In Defence of Vincent Tan

In the interest of balance can I offer a defence of Vincent Tan in all of the goings on of late? To be fair, to do so would be a bit of a lonely voice but I always tend to look at both sides to get an even view.

In fairness VT committed the number one sin in football where, as owner, he dared to tell his manager how to win games. So is that indefensible? I have no doubt that he is not the first owner nor will he be the last to stick his nose in to what goes on over the white line. Let’s assume that this is true and he did actually do what everyone is saying.

Firstly, can I say that the biggest critics of his actions have been the national press. Well, come on, that is laughable. Yes I realise they are just filling columns but, really? The national press? How many England managers have faced the chop simply because they dared to pick a team that differed from the one the press decided on? It could be argued that the only reason that England have failed to win anything in practically living memory is because of the press deciding what the manager should do and putting him under massive pressure to fall in line. So to me, for the press to even comment on VT is beyond pot and kettle.

That in itself isn’t a defence as my title promised. What I would say is, VT’s biggest defence is he is very new to football. What he does, and what he is used to, is he gets a business. That business buys a load of stuff then sells that stuff and so on. At the end of the month VT looks at the balance sheet and says yes very good but buy more stuff and sell more. And so no. The rules are quite straight forward. They all follow business rules and an accountant makes sense of it all. This is the story of a very successful business man - Vincent Tan.

All of a sudden though he’s got himself in to a new “business” but this one doesn’t follow any of those business rules. In normal business you can, in reality, conclude that the more you invest, the more you make. Football isn’t like that though. Who was it that said “the best way to turn a rich man in to a poor man is through football”?

If anyone is looking to criticise the recruitment person at any football club, at this moment in time, then look no further than the guy at Real Madrid. His £100million on a broken Gareth Bale shadows anything any British club did. I’m not saying Bale was a bad buy, what I’m saying is football is unpredictable.

That is the game that VT will learn to either love or walk away from. He will learn that you cannot walk in to a casino, throw some cash on the crap table and then try to lecture the dice on how to land. Football is the same crap table, for an owner. You throw lots of good money on the crap table and hope something happens. Mostly though, for everyone, football is just a massive waste of money that will mostly just bring you lots of promise, anticipation, and then disappointment.
As an owner of a football club, the best you can do is throw your gamble on the table and just sit back and watch the horses come in, or not. The worst thing you can do is stick your nose in because that is the fastest and most perfect way of making sure you will lose. Even if the likes of Alex Ferguson bought a football club, guaranteed, if he stuck his nose in to the team then he will lose. On a match day the manager and his team is the football club. Everyone else is second place.

In my eyes VT has two choices. Either he accepts that the manger and the team are a no go zone or he spends a massive amount of money discovering that the manager and the team are a no go zone.

What we can’t do is blame him for not knowing this because he is very new to the mad game of football. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s tried to normalise it through his business eyes, it’s just football is nowhere near a normal business. Suits, accountants, smiles and handshakes do not score goals. Neither do the best footballers in the world. Teams win games. You f**k with that team, you lose.

Eureka,I've got it!!!!!

So what your saying is Tan is just another fan!!

How many fans on here do you know think they know better than the manager.

So simple really,thanks mate

What an excellent post. Best one on the whole debacle by a mile.

I salute you.

Not much of a defence -more an attack. Good work!

If you want the painting job, just ask

Like any owner he is right to ask what he is spending his money on although when asking technical questions he needs to trust his technical team.

My owner cant run a press, or work a mac, he cant design.etc he employs people that can and has to trust them to deliver.

If he doesnt think they are doing their job to the standard required then he is also within his rights to change that person.

Great post.

What an excellent post.

Something everyone should read.

I was fuming in the wake of the news moody had gone, screaming for "Tan out" not bothered by admitting that, but its when the storm calms, and when you read things like this, and also realise the press are full of shit you start to get a clearer more balanced view.

Thank for a great post

Most sensible and well written post on here for a while, should be made a sticky
Sensible answers too, HOWEVER experience tells me before page two it will be hijacked by the uneducated, who will end up have spats between each other,or the insults will fly. Sad but true, give the post there respect the post deserves, the replies don't have to agree but hey oh that's life.
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I agree from the Casino comparison onwards but have a few issues before this.

