Malky negative but how should he change it?

Right lads lot of negativity about malky tactics and it's hard to disagree

This is how he set up today roughly

.................MARSHALL.............
KTC....caulker....turner.....Taylor
............medel.....Mutch.........
.......whitts....Kim......pow........
.............Campbell..............

So what wrong with this?

What would you change?

For me this type of system needs a number 10 like Rooney and for us no one pushes far enough to support Campbell we don't get enough width with this either, we should be taking it to teams like Norwich understand using this away to Chelsea utd etc where u are always going to be on back foot but it's disappointing at home to toon and away to the norwichs

I'd have gone like this today

....................Marshall.................
KTC.........caulker.....turner......John
....................medel..................
Noone.........whitts .....Mutch.......bellamy
.....................odemwingie..............

Can't argue with back 6 in fairness will be like that all season barring injury although I'd have tried young Declan willing to get forward would provide us with much needed width IMO linking up with Bellamy in bellers favourite position and bellers old club extra motivation would fancy us to give them problems
I think noone has a point to prove and would have defo gives us width pace a direct attacking
Mutch would bring balance to midfield allowing whitts to push forward and pull strings medel holding back to provide cover odemwingie provides more attacking threat than Campbell for me and is a cleverer players position ally and just better player
That's how I'd have gone I believe that team tells Norwich we mean more business than how we set up IMO it looked like we'd sit back and counter as we did at home to man city and every other game and quite frankly it's become predictable

Malky for me needs to switch it up

Why not 5-3-2 otherwise

Marshall

KTC
Caulker
Hudson
Turner
John

Wing backs providing width

Medel pulling strings

Mutch and Kim in front of him

And odemwingue up top

Different and not weakened defensively either? More of a defensive one again

Why not the old fashioned 4-4-2?

I believe he's stuck to this cps we didn't sign any class wingers that my honest belief and I can see his pint but why not show everyone by playing noone if he's dire malky will have made his point? Anyone think that reason we are stuck with this formation is purely because we failed to sign quality wingers?

Smakerz he doesnt have the players to change it.

Hes blown most of his budget on defensive minded players and stuck with what we had in the championship going forward and they are clearly not up to the standard required.

When we are still using the likes of Cowie and Gestede then something isnt right.

Why would he change it? 9 points from 9 difficult games, exactly what we will probably need to stay up. We didn't play attractive stuff when we won the championship so we can't expect it now. Need to get used to this because as long as we stay in the premiership this is what we will have to do. If we get two wins like man city and Fulham every 9 games we should enjoy the highs and count ourselves lucky. In the next transfer windows we can maybe get better options up front and in attacking midfielders but I don't think there is any chance we will change the way we play.

4-2-3-1 is the correct way to go in away games. Personally in away games I would play Gunnarrson and Medel together as defensive midfielders in front of Catherine, Caulker, Turner and Taylor with Mutch, Kim and Whittingham as attacking midfielders,Cornelius up front once he's fit. Then I would have a choice of Bellamy, Odemwingie, Campbell, Maynard, Mason or Noone as Impact players from the bench if we go behind and need to attack. At home that's a different matter altogether. I may be a bit radical here especially against the weaker sides I would go 3-1-5-1, three across the back Catherine, Caulker and Turner with Medel sitting in front of them. Again I would go Cornelius up front with Odemwingie, Mutch, Kim, Whittingham and Noone as attacking midfielders (all capable of scoring goals by the way), Then if we need to change things up at any time we would still have Campbell, Maynard, Mason and Bellamy on the bench if required. basically what I'm saying is I think Malky has got his tactics spot on away as boring as that may seem but it will nick us some points. However we need to be far more positive at home and go for the win.

We need width, support for Campbell and to stop whacking it up the pitch at every given opportunity.

We need width, support for Campbell and to stop whacking it up the pitch at every given opportunity.

I agree do you see him being able to do that though with current squad?

For me if he uses my first formation I mentioned that gives us width although question marks raised over noone at this level but then if he ain't tried we won't know willwe?

I know some on here dont rate gestede ( I happen to think he is a game changer) but f**k me its his fault again and hes not even playing polo you make me laugh some times quote when we are still using cowie and gestede when did gestede play last hmmmmmmmmmm

Right lads lot of negativity about malky tactics and it's hard to disagree

This is how he set up today roughly

.................MARSHALL.............
KTC....caulker....turner.....Taylor
............medel.....Mutch.........
.......whitts....Kim......pow........
.............Campbell..............

So what wrong with this?

What would you change?

For me this type of system needs a number 10 like Rooney and for us no one pushes far enough to support Campbell we don't get enough width with this either, we should be taking it to teams like Norwich understand using this away to Chelsea utd etc where u are always going to be on back foot but it's disappointing at home to toon and away to the norwichs

I'd have gone like this today

....................Marshall.................
KTC.........caulker.....turner......John
....................medel..................
Noone.........whitts .....Mutch.......bellamy
.....................odemwingie..............

Can't argue with back 6 in fairness will be like that all season barring injury although I'd have tried young Declan willing to get forward would provide us with much needed width IMO linking up with Bellamy in bellers favourite position and bellers old club extra motivation would fancy us to give them problems
I think noone has a point to prove and would have defo gives us width pace a direct attacking
Mutch would bring balance to midfield allowing whitts to push forward and pull strings medel holding back to provide cover odemwingie provides more attacking threat than Campbell for me and is a cleverer players position ally and just better player
That's how I'd have gone I believe that team tells Norwich we mean more business than how we set up IMO it looked like we'd sit back and counter as we did at home to man city and every other game and quite frankly it's become predictable

Malky for me needs to switch it up

Why not 5-3-2 otherwise

Marshall

KTC
Caulker
Hudson
Turner
John

Wing backs providing width

Medel pulling strings

Mutch and Kim in front of him

And odemwingue up top

Different and not weakened defensively either? More of a defensive one again

Why not the old fashioned 4-4-2?

