**k off please tell me when you killed someone. Just be thankfully people like me keep you safe you ungrateful b*stard.anyway just home from a regimental dinner so off to bed

to be honest Big Ceri i dont feel safe in my bed at nights ... i feel the british government as brought terror to our streets by their illegal invasion in the middle east .... its a war WE WILL NEVER EVER WIN! .... its funny because america boycotted the moscow games because of the soviets invasion of afghan and maggie put a hell of a lot of pressure on the british olympic oganisation to withdraw too ... america even gave arms to the taliban .... and look at us now .... WE ARE A FECKING JOKE!

I am very much against the vile dictators and others who have ruled or are still ruling in countries such as Iraq, Syria, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Libya, Afghanistan etc.

When governments (such as UK and USA) goes to war and / or arms "the oppressed people fighting tyrants" they have a responsibility to as a minimum ensure that they are making life better for the majority of ordinary people in the country in which they interfere. This applies to both the basics of living (houses, roads, electricity, food, health, etc) and to personal freedoms.

I believe that the biggest criticism of governments (such as UK and USA) is that they have focused on the "easy part" of the process - using vastly superior troops and weapons to destroy armies and topple dictators. These governments have been abysmal in addressing the needs of the ordinary people (despite the best endeavours of soldiers on the ground). As a result large parts of the population in these countries are living in worse conditions than before and have become our enemies.

The worst example in the USA is how George Bush turned the overwhelming support of the world after 9/11 into widespread opposition and terrorist recruitment via the Iraq war.

The best example in the USA was post WW2 when the focus was on the reconstruction of Germany and Japan into societies that would be positive and friendly not seeking revenge.

Soldiers do their best (most of the time), politicians let them down.