We are in the Premier and therefore we will be scrutinised by the national press rightly or wrongly, the last time I looked we are not a National team although we do have Malyasia on the shirt, I accept the analogy but I didn't see the press trying to pick the Cardiff team, getting ahead of ourselves methinks.

New to football, yes he is, he is also the man at the top of the tree and they don't usually get their hands dirty, if he bought a coffee shop, would he insist on making the coffee himself? Some would say that the rebrand was the move of a savvy businessman trying to raise the clubs profile in the far east, did he get that wrong as well.

Gareth Bale is a crock, you ought to work for the national press.

In the interest of balance can I offer a defence of Vincent Tan in all of the goings on of late? To be fair, to do so would be a bit of a lonely voice but I always tend to look at both sides to get an even view.

In fairness VT committed the number one sin in football where, as owner, he dared to tell his manager how to win games. So is that indefensible? I have no doubt that he is not the first owner nor will he be the last to stick his nose in to what goes on over the white line. Let’s assume that this is true and he did actually do what everyone is saying.

Firstly, can I say that the biggest critics of his actions have been the national press. Well, come on, that is laughable. Yes I realise they are just filling columns but, really? The national press? How many England managers have faced the chop simply because they dared to pick a team that differed from the one the press decided on? It could be argued that the only reason that England have failed to win anything in practically living memory is because of the press deciding what the manager should do and putting him under massive pressure to fall in line. So to me, for the press to even comment on VT is beyond pot and kettle.

That in itself isn’t a defence as my title promised. What I would say is, VT’s biggest defence is he is very new to football. What he does, and what he is used to, is he gets a business. That business buys a load of stuff then sells that stuff and so on. At the end of the month VT looks at the balance sheet and says yes very good but buy more stuff and sell more. And so no. The rules are quite straight forward. They all follow business rules and an accountant makes sense of it all. This is the story of a very successful business man - Vincent Tan.

All of a sudden though he’s got himself in to a new “business” but this one doesn’t follow any of those business rules. In normal business you can, in reality, conclude that the more you invest, the more you make. Football isn’t like that though. Who was it that said “the best way to turn a rich man in to a poor man is through football”?

If anyone is looking to criticise the recruitment person at any football club, at this moment in time, then look no further than the guy at Real Madrid. His £100million on a broken Gareth Bale shadows anything any British club did. I’m not saying Bale was a bad buy, what I’m saying is football is unpredictable.

That is the game that VT will learn to either love or walk away from. He will learn that you cannot walk in to a casino, throw some cash on the crap table and then try to lecture the dice on how to land. Football is the same crap table, for an owner. You throw lots of good money on the crap table and hope something happens. Mostly though, for everyone, football is just a massive waste of money that will mostly just bring you lots of promise, anticipation, and then disappointment.
As an owner of a football club, the best you can do is throw your gamble on the table and just sit back and watch the horses come in, or not. The worst thing you can do is stick your nose in because that is the fastest and most perfect way of making sure you will lose. Even if the likes of Alex Ferguson bought a football club, guaranteed, if he stuck his nose in to the team then he will lose. On a match day the manager and his team is the football club. Everyone else is second place.

In my eyes VT has two choices. Either he accepts that the manger and the team are a no go zone or he spends a massive amount of money discovering that the manager and the team are a no go zone.

What we can’t do is blame him for not knowing this because he is very new to the mad game of football. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s tried to normalise it through his business eyes, it’s just football is nowhere near a normal business. Suits, accountants, smiles and handshakes do not score goals. Neither do the best footballers in the world. Teams win games. You f**k with that team, you lose.

Berwyn, you can't defend what he's done, mate.

StT.

What an excellent post.

Something everyone should read.

I was fuming in the wake of the news moody had gone, screaming for "Tan out" not bothered by admitting that, but its when the storm calms, and when you read things like this, and also realise the press are full of shit you start to get a clearer more balanced view.

