My view on Vincent Tan

Tan's end game.

1. Rebrand to appeal to an Asian market - check
2. Increase the stadium capacity to chip into monthly losses - in progress
3. Convert debt to equity so that the club in terms of finance is seen as an attractive prospect - to be done
4. Float the club in Asia and hope for investment - to be done
5. Use the investment to take the club to the next level where profit margins can be increased further - to be done

How does each stage help?

1. The rebrand to red and yellow are both strong colours in terms of image in Asia. The Chinese flag is enough evidence
2. Increasing the stadium capacity helps chip into monthly losses. A club making money is healthy and more attractive to any potential buyer
3. Converting the debt to equity again removes debt and opens up plenty of financing options such as receiving loans from the bank. If a club is financially in a position whereby it can service loans plus accrued interest then the bank is more willing to lend. This money can be reinvested into the team meaning Tan doesn't have to fund transfers out of pocket.
4. Float the club and hope for a new investor to come on board for an instant cash injection to boost the club further up the table. Finishing higher in the table brings more money in plus makes you a more attractive prospect not only to the likes of Sky but also globally to fans who Tan wants to buy the shirts on the back of success
5. Explained in 3 and 4.

I believe Tan has brought the rebrand in early on purpose. He knows fans here won't take too kindly to it so he's brought it in early when we are struggling financially but also when we were desperate to go up as well after years of failure. Not only that but had we got big (top 6-8 team) and then he brings the changes in there would be even more uproar.

By the time we reach those heights, if we do, it could be 10 years down the line and I believe Tan is hoping by the time we are big enough to appeal to the Asian market (which wants success, not a red kit may I add) we'll be too tired to fight and have given up and will have just accepted the changes. At that point there's no negativity on Tan or the club and the new Asian fans that join on the premise of success won't really give a damn about the colours and so on.

Tan created the fire early and had hoped that it would fizzle out by the time marketing the club massively had come along. I believe he was prepared for small time problems and uproar hence his 25% quote and that he knew, further down the road when things in terms of investment and marketing got serious the majority would either just accept things or put up with it...i.e. if you continue shouting and shouting you eventually lose your voice. The problem for Tan is that he keeps pouring petrol on the fire to keep it burning over with things like Scarfgate and the Moody incidents.

Tan is currently his own worst enemy and bringing most damage upon himself. Tan is interfering because he needs the club to stay up to get any sort of return on his investment. The problem is that, unlike his other businesses where he can chop and change for better who'll get results by working long into the night at his demand because they need the salary he's paying, football is a funny game where results aren't guaranteed. Tan needs to learn this. He's nervous as he wants his end game, his profit and a return on what he has put in. Fair enough I suppose from a business perspective but he needs to learn football is not just any business and brings along its own complications.

Tan's lack of understanding of football as a business model is whats causing the most problems. All of his ways and learnings in other types of businesses are not applicable in the footballing business world. Football is not 'provide a service, sell it for more than it costs you in overheads or production and make a profit, repeat and repeat'. Football has plenty more variables out of Tan's control and its got him on edge. Situations he's used to dealing with himself in his other businesses he unfortunately has to rely on Malky to cope with in the footballing world. Tan is no football expert and he's no manager. In another business Tan may know a lot about office management, team leadership so its easy for him to fire and hire a replacement who suits his needs. He has no clue about football and when you venture into the unknown its not so easy.

Tan needs to count on Malky to help him eventually get a return on his current investment into the club by keeping us up. I believe this has Tan nervous as hell hence him texting Malky trying to control things from the top because he wants to be the one with the final say on getting a return but unfortunately for him, a lot of it is out of his control and I believe Tan being the control freak he comes across as, is well out of his depth in the footballing world.

Its in his best interests in my opinion to sell up as soon as he can and continue in business ventures where he has 100% control, can throw around his dominance at his peril with no problem and can do as he pleases and still expect a return. If he thinks he can do that in football then he is seriously mistaken.

I can sum him up with fewer words. The man is nothing but a tw*t

Interesting stuff Syntax.

I think Tan's biggest error is he doesn't realise the passions and complexities of football which are far greater than those of normal 'customers'.

Thousands of us are prepared to fight for our colours, and the numbers are growing. How can he deal with that?

He can't. For his own interests, he needs to engage with fans with a view to a return to blue.

Interesting stuff Syntax.

I think Tan's biggest error is he doesn't realise the passions and complexities of football which are far greater than those of normal 'customers'.

Thousands of us are prepared to fight for our colours, and the numbers are growing. How can he deal with that?

He can't. For his own interests, he needs to engage with fans with a view to a return to blue.

I agree but Tan Out isn't the route fans should be going down

Interesting stuff Syntax.

I think Tan's biggest error is he doesn't realise the passions and complexities of football which are far greater than those of normal 'customers'.

Thousands of us are prepared to fight for our colours, and the numbers are growing. How can he deal with that?

