Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to leave
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:25 am
Sunday 3rd November 2913.
Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to leave as relationship with owner Vincent Tan worsens
Loss in Sunday's South Wales derby could see the unrest at the Bluebirds come to a head with boss Mackay departing the club
Alex Livesey
Malky Mackay looks increasingly likely to leave Cardiff City as his relationship with owner Vincent Tan grows ever more fraught.
The manager has almost no contact with Tan and club sources told Sunday Mirror Sport that matters are expected to come to a head very soon - especially if Cardiff lose to bitter rivals Swansea this afternoon.
Despite Mackay’s overwhelming popularity with supporters and a statement giving him his backing only last month, Tan could even dismiss the Scot if Cardiff lose heavily today.
Mackay’s lucrative contract - which does not expire until summer 2016 - is at the centre of an impasse between manager and owner.
Mackay will be due a hefty payout if he is dismissed almost three years before his deal ends. When Tan replaced Mackay’s friend and head of recruitment Iain Moody with 23-year-old Alisher Apsalyamov, there were suggestions Mackay might resign.
But we understand his contract has a lengthy notice period, meaning Mackay could end up OWING Cardiff money if he walks out without good reason.
The compensation structure in his contract has been an issue - Everton showed an interest in Mackay before appointing Roberto Martinez but were led to believe the buyout figure was not far off £3million.
Tan is examining his massive investment in the club. Last week, he announced he would be writing off nearly £6million in interest owed to him on loans he has made.
In the last set of accounts - for the year ending May 2012 - Tan had already made over £37million worth of loans to the club.
That figure has spiralled since with overall debts believed to be over the £100million mark.
While in the summer Tan suggested he wanted to acquire a 90 percent holding and make the business debt-free, we understand he would welcome alternative investment.
Indeed, one of the reasons he might have employed Apsalyamov - who has had to stand down over visa problems - was to try and persuade the 23-year-old’s billionaire father to come on board.
Cardiff City Owner Vincent Tan Silence: Tan and Mackay rarely speak to each other
While he has ploughed in a lot of money in the successful bid to get Cardiff to the Premier League, there are now few senior figures around the club who reckon Tan is in it for the long haul.
In the meantime, though, he has to fund a heavy wage bill with Mackay’s salary reported to be close to the £2millon mark.
One Cardiff insider told us: “Malky is very well remunerated for the great job he has been doing. But the owner believes that while Malky gets the credit, he does not get enough for all the investment he has made. That’s at the heart of the matter. After all, while the club owes him a lot of money, Vincent knows he has little chance of getting a lot of it back.”
While Tan is reluctant to pay him off, he knows Mackay will not walk away - unless an alternative job is offered by a club willing to meet the compensation clause.
Mackay is determined to keep his players focused - today’s game with Swansea has been described as one of the biggest in the club’s history - despite the upheaval being created by Tan.
But there is an escalating feeling that a cold war-style situation cannot go on - only on Friday, Mackay refused to answer any questions about Tan and was unaware of whether or not the Malaysian tycoon would be at the stadium this afternoon..
And if Cardiff’s form does not pick up - or slides away, starting with defeat today - there is every chance Tan will try and negotiate with Mackay in an attempt to ease him out.
If that does not work, a straight dismissal is a possibility.
Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to leave as relationship with owner Vincent Tan worsens
Loss in Sunday's South Wales derby could see the unrest at the Bluebirds come to a head with boss Mackay departing the club
Alex Livesey
Malky Mackay looks increasingly likely to leave Cardiff City as his relationship with owner Vincent Tan grows ever more fraught.
The manager has almost no contact with Tan and club sources told Sunday Mirror Sport that matters are expected to come to a head very soon - especially if Cardiff lose to bitter rivals Swansea this afternoon.
Despite Mackay’s overwhelming popularity with supporters and a statement giving him his backing only last month, Tan could even dismiss the Scot if Cardiff lose heavily today.
Mackay’s lucrative contract - which does not expire until summer 2016 - is at the centre of an impasse between manager and owner.
Mackay will be due a hefty payout if he is dismissed almost three years before his deal ends. When Tan replaced Mackay’s friend and head of recruitment Iain Moody with 23-year-old Alisher Apsalyamov, there were suggestions Mackay might resign.
But we understand his contract has a lengthy notice period, meaning Mackay could end up OWING Cardiff money if he walks out without good reason.