Thank for a great post

the press didnt sack Moody.............he was appointed by our manager......and its obvious that he was not dismissed by our manager...........be a great idea if Tan read a little.......Fergies book,and views of the importance of harmony with backroom staff would be a great start.................

In the interest of balance .....

Berwyn, you can't defend what he's done, mate.

StT.

Steve, I don't think I want to defend the way in which he treated Moody. What I offered was an alternative view on what happens when a business man ventures in to football.

Regarding the way in which staff at the club are treated, it's appalling, past and present. Moody is just the latest in a long line of staff that have been crapped on. Recently I sent some jokey txts to some working at the club, and the silence back from them tells me they are scared to even joke about what's going on. I myself had the best part of 10 years where you go in every day wondering if that day is your last and it seems nothing has changed for the people working there now.

What does make me laugh though regards the colour change (now for the record I don't really care what colour we play in), was the fact that the word "lucky" was used. If VT believes in luck then he also believes in karma. If that's the case don't worry about lucky colours, worry about all the bad karma the club is sending around. When you crap on people at the rate of knots that CCFC does past and present, it is little wonder why things tend to always go tits up.

Why would anyone want to try and defend the indefendable?
Tan out , its the only way forward

Why would anyone want to try and defend the indefendable?
Tan out , its the only way forward

youve got millions in the back then?

happy days Bluebird64 for our new owner

"Steve, I don't think I want to defend the way in which he treated Moody. What I offered was an alternative view on what happens when a business man ventures in to football."

Berwyn, we have much in common though I can't embrace the red and new badge. That apart in business life today I don't disagree. There are some daft people about. That daft people, who know absolutely nothing about football, can control a football club is alarming. This Fit and Proper Persons' test seems most ineffective to me as it allows those who only sees a club as a brand, like sardine canning factory in downtown KL. I even don't have a problem with Tan making a bit out of City but his modus operandi is gross. He sees a Welsh institution as no more than a walking advertisement for his Malaysian/Chinese homeland and subsequently rapes our Club's traditions and heritage. How can this be allowed to happen by the footballing authorities? It's not that he's got loads of money, perhaps some would say too much, but it has cocooned him away from people: both employees and fans. They are seen as units not flesh and blood. Therefore wealth causes many of those who have it to treat people disgracefully. What is it now? How many has he actually sacked? Financially we are many times worse off than under Sam. Its just people never grasped what was happening. I also never felt it was in the Malaysian's plans to convert his loans (nb: not investment) to equity.

"Regarding the way in which staff at the club are treated, it's appalling, past and present. Moody is just the latest in a long line of staff that have been crapped on. Recently I sent some jokey texts to some working at the club, and the silence back from them tells me they are scared to even joke about what's going on. I myself had the best part of 10 years where you go in every day wondering if that day is your last and it seems nothing has changed for the people working there now."

Yes, Mr Tan seems to me to be an insecure individual who has to have his own way in everything. Sadly he has the money to enforce that. He doesn't identify with anyone, only money and making money. A simple question makes the point. Who would you prefer to work for: a firm led by Malky or Tan?

"What does make me laugh though regards the colour change (now for the record I don't really care what colour we play in), was the fact that the word "lucky" was used. If VT believes in luck then he also believes in karma. If that's the case don't worry about lucky colours, worry about all the bad karma the club is sending around. When you crap on people at the rate of knots that CCFC does past and present, it is little wonder why things tend to always go tits up."