I believe he's stuck to this cps we didn't sign any class wingers that my honest belief and I can see his pint but why not show everyone by playing noone if he's dire malky will have made his point? Anyone think that reason we are stuck with this formation is purely because we failed to sign quality wingers?

medel plays as a central defender for chile so why not go 3-5-2 with catherine and bellamy as the wing backs at least you know catherine and bellers would do their tracking back

Here's my considered opinion:

We need to attack more than 2 or 3 times per game and we need to score goals.

Here's my considered opinion:

We need to attack more than 2 or 3 times per game and we need to score goals.

Wonderful input mate, very clever fella by the sounds

We need width, support for Campbell and to stop whacking it up the pitch at every given opportunity.

I agree do you see him being able to do that though with current squad?

For me if he uses my first formation I mentioned that gives us width although question marks raised over noone at this level but then if he ain't tried we won't know willwe?

I think Noone can sort out the width dilemma. We can play some nice stuff when we want to (look at Fulham for example) but Malky rathers the long passing for whatever reason.

Right lads lot of negativity about malky tactics and it's hard to disagree

This is how he set up today roughly

.................MARSHALL.............
KTC....caulker....turner.....Taylor
............medel.....Mutch.........
.......whitts....Kim......pow........
.............Campbell..............

So what wrong with this?

What would you change?

For me this type of system needs a number 10 like Rooney and for us no one pushes far enough to support Campbell we don't get enough width with this either, we should be taking it to teams like Norwich understand using this away to Chelsea utd etc where u are always going to be on back foot but it's disappointing at home to toon and away to the norwichs

I'd have gone like this today

....................Marshall.................
KTC.........caulker.....turner......John
....................medel..................
Noone.........whitts .....Mutch.......bellamy
.....................odemwingie..............

Can't argue with back 6 in fairness will be like that all season barring injury although I'd have tried young Declan willing to get forward would provide us with much needed width IMO linking up with Bellamy in bellers favourite position and bellers old club extra motivation would fancy us to give them problems
I think noone has a point to prove and would have defo gives us width pace a direct attacking
Mutch would bring balance to midfield allowing whitts to push forward and pull strings medel holding back to provide cover odemwingie provides more attacking threat than Campbell for me and is a cleverer players position ally and just better player
That's how I'd have gone I believe that team tells Norwich we mean more business than how we set up IMO it looked like we'd sit back and counter as we did at home to man city and every other game and quite frankly it's become predictable

Malky for me needs to switch it up

Why not 5-3-2 otherwise

Marshall

KTC
Caulker
Hudson
Turner
John

Wing backs providing width

Medel pulling strings

Mutch and Kim in front of him

And odemwingue up top

Different and not weakened defensively either? More of a defensive one again

Why not the old fashioned 4-4-2?

I believe he's stuck to this cps we didn't sign any class wingers that my honest belief and I can see his pint but why not show everyone by playing noone if he's dire malky will have made his point? Anyone think that reason we are stuck with this formation is purely because we failed to sign quality wingers?

I've got no problem with yesterdays formation. It's the fact that we hardly worried Norwich's goalie that pissed me off. Don't tell me our players are still pouting over their bonuses.

I know some on here dont rate gestede ( I happen to think he is a game changer) but f**k me its his fault again and hes not even playing polo you make me laugh some times quote when we are still using cowie and gestede when did gestede play last hmmmmmmmmmm

Where did I say yesterday was his fault?

Smakerz he doesnt have the players to change it.

Hes blown most of his budget on defensive minded players and stuck with what we had in the championship going forward and they are clearly not up to the standard required.

When we are still using the likes of Cowie and Gestede then something isnt right.

Agreed mate. 109%

TBH malky has changed albeit a little too late over the last two seasons when it wasn't going right, lets hope we got a lucky point and he got a "free" lesson learnt.

We can blame the striker but none of our midfield can hold the ball or pick a pass. IMO Whitts is still our best passer, with the Gary M insurance behind or around him get him in the middle.

Peter O can't play Malkys version of a right sided forward, striker or bench for me.

Not a fan of Noone, so Kimbo in Whitts position

Not much we can do though....

We need to play with some width and use wingers.. the formation isn't working.

Suddenly out 25m rated kim bo has dropprd from everyone's pecking order. Fickle

If he came out on Sunday 4-4-2 with Noone on the wing Swansea wouldn't know what's hit them, but that will never happen!

If he came out on Sunday 4-4-2 with Noone on the wing Swansea wouldn't know what's hit them, but that will never happen!

for starters noones injured :p

I dont think its the formation its more the mentality. I think Polo has referred to it before as playing the percentages and thats spot on IMO.

We won the league last year without giving many teams a real thrashing, we havent ever really gone on a good run of good performances. IMO when you have better players than most teams its pretty easy and safe to play percentages but when you dont your going to struggle.

I dont think it matters what formation we play if MM if the mentality is the same. Im certainly not saying go all out attack but we need more flow to our game to be able to create chances.