The incident at the end

What's most annoying is the overly defensive tactics means that if an incident like this happens and it gets given against us, as the Eto'o decision was, then its going to cost us. At 0-0, had the referee awarded Leroy Fer the goal we'd have been punished for it and theres no return.

People will say 'but it wasn't a goal', well neither was the Eto'o goal according to the rule book and it should have been ruled out but referees get things wrong often. Another incident I can recall is the beach ball incident. These are things that for a team like us that will probably try and get around the 40-45 point mark are going to cost us important points.

Bailed out by the referee today. On another day that could have been Clattenburg's or Dowd's perfect moment to grab the headlines for themselves. A few referees love the controversy and the media hype and having their names in the papers and fortunately for us, Mike Jones isn't one of them.

Go 1-0, sit back and play for the 3 points, thats fine by me, but at 0-0 to still sit back and allow them to come at us at will is just beyond ridiculous. I cant see Malky lasting as Tan will get frustrated soon enough. To Tan today, thats not a point gained thats another draw, not a win and not many shots on target.

We are continuously playing with fire.

I didn't see the incident. What happened exactly?

thought you left again last week?

The ref got it wrong last week,this week he got it right.

I didn't see the incident. What happened exactly?

Norwich player was down injured. Marshall kicked the ball out so he could get treatment, norwich took the throw quick and tapped it in the empty net. Cheating pricks. Luckily the ref disallowed it and made them take it again, but on another day it could of stood.

Today would have been even more shocking as to lose against Chelsea is not too big a deal... Anyway good to see some passion from the players the way it all kicked off when they thought the ref had given a goal

What are you on about you absolute tool. We couldn't have done anything to prevent it. We put it out of play for an injury to their player, then they took the throw in and their player put it in the net. How were we 'playing with fire'? Enlighten me.

thought you left again last week?

I left the chat about rebrand etc. I talk on match days on matters concerning football from now on and that is that. Please stay on topic Craig. What do you think of todays football?

I didn't see the incident. What happened exactly?

Norwich player was down injured. Marshall kicked the ball out so he could get treatment, norwich took the throw quick and tapped it in the empty net. Cheating pricks. Luckily the ref disallowed it and made them take it again, but on another day it could of stood.

Thanks. Refs making the right call for once.

What are you on about you absolute tool. We couldn't have done anything to prevent it. We put it out of play for an injury to their player, then they took the throw in and their player put it in the net. How were we 'playing with fire'? Enlighten me.

he makes it up as he goes along

So what was the actual offence?

Hate this kicking the ball out rubbish. If the ref wont allow a play to happen at the restart then blow the whistle to stop the game in the first instance.

What are you on about you absolute tool. We couldn't have done anything to prevent it. We put it out of play for an injury to their player, then they took the throw in and their player put it in the net. How were we 'playing with fire'? Enlighten me.

I just told you how. Marshall was caught napping for one and on another day, a day like when the referee got it wrong at Chelsea, that goal could have been allowed. If you can't see that then you are living in a mist of delusion. You think at the top level the referees are always going to get things right?

Leroy Fer knew fully well referees don't know 100% of the rule book and get things wrong and so on when put in a tough decision and he played the chances game by knocking it in the net. He knew fully well there was a chance to take advantage and grab a goal on the sly so he tried it. Fortunately for us, the referee today got the call right. On another day, we might not be so lucky.

Also don't say Marshall wasn't caught napping because he was. He should have been alert to any quick throw in as should any other professional on that field as it happens.

So what was the actual offence?

Hate this kicking the ball out rubbish. If the ref wont allow a play to happen at the restart then blow the whistle to stop the game in the first instance.

With some (serious injury) exceptions I agree with you

So what was the actual offence?

Hate this kicking the ball out rubbish. If the ref wont allow a play to happen at the restart then blow the whistle to stop the game in the first instance.

Roathie, we got bailed out. There was no offence committed according to the rule book. They took a quick throw in and score from it as Marshall switched off. The goal could have legitimately stood if the referee wanted to play to the exact letter of the rule book. However, he decided to use, thankfully for us, common sense and pull it back on the basis of good sportsmanship.

