Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:41 pm
Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:46 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:31 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:37 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:40 am
JamesC wrote:Typical... bring me a revolution, but let someone else figure it out...
What RB says isn't wrong, but it's a lot of complaining without solution
Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:45 am
RoathMagic wrote:JamesC wrote:Typical... bring me a revolution, but let someone else figure it out...
What RB says isn't wrong, but it's a lot of complaining without solution
Its not his place to create the ideology. Hes giving the reasons why he isnt voting, because he doesnt agree with the structure of the government and is disillusioned with their effect on society.
He is saying when a good system comes on board then he will vote for it.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:55 am
JamesC wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JamesC wrote:Typical... bring me a revolution, but let someone else figure it out...
What RB says isn't wrong, but it's a lot of complaining without solution
Its not his place to create the ideology. Hes giving the reasons why he isnt voting, because he doesnt agree with the structure of the government and is disillusioned with their effect on society.
He is saying when a good system comes on board then he will vote for it.
But he is creating an ideology, I think he was caught of guard when asked explain how though!
I do agree to a point, there is no "perfect party" to vote for, if that's not too simplistic,
But my argument is, why not vote? Why not see which party benefits your criteria most and have a say
Who knows, I've been on the vodka for 4 hours and I'm vaguely aware that I have to drive over to Newport for 9am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:00 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:02 am
JamesC wrote:Fair play. I have nothing else to say on the matter
A tip o' the cap to you MR magic and a good day
Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:06 am
RoathMagic wrote:JamesC wrote:Fair play. I have nothing else to say on the matter
A tip o' the cap to you MR magic and a good day
Nice one![]()
He is fantastic with words though isnt he, not Paxmans usual foe thats for sure
Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:50 am
RoathMagic wrote:JamesC wrote:Typical... bring me a revolution, but let someone else figure it out...
What RB says isn't wrong, but it's a lot of complaining without solution
Its not his place to create the ideology. Hes giving the reasons why he isnt voting, because he doesnt agree with the structure of the government and is disillusioned with their effect on society. I choose not to buy veal due to the treatment of the animal in question however I dont feel its my duty to create and supply better deer meat.
He is saying when a good system comes on board then he will vote for it.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:52 am
CraigCCFC wrote:Veal is not deer meat. That's venison. Veal is the meat of calves, usually male bull calves.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:54 am
RoathMagic wrote:You can disagree with something without having to create the solution yourself.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:57 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:RoathMagic wrote:You can disagree with something without having to create the solution yourself.
Yes. Many pro-VT fans use this mechanism to try and defend him.. "Who have you got lined up to replace him then?" Or "you've got x million in the bank to replace him then?"
Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:49 am
RoathMagic wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:Veal is not deer meat. That's venison. Veal is the meat of calves, usually male bull calves.
Oh yeahim sure you git my drift though. You can disagree with something without having to create the solution yourself.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:12 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:RoathMagic wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:Veal is not deer meat. That's venison. Veal is the meat of calves, usually male bull calves.
Oh yeahim sure you git my drift though. You can disagree with something without having to create the solution yourself.
Rebel without a cause,its been done before.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:02 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:53 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:00 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:10 am
JONNY012697 wrote:I think he just spent a lot of time saying many things without saying anything at all
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:25 am
RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:I think he just spent a lot of time saying many things without saying anything at all
He is saying that the current system is not working and not listening to the needs of the majority of the people that voted them in, focusing instead of the corporations that now are almost becoming as powerful as the government themselves.
Its an excellent point and a fair reason as to why hes never voted.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:30 am
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:32 am
JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:I think he just spent a lot of time saying many things without saying anything at all
He is saying that the current system is not working and not listening to the needs of the majority of the people that voted them in, focusing instead of the corporations that now are almost becoming as powerful as the government themselves.
Its an excellent point and a fair reason as to why hes never voted.
not really in my opinion, its a massive generalisation, our system may struggle on a national scale but as an individual the system can do wonders for you, if you know how it works. This in my opinion is where the system fails this country has forgotten to teach people how to use the political system with only an elite few utilising it to maximum efficiency for personal gain rather the perceived good of the country.
conservative party concentrating on corporations shock horror!!! its what they stand for they provide and its up to us the people to take up what the government provide for you, they have been doing it for a very long time, in stark difference to how the Labour Party would provide for you.
what he said is scripted I doubt he understood it himself except he didnt say anything anyway, Paxman was spot on ok you dont like the current system but how do you want to change it? You cant call for a revolution and not explain what people should revolt for, otherwise you have anarchy (maybe his end solution). If you want change fine but what do you want to change it into?
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:48 am
RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:I think he just spent a lot of time saying many things without saying anything at all
He is saying that the current system is not working and not listening to the needs of the majority of the people that voted them in, focusing instead of the corporations that now are almost becoming as powerful as the government themselves.