The compensation structure in his contract has been an issue - Everton showed an interest in Mackay before appointing Roberto Martinez but were led to believe the buyout figure was not far off £3million.
Tan is examining his massive investment in the club. Last week, he announced he would be writing off nearly £6million in interest owed to him on loans he has made.
In the last set of accounts - for the year ending May 2012 - Tan had already made over £37million worth of loans to the club.
That figure has spiralled since with overall debts believed to be over the £100million mark.
While in the summer Tan suggested he wanted to acquire a 90 percent holding and make the business debt-free, we understand he would welcome alternative investment.
Indeed, one of the reasons he might have employed Apsalyamov - who has had to stand down over visa problems - was to try and persuade the 23-year-old’s billionaire father to come on board.
Cardiff City Owner Vincent Tan Silence: Tan and Mackay rarely speak to each other
While he has ploughed in a lot of money in the successful bid to get Cardiff to the Premier League, there are now few senior figures around the club who reckon Tan is in it for the long haul.
In the meantime, though, he has to fund a heavy wage bill with Mackay’s salary reported to be close to the £2millon mark.
One Cardiff insider told us: “Malky is very well remunerated for the great job he has been doing. But the owner believes that while Malky gets the credit, he does not get enough for all the investment he has made. That’s at the heart of the matter. After all, while the club owes him a lot of money, Vincent knows he has little chance of getting a lot of it back.”
While Tan is reluctant to pay him off, he knows Mackay will not walk away - unless an alternative job is offered by a club willing to meet the compensation clause.
Mackay is determined to keep his players focused - today’s game with Swansea has been described as one of the biggest in the club’s history - despite the upheaval being created by Tan.
But there is an escalating feeling that a cold war-style situation cannot go on - only on Friday, Mackay refused to answer any questions about Tan and was unaware of whether or not the Malaysian tycoon would be at the stadium this afternoon..
And if Cardiff’s form does not pick up - or slides away, starting with defeat today - there is every chance Tan will try and negotiate with Mackay in an attempt to ease him out.
If that does not work, a straight dismissal is a possibility.
£100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:05 am
Nov 3rd 2013.
Daily Mail.
Vincent Tan will fly 14 hours in his private plane from his mansion in Kuala Lumpur to take his seat on Sunday in Cardiff at the biggest club football match ever staged in Wales — a hostile derby of fear and loathing against fierce rivals Swansea.
It is perhaps staggering to those outside Cardiff that Tan, who has invested around £100million in the club, could be the most vilified man in the capital of the Principality today. But in the eyes of thousands of Cardiff fans, he has been reduced from shining knight to court jester.
Nathan Blake, former Cardiff and Wales striker, admits to being bemused by the Malaysian billionaire’s treatment.
Blake said last week: ‘For what he’s done for the club, how can Vincent Tan not be a super-hero in the city? Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs. Yet, the fact that Mr Tan isn’t seen as a hero says it all, really.’
At full-time on Sunday, when Tan has to make an immediate return to Malaysia for a business meeting tomorrow morning, a section of Cardiff supporters plan to protest inside the ground against the presence of the 61-year-old billionaire at the helm of the club. But Tan ought not be overly surprised.
His gift to Cardiff City, beyond his mammoth injection of cash, has been a flawless exercise in mismanagement beyond parody.
He has behaved insensitively towards the club’s proud heritage by changing their strip from blue to red. He has incorporated a dragon in a crest that had always been the exclusive habitat of a bluebird.
And last month he sacked the club’s head of recruitment, Iain Moody, so depriving manager Malky Mackay — regarded as one of the brightest young British coaches — the counsel of the man he most valued at the club.
Bizarrely, Tan replaced Moody with a 23-year-old from Kazakhstan called Alisher Apsalyamov, who had no previous employment in football but is a friend of one of his sons. Late last week, the Apsalyamov Affair took another farcical twist when the Home Office ordered him to step down until his application for a work permit had been processed.
Cardiff fans fear Mackay could be further unsettled if, as alleged, Tan has employed his unlimited power beyond the boardroom. According to reports last week, at least one player, Slovenian striker Etien Velikonja, who has not made an appearance in the match-day squad this season, was brought to the club for £1.7m without the approval of Mackay.
In common with most men of extreme wealth, Tan is not accustomed to being challenged. In business, his word is law. Yet, he will be reminded today that not even the promise of injecting millions more into Cardiff, or his recent privately made donations to an assortment of grateful local charities across the city — totalling £1m — can buy unequivocal popularity. His name will not be sung with affection.