Was what Norwich and Leroy Fer done bad sportsmanship? Yes. Could it have been given as a fair goal according to the rule book? Yes it could have.

Floyd Mayweather KO'd Ortiz when he never had his hands up. It was bad sportsmanship to tag him off guard but according to the rule book it was fine as it stated 'you must have your hands up at all times'. Football isn't the only sport where the athletes take advantage of the discrepancy between good sportsmanship and the actual rule book.

No different to society. You can do something immoral but still do it within the law.

The referee could have given that goal no problem at all and said its your own fault for not being alert to play restarting. We've seen similar incidents where walls haven't been set in the past and Henry and so on have taken quick free kicks etc. Is that good sportsmanship? No, but he took advantage of slack defending and the opposition not being alert.

We got bailed out thanks to the ref factoring in good sportsmanship today. Other days referees will play exactly to the rule book because thats the way they are.

Why are people saying the ref got it right? Even though it was a shit goal to concede In terms of sportsmanship it should have stood. Correct outcome in the end. But ref got it wrong in terms of the rules

What are you on about you absolute tool. We couldn't have done anything to prevent it. We put it out of play for an injury to their player, then they took the throw in and their player put it in the net. How were we 'playing with fire'? Enlighten me.

I just told you how. Marshall was caught napping for one and on another day, a day like when the referee got it wrong at Chelsea, that goal could have been allowed. If you can't see that then you are living in a mist of delusion. You think at the top level the referees are always going to get things right?

Leroy Fer knew fully well referees don't know 100% of the rule book and get things wrong and so on when put in a tough decision and he played the chances game by knocking it in the net. He knew fully well there was a chance to take advantage and grab a goal on the sly so he tried it. Fortunately for us, the referee today got the call right. On another day, we might not be so lucky.

Also don't say Marshall wasn't caught napping because he was. He should have been alert to any quick throw in as should any other professional on that field as it happens.

Marshall place himself away from the goal so to prevent what happened. Their player should have passed back away from the goal not directly at it. That's the ethics of the game hence why the Norwich player got surround by our guys.

The rules were changed a few years ago. It is actually a legitimate rule now where is used to be an unwritten rule.

Falls under the "spirit of the game" ruling.

Why are people saying the ref got it right? Even though it was a shit goal to concede In terms of sportsmanship it should have stood. Correct outcome in the end. But ref got it wrong in terms of the rules

You are spot on. His decision was made in terms of good sportsmanship and we must respect him for that Paul. On another day, as said above, we'll have a referee who loves the headlines and will use such decisions to get his name in the papers. We know who the referees are who are always in the papers for controversial decisions.

If a few more incidents like that happen this season (we've already had our fair share of controversial moments in this league already) and we end up on the wrong end of them this season and the referees get them wrong people can blame the referees all they want but what I'll blame is the tactics and the manager who instilled such tactics that left us in a position whereby we were vulnerable to such a decision taking all the points from us.

Other teams are going 2-0 up before playing our way and sitting deep because they then can afford an error of judgement and still come out victorious. We sit back protecting a 0-0. Its bewildering. Malky better hope Cornelius hits the ground running and adds a new dimension to our game play with his height otherwise he'll be getting the sack soon.

The rules were changed a few years ago. It is actually a legitimate rule now where is used to be an unwritten rule.

Falls under the "spirit of the game" ruling.

Craig is right.

The rules were changed a few years ago. It is actually a legitimate rule now where is used to be an unwritten rule.

Falls under the "spirit of the game" ruling.

clarity at last

the goal technically should of stood the balls back in play quick throw in or not but common sense and sportsmanship came into play, thank god the ref disallowed but lets be fair Norwich should of put a few past us, david marshall saved us once again

The rules were changed a few years ago. It is actually a legitimate rule now where is used to be an unwritten rule.

Falls under the "spirit of the game" ruling.

As proven in the Chelsea game, referees still get things wrong. Why are we defending a 0-0 for 90 minutes with the odd attack? Its just leaving us in a vulnerable position whereby incidents like this going against us can leave us with 0 points. On another day Craig, a referee could have let that stand and we'd be coming home empty handed with only ourselves to blame for letting it get to that. We can blame the referees all we like but they are only human like us and they get things wrong.