Its an excellent point and a fair reason as to why hes never voted.
not really in my opinion, its a massive generalisation, our system may struggle on a national scale but as an individual the system can do wonders for you, if you know how it works. This in my opinion is where the system fails this country has forgotten to teach people how to use the political system with only an elite few utilising it to maximum efficiency for personal gain rather the perceived good of the country.
conservative party concentrating on corporations shock horror!!! its what they stand for they provide and its up to us the people to take up what the government provide for you, they have been doing it for a very long time, in stark difference to how the Labour Party would provide for you.
what he said is scripted I doubt he understood it himself except he didnt say anything anyway, Paxman was spot on ok you dont like the current system but how do you want to change it? You cant call for a revolution and not explain what people should revolt for, otherwise you have anarchy (maybe his end solution). If you want change fine but what do you want to change it into?
I don't how you can possibly think Brand didn't say anything and it was scripted. Without wanting to sound patronising, maybe you didnt understand what he was saying? He explained the current situation perfectly and why he is disillusioned with the current system in place. The reactions to the questions was clearly genuine as were Paxmans reactions to the answers.
Again, you dont have to have a solution to comment that the current system isnt working. I cant fathom why people cant understand this point.
I think Dermot Olearly is an awful presenter however its not my place to employ another on behalf of the television company, that change must come from within. However I can do my part and not tune in and contribute to their ratings.
Its as simple as that.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:53 am
JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:I think he just spent a lot of time saying many things without saying anything at all
He is saying that the current system is not working and not listening to the needs of the majority of the people that voted them in, focusing instead of the corporations that now are almost becoming as powerful as the government themselves.
Its an excellent point and a fair reason as to why hes never voted.
not really in my opinion, its a massive generalisation, our system may struggle on a national scale but as an individual the system can do wonders for you, if you know how it works. This in my opinion is where the system fails this country has forgotten to teach people how to use the political system with only an elite few utilising it to maximum efficiency for personal gain rather the perceived good of the country.
conservative party concentrating on corporations shock horror!!! its what they stand for they provide and its up to us the people to take up what the government provide for you, they have been doing it for a very long time, in stark difference to how the Labour Party would provide for you.
what he said is scripted I doubt he understood it himself except he didnt say anything anyway, Paxman was spot on ok you dont like the current system but how do you want to change it? You cant call for a revolution and not explain what people should revolt for, otherwise you have anarchy (maybe his end solution). If you want change fine but what do you want to change it into?
I don't how you can possibly think Brand didn't say anything and it was scripted. Without wanting to sound patronising, maybe you didnt understand what he was saying? He explained the current situation perfectly and why he is disillusioned with the current system in place. The reactions to the questions was clearly genuine as were Paxmans reactions to the answers.
Again, you dont have to have a solution to comment that the current system isnt working. I cant fathom why people cant understand this point.
I think Dermot Olearly is an awful presenter however its not my place to employ another on behalf of the television company, that change must come from within. However I can do my part and not tune in and contribute to their ratings.
Its as simple as that.
how can he be disillusioned he has never taken an interest, confused maybe thats understandable, I doubt anybody taught him the political system, same as nobody taught me.
he never said he didnt take an interest, he said he had never voted and gave his reasons why. You dont have to vote in order to take an interest, i have also never voted for the same reasons.
he explained the current situation from one stand point many people will disagree with him many will, welcome to democracy.
I dont understand people who assume the current system needs to change without offering any sort of resolution (we will never agree so its pointless arguing this point). FYI I understand his point I just dont give it much credence as he demands change without any sort of explanation. It needs to change? why? because it does mind your own business!!! is all I hear from Russell or he doesnt understand the points he is trying to make.
he explained perfectly why it needs to change, he just didnt know exactly how. Thats not his jurisdiction, hes a comedian not a politician.
I dont really understand your Dermot point. Are you making an analogy to the point not to vote. The way I see it if you dont like Dermot (a political party) watch a different channel (or vote for a different party) you dont turn the TV off because Dermot is on one channel (not vote).
no, my point was that I can have a view that something doesnt work without having to fix the issue myself. Its not my job to do so.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:59 am
RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:I think he just spent a lot of time saying many things without saying anything at all
He is saying that the current system is not working and not listening to the needs of the majority of the people that voted them in, focusing instead of the corporations that now are almost becoming as powerful as the government themselves.
Its an excellent point and a fair reason as to why hes never voted.
not really in my opinion, its a massive generalisation, our system may struggle on a national scale but as an individual the system can do wonders for you, if you know how it works. This in my opinion is where the system fails this country has forgotten to teach people how to use the political system with only an elite few utilising it to maximum efficiency for personal gain rather the perceived good of the country.
conservative party concentrating on corporations shock horror!!! its what they stand for they provide and its up to us the people to take up what the government provide for you, they have been doing it for a very long time, in stark difference to how the Labour Party would provide for you.
what he said is scripted I doubt he understood it himself except he didnt say anything anyway, Paxman was spot on ok you dont like the current system but how do you want to change it? You cant call for a revolution and not explain what people should revolt for, otherwise you have anarchy (maybe his end solution). If you want change fine but what do you want to change it into?