A weekend Facebook message from Bluebirds Unite read: ‘We need to make ourselves known to Vincent Tan and doing something like this inside the ground is probably the best way to do it. If you are a die-hard Bluebird and refuse to accept the red or refuse to accept Tan (or both) then join in with this action.’
Tan rules mostly by remote control from afar as a newcomer to football, not just the club. For Blake, once a prolific Cardiff striker in the early Nineties, who runs a sports agency with Olympic medallist Darren Campbell and barrister Huw Bowden, the changes Tan has demanded were blunders easily avoided.
‘I don’t dislike Vincent Tan,’ he insisted. ‘You have to tip your hat to him for what he has done for Cardiff. Yet I thought from the beginning that he needed to get someone alongside him who could tell him how the club and its history matter to the people of the city.
‘After a lifetime in football, you look at the worst case scenario rather than celebrate and say “Wow, we have £100m coming in”. Portsmouth thought that, and we know what happened to them.
‘Football is more than a business, it is connecting with people’s emotions. My father watched Cardiff, as did his father. If Mister Tan changed the shirts back to blue, and declared he was not going to involve himself in the manager’s affairs, he could be a super-hero tomorrow.’
Powerful men such as Tan are uncomfortable with losing face, of course. Yet he is perfectly capable of making maverick statements that invite ridicule, such as when he suggested: ‘If you ask 10 girls to go out with you, no matter how ugly you are, I bet that one will say “Yes”.
‘Recently, I was talking to my football coach and asked him to tell players to make more attempts at goal. I believe the increase in goal attempts is in line with the law of averages. So, if we had 20 goal attempts, at least two will go in!’
However, a wind of change is blowing through the club. Mehmet Dalman, a 55-year-old British investment banker with Turkish-Cypriot roots and friends inside football, as well as high finance, has emerged as the new Cardiff chairman with a powerful brief.
On Monday, Dalman, who played a significant role in the takeover of Manchester United by the Glazers, had lunch with Mackay. ‘I have a lot of respect for Malky,’ said Dalman, a lifelong football fan of the game worldwide, who once had a trial for Crystal Palace.
He calmed the turbulence surrounding the Apsalyamov Affair at a board meeting on October 14. As the multilingual chairman of private equity investors WMG Advisors LLP, Dalman also has the confidence of Tan. The two speak frequently — and Dalman is determined that Cardiff fans should appreciate Tan as someone with a genuine desire to bring good times to the club.
‘I’d love our fans to find a way to invite Vincent Tan into our world of football rather than push him out,’ said Dalman. ‘I don’t want to lose his love for the game, and Cardiff in particular.’
Dalman says he will check with Mackay by text message before paying a visit to the Cardiff dressing room before the game today. ‘I don’t want to get in the way, but I like to see him and the players,’ he said. ‘So does Vincent — I’m not sure he sends a text, though!
‘This is a very expensive business. Vincent has pumped in a substantial amount of money and he is prepared to pump in even more, because he cares. What we have to do is ensure the financial structure is right. Vincent is a winner, he’s also a good man.’
Dalman is implementing a business model where he will chair a new, three-man transaction committee. ‘We want no room for potential misunderstandings or accidents,’ he said. ‘We want full professional transparency for the club, and for Vincent.’
And as Cardiff director Steve Borley argued last week, Tan is at least deserving of respect as ‘a brave man to take on a basket case of a club’.
For Dalman, Tan’s presence today, at an inconvenient time in his business life, is proof of his passion. ‘You tell me who else is going to put in that sort of effort if they didn’t have an emotional attachment to Cardiff City?’ asked Dalman, an urbane, sophisticated ally who can bring a voice of reason to the crazy world of Vincent Tan.
Daily Mail.
Vincent Tan will fly 14 hours in his private plane from his mansion in Kuala Lumpur to take his seat on Sunday in Cardiff at the biggest club football match ever staged in Wales — a hostile derby of fear and loathing against fierce rivals Swansea.
It is perhaps staggering to those outside Cardiff that Tan, who has invested around £100million in the club, could be the most vilified man in the capital of the Principality today. But in the eyes of thousands of Cardiff fans, he has been reduced from shining knight to court jester.
Nathan Blake, former Cardiff and Wales striker, admits to being bemused by the Malaysian billionaire’s treatment.