He can't. For his own interests, he needs to engage with fans with a view to a return to blue.

I agree but Tan Out isn't the route fans should be going down

Agreed but the return to blue is definately growing, and will be a problem for him....

I think a lot of people are beginning to believe they're own bullshit.

Interesting stuff Syntax.

I think Tan's biggest error is he doesn't realise the passions and complexities of football which are far greater than those of normal 'customers'.

Thousands of us are prepared to fight for our colours, and the numbers are growing. How can he deal with that?

He can't. For his own interests, he needs to engage with fans with a view to a return to blue.

I agree but Tan Out isn't the route fans should be going down

Agreed but the return to blue is definately growing, and will be a problem for him....

Personally, I don't believe it is (growing) but the frustrated minority are certainly getting louder; or should that read 'braver' now the club are relatively safe from closure? Signing 'petitions' is not a true indicator of attending supporters disdain

An interesting article from James, which may well be correct in its analogies, but the end piece lets it down; Tan is no fool (and not 'mad' as some would have you believe) and he knows exactly what he wants and, sometimes to fans detriment, he knows how to get it on large

I agree with 'Jinks' that "Tan Out" is definitely not the way people need to be going. A look back at our history will give the doubters 'food for thought' on the reasons why

As the old saying goes "You've never had it so good!"

Remember, it's always easy to make mischief from a position of comfort and few stood up against Tan when the time was right, i.e. at the start! Let's all be honest, we simply couldn't afford to and were only too happy to take his money!

Anyway, leaving for the Villa now to support Malky and the team. I've got my priorities right, eh?

I can sum him up with fewer words. The man is nothing but a tw*t

if you hate him that much i hope you practice what you preach and boycott games.Or are you full of shit.

I can sum him up with fewer words. The man is nothing but a tw*t

if you hate him that much i hope you practice what you preach and boycott games.Or are you full of shit.

Why should he boycott games?

I would say a majority of fans hated Ridsdale but continued to go to the games.

Couldnt be arsed to read anymore of Barneys self indulgent guff but id just like to point out that the thread should be retitled

"James Barnett: My view on Vincent Tan No.3,1765,890,382"

Another view on Tan

But he seems t be a Jack lover

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/sport- ... ed-6287752

i like it when tan goes quiet.. we can all speak for him then , and pretend we all know what he is thinking..Just give him a week or two i am sure he will say something loco or do something bonkers like always.. It might be he just loves the attention.. who really knows COULD BE THE DEVIL IN HIM

I believe strongly that Tan will sell the club this summer, this time next year we will have new owners, and there is some one close to the club now, that is going to be VERY involved

I believe the red snowball is rolling down the hill and is turning more blue the larger it gets. Simple but fact.

I believe strongly that Tan will sell the club this summer, this time next year we will have new owners, and there is some one close to the club now, that is going to be VERY involved

c'mon then tell us what you know or are you making it up?

Interesting stuff Syntax.

I think Tan's biggest error is he doesn't realise the passions and complexities of football which are far greater than those of normal 'customers'.

Thousands of us are prepared to fight for our colours, and the numbers are growing. How can he deal with that?

He can't. For his own interests, he needs to engage with fans with a view to a return to blue.

I agree but Tan Out isn't the route fans should be going down

Agreed but the return to blue is definately growing, and will be a problem for him....

Personally, I don't believe it is (growing) but the frustrated minority are certainly getting louder; or should that read 'braver' now the club are relatively safe from closure? Signing 'petitions' is not a true indicator of attending supporters disdain

An interesting article from James, which may well be correct in its analogies, but the end piece lets it down; Tan is no fool (and not 'mad' as some would have you believe) and he knows exactly what he wants and, sometimes to fans detriment, he knows how to get it on large

I agree with 'Jinks' that "Tan Out" is definitely not the way people need to be going. A look back at our history will give the doubters 'food for thought' on the reasons why

As the old saying goes "You've never had it so good!"

Remember, it's always easy to make mischief from a position of comfort and few stood up against Tan when the time was right, i.e. at the start! Let's all be honest, we simply couldn't afford to and were only too happy to take his money!

Anyway, leaving for the Villa now to support Malky and the team. I've got my priorities right, eh?

Interesting views Sven. I think that it is pretty undenyable that the colour blue is more evident in the stadium now than at anytime in the past year which to me is a strong indicator of the fans loyalties. I will agree that the campaign for blue is getting louder but the reason it is getting louder is that the ranks of fans are now prepared to come off the fence has increased. This shift as you point out is due in part to fans now believing that we are now less vunerable financially especially as Tan has consolodated his position.
There is another element however that have just had enough of the way Tan tries to run the club and are beginning to dislike the man or even despise him. Most fans that I speak to whether they be pro red or pro blue agree that they hate the way that the issue has slplit us. It is true to say that there now exists an unprecedented dissatisfaction with Tan which is only going to grow stronger if this present situation persists.
There is an element of fans who want Tan out but my impression is that the majority would be prepared to forgive him if he were to change us back to blue.
Tan still has an opportunity to change us back and redeem himself and I really hope he does just that but if he does not then the calls for his removal will keep growing louder until it reaches a tipping point and he has little choice but to sell us.

