Cardiff and Swansea - the hatred continues

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... gue-hatred?


Guardian Newspaper

Saturday 2nd November 2013

CARDIFF CITY V SWANSEA CITY


"We haven't walked the streets of each other's ground for 15 years," says Annis Abraham, a reformed hooligan who was part of Cardiff's notorious Soul Crew firm in the 1980s and has been a season-ticket holder at the club for 41 years. "People say the police are ruining it; they're not. I don't stick up for the police usually but they're preventing a bloodbath. As much as I detest the way they're brought in at Cardiff and we're brought in at Swansea, it is needed."

Running battles between supporters were the norm. In 1988, Swansea fans chased a group of Cardiff supporters into the sea after fighting broke out following a game at the Vetch Field. Accounts of what happened that night vary wildly – Abraham claims that nine Cardiff teenagers were up against 100 "Jacks" – but singing "swim away", complete with the breaststroke action, has been Swansea's favourite way of goading their rivals ever since.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/01/cardiff-city-swansea-premier-league-hatred?

Good piece

Andy Leggs'story is memorable. He took some right grief in his first month or two but rose above it and got on with doing a brilliant job. A top professional

they get a swimming pool with a wave machine. and there still not happy

they get a swimming pool with a wave machine. and there still not happy

Yes I love that, we got the Senedd and they got a swimming pool

It's been like that for years, we get everything, that's why they are so bitter

let them do the swim away..............we can pretend to

they get a swimming pool with a wave machine. and there still not happy

Yes I love that, we got the Senedd and they got a swimming pool

It's been like that for years, we get everything, that's why they are so bitter

You wait until a comet is going to hit Wales, then who'll be laughing, when you get that as well. Anyhow, our bay was made by a greater power, over forty thousand years ago, not by some dodgy builders, out of a load of concrete.

I Don't hate any Cardiff fans that I know, and I know a lot. How can anyone hate somebody else for supporting a different football club? Mind you those Manure fans come pretty bloody close. Now, as it happens, there are lot of our supporters that I'm not to keen on on, and if you're honest you'll agree that you don't love all of your own supporters either.

"Cardiff and Swansea - the hatred continues" says Carl. A typical parochial attitude, that someone, who has never moved out of the village he was born in, would have.

I don't hate you, just want to finish the season above you come May.

they get a swimming pool with a wave machine. and there still not happy

Yes I love that, we got the Senedd and they got a swimming pool

It's been like that for years, we get everything, that's why they are so bitter

You wait until a comet is going to hit Wales, then who'll be laughing, when you get that as well. Anyhow, our bay was made by a greater power, over forty thousand years ago, not by some dodgy builders, out of a load of concrete.

I Don't hate any Cardiff fans that I know, and I know a lot. How can anyone hate somebody else for supporting a different football club? Mind you those Manure fans come pretty bloody close. Now, as it happens, there are lot of our supporters that I'm not to keen on on, and if you're honest you'll agree that you don't love all of your own supporters either.

"Cardiff and Swansea - the hatred continues" says Carl. A typical parochial attitude, that someone, who has never moved out of the village he was born in, would have.

I don't hate you, just want to finish the season above you come May.

The headline is one used by the Guardian newspaper

And for factual basis, I was born and bred in Port Talbot and moved to the village of Skewen in 1996.

they get a swimming pool with a wave machine. and there still not happy

Yes I love that, we got the Senedd and they got a swimming pool

It's been like that for years, we get everything, that's why they are so bitter

You wait until a comet is going to hit Wales, then who'll be laughing, when you get that as well. Anyhow, our bay was made by a greater power, over forty thousand years ago, not by some dodgy builders, out of a load of concrete.

I Don't hate any Cardiff fans that I know, and I know a lot. How can anyone hate somebody else for supporting a different football club? Mind you those Manure fans come pretty bloody close. Now, as it happens, there are lot of our supporters that I'm not to keen on on, and if you're honest you'll agree that you don't love all of your own supporters either.

"Cardiff and Swansea - the hatred continues" says Carl. A typical parochial attitude, that someone, who has never moved out of the village he was born in, would have.

I don't hate you, just want to finish the season above you come May.

Wow, ajax, one of the best posts (Carl piece aside ) I have read from a Jack in a while and (being honest) you are not far wrong. Personally, I'd probably include Stoke City fans in your ManUre analogy

I wondered why you been sticking up for the guardian this week Annis
Good read though

Hammam, who was Cardiff's owner between 2000 and 2006, and is now back at the club as life president, made several patronising comments during his time at Ninian Park, including one particular remark, in August 2000, that came back to haunt him. "Swansea will never be a big club and if they are being honest with themselves they will say so," Hammam said. "If Swansea fans are Welsh and want to see top-class football in Wales, then they should recognise that Cardiff is the only Welsh club with a cat in hell's chance of making it."


This is not an Anti-Swansea post as, like many others, I have friends in Swansea but these comments by Sam did strike an accord with me.

For me the definition of being a big club is (a) being a top 6 side and (b) being able to command 40,000 supporters into your ground each week and (c) Being able to bankroll mega signings, regularly

Clearly, against this definition, neither Cardiff or Swansea are there yet. But I do honestly believe that Cardiff are the only side who have the capability of hitting those 3 targets at some point in the future.

let them do the swim away..............we can pretend to ride a horse clip a-t-y clop

I weep for your children

A good read

The papers would like nothing more than to see massive trouble between fans this sunday.And the only thing to come out of it is that both clubs will be hurt financially.

let them do the swim away..............we can pretend to ride

No need for these comments. Swim away is quite funny and just banter. If you are talking about that swansea fan who died then thats bang out of order.

An excellent article. Not for the first time, Alan Curtis comes across as the gentleman that he is. Still got the photo of him being carried, shoulder high, from the Ninian Park pitch after we clinched promotion against Crewe. He's Swansea through and through, I know, but he enjoyed his time with us.

Annis is right, though. Best keep these games bubbles for the foreseeable future.

As for the swimming pool, it is an Olympic standard one. Like the Velodrome in Newport. Give and take, eh?

I liked the picture. Cardiff abusing the gypos while they stand there sheepishly.

the last time we played the jacks was at ninian i sat with my young boy right behind the swansea bench and right behind alan curtis the game was ending 2-1 curtis went nuts in that the swans went 2-1 up and thought they had won .The cardiff fans in the grandstand were all calling curtis names he loved the fact that the jacks were going to win the game until

brilliant ross mcormack stepped up and scared a pen to finish the game 2-2 that day i jumped all over alan curtis screamed in his ear as loud as possible for as long as possible and said to him you aint so appy now are you alan .

The moment was just brilliant and will stay with me forever i really hope to god alan curtis goes back up the m4 just as pissed off as he did that day that will give me great great pleasure.

2-1 to us cant wait bring em on Malky and the boys will do it tomorrow i have faith.