As proven in the Chelsea game, referees still get things wrong. Why are we defending a 0-0 for 90 minutes with the odd attack? Its just leaving us in a vulnerable position whereby incidents like this going against us can leave us with 0 points. On another day Craig, a referee could have let that stand and we'd be coming home empty handed with only ourselves to blame for letting it get to that. We can blame the referees all we like but they are only human like us and they get things wrong.

So you're going to slate Malky and the team because the referee COULD have got it wrong?!

What a load of tosh. The team relied on the referee to make the right call & he did.

The game was poor and Cardiff were poor, but to slate Mackay for the referee maybe getting the decision wrong is ridiculous.

The rules were changed a few years ago. It is actually a legitimate rule now where is used to be an unwritten rule.

Falls under the "spirit of the game" ruling.

As proven in the Chelsea game, referees still get things wrong. Why are we defending a 0-0 for 90 minutes with the odd attack? Its just leaving us in a vulnerable position whereby incidents like this going against us can leave us with 0 points. On another day Craig, a referee could have let that stand and we'd be coming home empty handed with only ourselves to blame for letting it get to that. We can blame the referees all we like but they are only human like us and they get things wrong.

Im not denying we were crap. Im not denying things need to change. Im merely stating that its a rule and the ref was correct and made the right call.

The chelsea goal stood because the ref thought marshall dropped it.

I'm more interested at the Norwich throw-in taker shaking his head as he threw the ball. Seems to me there might have been some fallings out in their changing room after that.

Can't believe we are involved in yet more controversy after last week! Watched it down the pub. Why was the goal disallowed exactly as we didn't have no commentary? Is there such a rule to take the throw in again? Don't get me wrong it was bang out of order what the Norwich boy did and I was tamping but I'm not sure why it was disallowed? I also can't believe the positioning of David Marshall. Is he really that naive to think that this type of thing might not happen in the 93rd minute of a match?? From the last 2 weeks I hope he has learnt to trust no fucker! If the goal had of stood I would like to think that Chris Houghton would have let us run the ball in. Hopefully Ben Turner would have done this to bag me the last goal
By the way David Marshall's season so far is not in question, he has been fantastic. Just before anyone jumps on that!
Lee.

Referee didn't blow for throw in to be taken! So ordered it retaken just like a free kick would be! It's that simple according reports on tv.

Referee didn't blow for throw in to be taken! So ordered it retaken just like a free kick would be! It's that simple according reports on tv.

Thanks m8 think we can thank our lucky stars tonight!

Referee didn't blow for throw in to be taken! So ordered it retaken just like a free kick would be! It's that simple according reports on tv.

Thanks m8 think we can thank our lucky stars tonight!

Yes on my tv it showed 1-0 but they explained what happened all this crap on here about rights and wrong of incident is pointless!

What a load of tosh. The team relied on the referee to make the right call & he did.

And therein lies the problem. Why are we relying on officials to make calls when such incidents crop up? If we take the game to teams and go 2 or 3 nil up and something like that happens and the goal is given wrongly, it doesn't effect the outcome points wise. When its 0-0, the result we play 90 minutes for, then of course, its flirting with danger.

We should not be relying on officials at all to make the right call. What we should be doing is taking the game to the other team and having a go. If things continue as they are we will be joining Palace and Sunderland back in the Championship unfortunately. Whilst we are doing okay now, the likes of Norwich will rise up if they continue to play with such purpose etc. All they need is to be more clinical in front of goal and with RVW coming back into the fore for them (a clinical striker) the chances of them rising up the table is very high. They create, they float the ball around excellently. All things we could do but we are being held back by overly defensive tactics.

Cue the 'WE CANT TAKE THE GAME TO TEAMS LIKE NORWICH THOUGH' as we only just come up brigade now. It might have worked with Chelsea but not with teams like Norwich. We were very bloody lucky today to end up with a point from that. Out classed in all departments other than between the posts.

If we stay up this year then the council should knock the Mill Stadium down and build a gigantic statue of David Marshall in its place in his honour because it'll be thanks to him saving us points why we stay up. He bailed us out time and time again today and you could tell numerous times how livid he was.