Blake said last week: ‘For what he’s done for the club, how can Vincent Tan not be a super-hero in the city? Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs. Yet, the fact that Mr Tan isn’t seen as a hero says it all, really.’
At full-time on Sunday, when Tan has to make an immediate return to Malaysia for a business meeting tomorrow morning, a section of Cardiff supporters plan to protest inside the ground against the presence of the 61-year-old billionaire at the helm of the club. But Tan ought not be overly surprised.
His gift to Cardiff City, beyond his mammoth injection of cash, has been a flawless exercise in mismanagement beyond parody.
He has behaved insensitively towards the club’s proud heritage by changing their strip from blue to red. He has incorporated a dragon in a crest that had always been the exclusive habitat of a bluebird.
And last month he sacked the club’s head of recruitment, Iain Moody, so depriving manager Malky Mackay — regarded as one of the brightest young British coaches — the counsel of the man he most valued at the club.
Bizarrely, Tan replaced Moody with a 23-year-old from Kazakhstan called Alisher Apsalyamov, who had no previous employment in football but is a friend of one of his sons. Late last week, the Apsalyamov Affair took another farcical twist when the Home Office ordered him to step down until his application for a work permit had been processed.
Cardiff fans fear Mackay could be further unsettled if, as alleged, Tan has employed his unlimited power beyond the boardroom. According to reports last week, at least one player, Slovenian striker Etien Velikonja, who has not made an appearance in the match-day squad this season, was brought to the club for £1.7m without the approval of Mackay.
In common with most men of extreme wealth, Tan is not accustomed to being challenged. In business, his word is law. Yet, he will be reminded today that not even the promise of injecting millions more into Cardiff, or his recent privately made donations to an assortment of grateful local charities across the city — totalling £1m — can buy unequivocal popularity. His name will not be sung with affection.
A weekend Facebook message from Bluebirds Unite read: ‘We need to make ourselves known to Vincent Tan and doing something like this inside the ground is probably the best way to do it. If you are a die-hard Bluebird and refuse to accept the red or refuse to accept Tan (or both) then join in with this action.’
Tan rules mostly by remote control from afar as a newcomer to football, not just the club. For Blake, once a prolific Cardiff striker in the early Nineties, who runs a sports agency with Olympic medallist Darren Campbell and barrister Huw Bowden, the changes Tan has demanded were blunders easily avoided.
‘I don’t dislike Vincent Tan,’ he insisted. ‘You have to tip your hat to him for what he has done for Cardiff. Yet I thought from the beginning that he needed to get someone alongside him who could tell him how the club and its history matter to the people of the city.
‘After a lifetime in football, you look at the worst case scenario rather than celebrate and say “Wow, we have £100m coming in”. Portsmouth thought that, and we know what happened to them.
‘Football is more than a business, it is connecting with people’s emotions. My father watched Cardiff, as did his father. If Mister Tan changed the shirts back to blue, and declared he was not going to involve himself in the manager’s affairs, he could be a super-hero tomorrow.’
Powerful men such as Tan are uncomfortable with losing face, of course. Yet he is perfectly capable of making maverick statements that invite ridicule, such as when he suggested: ‘If you ask 10 girls to go out with you, no matter how ugly you are, I bet that one will say “Yes”.
‘Recently, I was talking to my football coach and asked him to tell players to make more attempts at goal. I believe the increase in goal attempts is in line with the law of averages. So, if we had 20 goal attempts, at least two will go in!’
However, a wind of change is blowing through the club. Mehmet Dalman, a 55-year-old British investment banker with Turkish-Cypriot roots and friends inside football, as well as high finance, has emerged as the new Cardiff chairman with a powerful brief.
On Monday, Dalman, who played a significant role in the takeover of Manchester United by the Glazers, had lunch with Mackay. ‘I have a lot of respect for Malky,’ said Dalman, a lifelong football fan of the game worldwide, who once had a trial for Crystal Palace.
He calmed the turbulence surrounding the Apsalyamov Affair at a board meeting on October 14. As the multilingual chairman of private equity investors WMG Advisors LLP, Dalman also has the confidence of Tan. The two speak frequently — and Dalman is determined that Cardiff fans should appreciate Tan as someone with a genuine desire to bring good times to the club.
‘I’d love our fans to find a way to invite Vincent Tan into our world of football rather than push him out,’ said Dalman. ‘I don’t want to lose his love for the game, and Cardiff in particular.’