I don't how you can possibly think Brand didn't say anything and it was scripted. Without wanting to sound patronising, maybe you didnt understand what he was saying? He explained the current situation perfectly and why he is disillusioned with the current system in place. The reactions to the questions was clearly genuine as were Paxmans reactions to the answers.
Again, you dont have to have a solution to comment that the current system isnt working. I cant fathom why people cant understand this point.
I think Dermot Olearly is an awful presenter however its not my place to employ another on behalf of the television company, that change must come from within. However I can do my part and not tune in and contribute to their ratings.
Its as simple as that.
how can he be disillusioned he has never taken an interest, confused maybe thats understandable, I doubt anybody taught him the political system, same as nobody taught me.
he never said he didnt take an interest, he said he had never voted and gave his reasons why. You dont have to vote in order to take an interest, i have also never voted for the same reasons.
he explained the current situation from one stand point many people will disagree with him many will, welcome to democracy.
I dont understand people who assume the current system needs to change without offering any sort of resolution (we will never agree so its pointless arguing this point). FYI I understand his point I just dont give it much credence as he demands change without any sort of explanation. It needs to change? why? because it does mind your own business!!! is all I hear from Russell or he doesnt understand the points he is trying to make.
he explained perfectly why it needs to change, he just didnt know exactly how. Thats not his jurisdiction, hes a comedian not a politician.
I dont really understand your Dermot point. Are you making an analogy to the point not to vote. The way I see it if you dont like Dermot (a political party) watch a different channel (or vote for a different party) you dont turn the TV off because Dermot is on one channel (not vote).
no, my point was that I can have a view that something doesnt work without having to fix the issue myself. Its not my job to do so.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:01 pm
Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:18 pm
JONNY012697 wrote:
so whos job is it then?
i dont know. Certainly not Russell Brand's. The nation has to wake up first and demand a change then we can go from there.
the current system?
does Brand want to take credit for a revolution without putting any work in?
I dont think Russell has claimed he is leading the revolution. He was simply asked why he doesnt vote, he encouraged others however to do the same if they want change. Im pretty sure hes not taking credit for anything.
Politics is all about views if you dont air your views its wasted not voting is wasting your view. If you dont vote and nothing changes dont complain because you havent done anything to either maintain the status quo or change the system.
but his and others views arent being represented so why vote? I love an analogy me... If Malky said in order to solve our wingers gap we are giving you the opportunity to decide who we sign... They are all rubbish though. a 34 year old from Altringham town, a 34 year old from Alfreton and a 34 year old from Airbus UK all as bad as eachother. The vote would be futile if you wanted none.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:25 pm
RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:
so whos job is it then?
i dont know. Certainly not Russell Brand's. The nation has to wake up first and demand a change then we can go from there.
the current system?
does Brand want to take credit for a revolution without putting any work in?
I dont think Russell has claimed he is leading the revolution. He was simply asked why he doesnt vote, he encouraged others however to do the same if they want change. Im pretty sure hes not taking credit for anything.
Politics is all about views if you dont air your views its wasted not voting is wasting your view. If you dont vote and nothing changes dont complain because you havent done anything to either maintain the status quo or change the system.
but his and others views arent being represented so why vote? I love an analogy me... If Malky said in order to solve our wingers gap we are giving you the opportunity to decide who we sign... They are all rubbish though. a 34 year old from Altringham town, a 34 year old from Alfreton and a 34 year old from Airbus UK all as bad as eachother. The vote would be futile if you wanted none.
Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:52 pm
JONNY012697 wrote:RoathMagic wrote:JONNY012697 wrote:
so whos job is it then?
i dont know. Certainly not Russell Brand's. The nation has to wake up first and demand a change then we can go from there.
the current system?
does Brand want to take credit for a revolution without putting any work in?
I dont think Russell has claimed he is leading the revolution. He was simply asked why he doesnt vote, he encouraged others however to do the same if they want change. Im pretty sure hes not taking credit for anything.
Politics is all about views if you dont air your views its wasted not voting is wasting your view. If you dont vote and nothing changes dont complain because you havent done anything to either maintain the status quo or change the system.
but his and others views arent being represented so why vote? I love an analogy me... If Malky said in order to solve our wingers gap we are giving you the opportunity to decide who we sign... They are all rubbish though. a 34 year old from Altringham town, a 34 year old from Alfreton and a 34 year old from Airbus UK all as bad as eachother. The vote would be futile if you wanted none.
I dont see a lot wrong with our political system, the way our system is used is wrong. This country has neglected to teach its citizens how the system works apart from a few elite who use it for personal gain.
What this country does need to do is educate its population.
This current generation needs to pick itself up and stop blaming everything on other people take some responsibility and get involved, voting would be a start.