The wearing of Blue to our games, was always the better option to our situation regarding the re brand, IMHO.

After all, we all have choices to make;

1. Don't attend matches, or have anything to do with the re branded product.

2. Attend games, but wear Blue.

3. Embrace the re brand, & hope for the best.

What ever ones feelings or thoughts are, then that's purely up to them.
No one can judge on this matter.

My view on Vincent Tan............Heres mine barnett....HES A c**t

My view on Vincent Tan............Heres mine barnett....HES A c**t

Nice Bebo account Ian.

My view on Vincent Tan............Heres mine barnett....HES A c**t

Nice Bebo account Ian.

Seriously , you talking about something from the stone age when internet was on dial up

My view on Vincent Tan............Heres mine barnett....HES A c**t

Nice Bebo account Ian.

Seriously , you talking about something from the stone age when internet was on dial up

Bebo is no longer the same mate. Im just pulling your leg.

Its being redone now by the original owner and is going to be completely different.

Interesting stuff Syntax.

I think Tan's biggest error is he doesn't realise the passions and complexities of football which are far greater than those of normal 'customers'.

Thousands of us are prepared to fight for our colours, and the numbers are growing. How can he deal with that?

He can't. For his own interests, he needs to engage with fans with a view to a return to blue.

I agree but Tan Out isn't the route fans should be going down

Agreed but the return to blue is definately growing, and will be a problem for him....

Personally, I don't believe it is (growing) but the frustrated minority are certainly getting louder; or should that read 'braver' now the club are relatively safe from closure? Signing 'petitions' is not a true indicator of attending supporters disdain

An interesting article from James, which may well be correct in its analogies, but the end piece lets it down; Tan is no fool (and not 'mad' as some would have you believe) and he knows exactly what he wants and, sometimes to fans detriment, he knows how to get it on large

I agree with 'Jinks' that "Tan Out" is definitely not the way people need to be going. A look back at our history will give the doubters 'food for thought' on the reasons why

As the old saying goes "You've never had it so good!"

Remember, it's always easy to make mischief from a position of comfort and few stood up against Tan when the time was right, i.e. at the start! Let's all be honest, we simply couldn't afford to and were only too happy to take his money!

Anyway, leaving for the Villa now to support Malky and the team. I've got my priorities right, eh?

Interesting views Sven. I think that it is pretty undenyable that the colour blue is more evident in the stadium now than at anytime in the past year which to me is a strong indicator of the fans loyalties. I will agree that the campaign for blue is getting louder but the reason it is getting louder is that the ranks of fans are now prepared to come off the fence has increased. This shift as you point out is due in part to fans now believing that we are now less vunerable financially especially as Tan has consolodated his position.
There is another element however that have just had enough of the way Tan tries to run the club and are beginning to dislike the man or even despise him. Most fans that I speak to whether they be pro red or pro blue agree that they hate the way that the issue has slplit us. It is true to say that there now exists an unprecedented dissatisfaction with Tan which is only going to grow stronger if this present situation persists.
There is an element of fans who want Tan out but my impression is that the majority would be prepared to forgive him if he were to change us back to blue.
Tan still has an opportunity to change us back and redeem himself and I really hope he does just that but if he does not then the calls for his removal will keep growing louder until it reaches a tipping point and he has little choice but to sell us.

I can't disagree totally with your response, fella; particularly the "it has split us" comments

I just feel that we have more than missed the boat and that it is time to support Malky and the players above all else and that (IMHO) is simply not happening with some people (but not as many as we might be led to believe)

I also feel that Tan hasn't done such a bad job (blue apart) in all reality and that some (not all) people are just plain ungrateful for the majority of good he has done to turn our club around on both the playing and infrastructural fronts

Only time will tell if what he has done is right, or if his 'motives' are as in the "best interests" of Cardiff City FC as they are his own , but the signs (again blue apart) are pretty encouraging given (a) his financial input, and (b) his restructuring of the club and its facilities

It is, after all, only my personal opinion but I think to "force Tan out" could be the costliest mistake this club will ever make, as we cannot possibly "guarantee" who/what would come next and I look around with trepidation at the number of ex-Premier League clubs who were completely 'asset stripped' by their new so-called investors. To date, Tan hasn't even remotely looked like doing that

I am not sure whether Tan out is a good thing either. What I am sure of is Tan back to blue would be good.

I notice this has been put on BUs Facebook page.

Ironic considering Barneys been one of their biggest critics.

I am not sure whether Tan out is a good thing either. What I am sure of is Tan back to blue would be good.

Totally agree with that; although it simply won't happen on tan's Watch