Dalman says he will check with Mackay by text message before paying a visit to the Cardiff dressing room before the game today. ‘I don’t want to get in the way, but I like to see him and the players,’ he said. ‘So does Vincent — I’m not sure he sends a text, though!
‘This is a very expensive business. Vincent has pumped in a substantial amount of money and he is prepared to pump in even more, because he cares. What we have to do is ensure the financial structure is right. Vincent is a winner, he’s also a good man.’
Dalman is implementing a business model where he will chair a new, three-man transaction committee. ‘We want no room for potential misunderstandings or accidents,’ he said. ‘We want full professional transparency for the club, and for Vincent.’
And as Cardiff director Steve Borley argued last week, Tan is at least deserving of respect as ‘a brave man to take on a basket case of a club’.
For Dalman, Tan’s presence today, at an inconvenient time in his business life, is proof of his passion. ‘You tell me who else is going to put in that sort of effort if they didn’t have an emotional attachment to Cardiff City?’ asked Dalman, an urbane, sophisticated ally who can bring a voice of reason to the crazy world of Vincent Tan.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:29 am
I see more positives than negatives in this article (once the usual diatribe regarding 'old news' is traversed) 
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
)
I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
)I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:39 am
Tan confuses gratitude and popularity, we are grateful for his investment but not his meddling and rebrand, for that and not listening to any real fans he will never be popular.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:40 am
Borleys right tan deserves respect for the investment he's put into City.If it weren't for the colour change fans would be singing oh lord Vincent Tan.
People are just getting dramatic over anything tan does or say's,time to give him a break ,he's done a lot of good for city.
People are just getting dramatic over anything tan does or say's,time to give him a break ,he's done a lot of good for city.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:41 am
Sven Ghali wrote:I see more positives than negatives in this article (once the usual diatribe regarding 'old news' is traversed)
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
How do you know no one else was not giving us a second glance? A lot of people thought that when we were in the dungeon yet someone came in.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:47 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:I see more positives than negatives in this article (once the usual diatribe regarding 'old news' is traversed)
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
How do you know no one else was not giving us a second glance? A lot of people thought that when we were in the dungeon yet someone came in.
To be honest I don't, but info like that usually has a habit of getting out somewhere and the last 'known' viewer was the idiot from Jersey (or Gurernsey)
However, my point is that Tan WAS the one that came in when we were close to going to the wall and (along with Malky) shares responsibility for getting us to the Premier League where games like today's make me glad that he did
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:55 am
Simple if Tan had stopped to ask fans of his plans to rebrand and listened to us then he could and should be a hero in Cardiff instead he totally dissrespected the club the city and us fans by binning are proud identinty which each football fan of any club in world football is proud of .
ITS the very symbol of all the pride passion devotion and love a fan has for there club .You save the club give 100 million you should be a supper hero but no Tan did it all wrong because he doesnt have a clue what football means .
Without the basis of are clubs identity for those who really care about the club not the prem not the money it all comes back to the club and Tan got rid of it .Dont matter if he took us to the champ league final sorry its not the same club how can you as a fan just switch it on and off it just doesnt work like that .
Tan will lose in the end and he will have to walk away unless he changes back to what most fans really want and thats are identity back but I hope I am wrong because I do want to embrace Tan but it will never ever happen as long as he continues with his radical stupid plans for my club.
Over to you Tan which way do you want to go with it.
ITS the very symbol of all the pride passion devotion and love a fan has for there club .You save the club give 100 million you should be a supper hero but no Tan did it all wrong because he doesnt have a clue what football means .
Without the basis of are clubs identity for those who really care about the club not the prem not the money it all comes back to the club and Tan got rid of it .Dont matter if he took us to the champ league final sorry its not the same club how can you as a fan just switch it on and off it just doesnt work like that .
Tan will lose in the end and he will have to walk away unless he changes back to what most fans really want and thats are identity back but I hope I am wrong because I do want to embrace Tan but it will never ever happen as long as he continues with his radical stupid plans for my club.
Over to you Tan which way do you want to go with it.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:30 pm
goats wrote:Tan confuses gratitude and popularity, we are grateful for his investment but not his meddling and rebrand, for that and not listening to any real fans he will never be popular.
Spot on, The guy could go down as the greatest chairman we ever had. Instead he as done the complete opposite.
Re: Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to le
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:33 pm
Get Tan out! He's turning CCFC into a national joke !