When Tan took over I was extremely concerned for the Club, the Club I had supported for over 50 years. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea on here, (pun intended) but I don't mind stating publically that I am a Christian, and perhaps I come to this issue from a slightly different perspective. Yes, that Tan has so raped our Club is hurtful, but I also have other matters which concern me. Initially all people could see were dollar signs rolling up to CCS but very few cottoned on to what I was saying. Sadly, it has taken the passage of over 2 years for what I said to manifest itself. But, "as sure as eggs is eggs," it was coming down the railtrack. That division and discord, of which I was talking, is now plainly out in the open for all to see. Tan's Chinese background of superstition and the occult would only ever result in this discord and division. The subsequent events have been tragic in the extreme. That he thinks wearing red, sprinkling rice on the pitch and having a dragon on our badge will in anyway aid the results on the pitch is crazy. To see him preening himself last season by doing his lap of honour before even Malky or the players was sickening. Furthermore, to think that after spending £30m in the transfer market we should be in the top four is surreal. To have a brain like this at the helm of my Club is beyond words. The Lord only knows what other beliefs he has. Clearly there is no such thing as luck but to have taken Tan's thinking to it's logical conclusion: had Man U played in blue this last 20 years then they would not have been successful. Had Durban's inglorious reign at City embraced red then we would have have success. Crazy. I have no personal animosity to the bloke but the sooner he goes the better.

It was a very sad day when TG left.

StT.

cant defend tan at all , making this club a joke , does anybody do painting because tan is looking for these expert people to run the club

A superb post, well thought out balanced and fair. Thank you.

Why would anyone want to try and defend the indefendable?
Tan out , its the only way forward

youve got millions in the back then?

happy days Bluebird64 for our new owner

Johnny, you are attacking the wrong person mate. Tan is everything that you do not want in an owner and the sooner he leaves the better. Tan out, you know it makes sense.

Why would anyone want to try and defend the indefendable?
Tan out , its the only way forward

youve got millions in the back then?

happy days Bluebird64 for our new owner

Johnny, you are attacking the wrong person mate. Tan is everything that you do not want in an owner and the sooner he leaves the better. Tan out, you know it makes sense.

just makes me laugh that people think we actually have a choice in the matter

scream Tan out till the cows come home but hes not an elected official he owns the club and until he gets bored he will remain the owner same as the majority of football clubs

Let's hope he gets bored soon then.

In the interest of balance can I offer a defence of Vincent Tan in all of the goings on of late? To be fair, to do so would be a bit of a lonely voice but I always tend to look at both sides to get an even view.

In fairness VT committed the number one sin in football where, as owner, he dared to tell his manager how to win games. So is that indefensible? I have no doubt that he is not the first owner nor will he be the last to stick his nose in to what goes on over the white line. Let’s assume that this is true and he did actually do what everyone is saying.

Firstly, can I say that the biggest critics of his actions have been the national press. Well, come on, that is laughable. Yes I realise they are just filling columns but, really? The national press? How many England managers have faced the chop simply because they dared to pick a team that differed from the one the press decided on? It could be argued that the only reason that England have failed to win anything in practically living memory is because of the press deciding what the manager should do and putting him under massive pressure to fall in line. So to me, for the press to even comment on VT is beyond pot and kettle.

That in itself isn’t a defence as my title promised. What I would say is, VT’s biggest defence is he is very new to football. What he does, and what he is used to, is he gets a business. That business buys a load of stuff then sells that stuff and so on. At the end of the month VT looks at the balance sheet and says yes very good but buy more stuff and sell more. And so no. The rules are quite straight forward. They all follow business rules and an accountant makes sense of it all. This is the story of a very successful business man - Vincent Tan.

All of a sudden though he’s got himself in to a new “business” but this one doesn’t follow any of those business rules. In normal business you can, in reality, conclude that the more you invest, the more you make. Football isn’t like that though. Who was it that said “the best way to turn a rich man in to a poor man is through football”?

If anyone is looking to criticise the recruitment person at any football club, at this moment in time, then look no further than the guy at Real Madrid. His £100million on a broken Gareth Bale shadows anything any British club did. I’m not saying Bale was a bad buy, what I’m saying is football is unpredictable.

That is the game that VT will learn to either love or walk away from. He will learn that you cannot walk in to a casino, throw some cash on the crap table and then try to lecture the dice on how to land. Football is the same crap table, for an owner. You throw lots of good money on the crap table and hope something happens. Mostly though, for everyone, football is just a massive waste of money that will mostly just bring you lots of promise, anticipation, and then disappointment.
As an owner of a football club, the best you can do is throw your gamble on the table and just sit back and watch the horses come in, or not. The worst thing you can do is stick your nose in because that is the fastest and most perfect way of making sure you will lose. Even if the likes of Alex Ferguson bought a football club, guaranteed, if he stuck his nose in to the team then he will lose. On a match day the manager and his team is the football club. Everyone else is second place.