Re: Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to le
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:36 pm
Pikey wrote:Get Tan out! He's turning CCFC into a national joke !
And if he turns the debt to equity?
Re: Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to le
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:45 pm
He could have done that by now but has chosen not to.
Re: Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to le
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:59 pm
hey vincent, why dont you change the kit back to blue and i guarantee all the fans will love you (almost), really, says vince why hasnt anyone told me this before? we all a bunch of yes men who are too scared to tell you vince.... 
Re: Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay increasingly likely to le
Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:00 pm
Pikey wrote:He could have done that by now but has chosen not to.
Very True but I really don't think we can take that risk.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:11 pm
Sven Ghali wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:I see more positives than negatives in this article (once the usual diatribe regarding 'old news' is traversed)
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
How do you know no one else was not giving us a second glance? A lot of people thought that when we were in the dungeon yet someone came in.
To be honest I don't, but info like that usually has a habit of getting out somewhere and the last 'known' viewer was the idiot from Jersey (or Gurernsey)
However, my point is that Tan WAS the one that came in when we were close to going to the wall and (along with Malky) shares responsibility for getting us to the Premier League where games like today's make me glad that he did
Sven we were a club knocking on the premier door unlike Chester who were lower than the dungeon league.
Sven we owed the taxman £3 million ulike Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth who owed over £80 million and in Rangers case had sold their next 3 years revenue already.
£3 million and to gain a club knocking on the premier is small change for some with some big gains.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:13 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:I see more positives than negatives in this article (once the usual diatribe regarding 'old news' is traversed)
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
How do you know no one else was not giving us a second glance? A lot of people thought that when we were in the dungeon yet someone came in.
To be honest I don't, but info like that usually has a habit of getting out somewhere and the last 'known' viewer was the idiot from Jersey (or Gurernsey)
However, my point is that Tan WAS the one that came in when we were close to going to the wall and (along with Malky) shares responsibility for getting us to the Premier League where games like today's make me glad that he did
Sven we were a club knocking on the premier door unlike Chester who were lower than the dungeon league.
Sven we owed the taxman £3 million ulike Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth who owed over £80 million and in Rangers case had sold their next 3 years revenue already.
£3 million and to gain a club knocking on the premier is small change for some with some big gains.
Don't forget the 25mil owed to sam ! Or Langston or whatever amount of millions it was.
Re: £100m INVESTED BUT STILL NOT POPULAR WITH FANS
Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:05 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:I see more positives than negatives in this article (once the usual diatribe regarding 'old news' is traversed)
The moment I read of the influence/input of Mehmet Dalman, I started to think "Maybe this guy is the positive influence that can build bridges between all parties for the good of Cardiff City FC"
He appears sincere and he has the all the attributes to be involved in a top football club (acute business brain AND an ex-player) and I am thinking we are very lucky to have him onboard
Whether we like it or not, Vincent Tan is our chief benefactor and without him we would not be in the Premier League today. If he can be 'guided' towards a more conciliatory attitude where the paying customers are concerned then we have a very bright future (unless, of course, you are one of those that think a return to the lower leagues is what's best
I was a Nathan Blake fan when he played for Cardiff City, but I am underwhelmed by his journalistic skills. However, I did pick up on one comment made (reference Tan) that I have to agree with:
"Without him, we wouldn’t be having this match, the biggest game in the 100-year history of the rivalry between the clubs"
It's difficult not to agree (for once) and as the excitement builds towards the return of the South Wales 'derby' I can't honestly say that I am not sorry that he came when no-one else would give us a second glance
How do you know no one else was not giving us a second glance? A lot of people thought that when we were in the dungeon yet someone came in.
To be honest I don't, but info like that usually has a habit of getting out somewhere and the last 'known' viewer was the idiot from Jersey (or Gurernsey)
However, my point is that Tan WAS the one that came in when we were close to going to the wall and (along with Malky) shares responsibility for getting us to the Premier League where games like today's make me glad that he did
Sven we were a club knocking on the premier door unlike Chester who were lower than the dungeon league.
Sven we owed the taxman £3 million ulike Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth who owed over £80 million and in Rangers case had sold their next 3 years revenue already.
£3 million and to gain a club knocking on the premier is small change for some with some big gains.
Don't forget the 25mil owed to sam ! Or Langston or whatever amount of millions it was.
What the unsecured money. That would not come into it at all in these circumstances.