In my eyes VT has two choices. Either he accepts that the manger and the team are a no go zone or he spends a massive amount of money discovering that the manager and the team are a no go zone.

What we can’t do is blame him for not knowing this because he is very new to the mad game of football. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s tried to normalise it through his business eyes, it’s just football is nowhere near a normal business. Suits, accountants, smiles and handshakes do not score goals. Neither do the best footballers in the world. Teams win games. You f**k with that team, you lose.

Berwyn, you can't defend what he's done, mate.

StT.

his biggest defence is that he is new to football................hmmmm.......he has come into football and in a very short time has come to the conclusion that he is an expert...........arrogance im afraid isnt a defence

In the interest of balance can I offer a defence of Vincent Tan in all of the goings on of late? To be fair, to do so would be a bit of a lonely voice but I always tend to look at both sides to get an even view.

In fairness VT committed the number one sin in football where, as owner, he dared to tell his manager how to win games. So is that indefensible? I have no doubt that he is not the first owner nor will he be the last to stick his nose in to what goes on over the white line. Let’s assume that this is true and he did actually do what everyone is saying.

Firstly, can I say that the biggest critics of his actions have been the national press. Well, come on, that is laughable. Yes I realise they are just filling columns but, really? The national press? How many England managers have faced the chop simply because they dared to pick a team that differed from the one the press decided on? It could be argued that the only reason that England have failed to win anything in practically living memory is because of the press deciding what the manager should do and putting him under massive pressure to fall in line. So to me, for the press to even comment on VT is beyond pot and kettle.

That in itself isn’t a defence as my title promised. What I would say is, VT’s biggest defence is he is very new to football. What he does, and what he is used to, is he gets a business. That business buys a load of stuff then sells that stuff and so on. At the end of the month VT looks at the balance sheet and says yes very good but buy more stuff and sell more. And so no. The rules are quite straight forward. They all follow business rules and an accountant makes sense of it all. This is the story of a very successful business man - Vincent Tan.

All of a sudden though he’s got himself in to a new “business” but this one doesn’t follow any of those business rules. In normal business you can, in reality, conclude that the more you invest, the more you make. Football isn’t like that though. Who was it that said “the best way to turn a rich man in to a poor man is through football”?

If anyone is looking to criticise the recruitment person at any football club, at this moment in time, then look no further than the guy at Real Madrid. His £100million on a broken Gareth Bale shadows anything any British club did. I’m not saying Bale was a bad buy, what I’m saying is football is unpredictable.

That is the game that VT will learn to either love or walk away from. He will learn that you cannot walk in to a casino, throw some cash on the crap table and then try to lecture the dice on how to land. Football is the same crap table, for an owner. You throw lots of good money on the crap table and hope something happens. Mostly though, for everyone, football is just a massive waste of money that will mostly just bring you lots of promise, anticipation, and then disappointment.
As an owner of a football club, the best you can do is throw your gamble on the table and just sit back and watch the horses come in, or not. The worst thing you can do is stick your nose in because that is the fastest and most perfect way of making sure you will lose. Even if the likes of Alex Ferguson bought a football club, guaranteed, if he stuck his nose in to the team then he will lose. On a match day the manager and his team is the football club. Everyone else is second place.

In my eyes VT has two choices. Either he accepts that the manger and the team are a no go zone or he spends a massive amount of money discovering that the manager and the team are a no go zone.

What we can’t do is blame him for not knowing this because he is very new to the mad game of football. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s tried to normalise it through his business eyes, it’s just football is nowhere near a normal business. Suits, accountants, smiles and handshakes do not score goals. Neither do the best footballers in the world. Teams win games. You f**k with that team, you lose.

Berwyn, you can't defend what he's done, mate.

StT.

his biggest defence is that he is new to football................hmmmm.......he has come into football and in a very short time has come to the conclusion that he is an expert...........arrogance im afraid isnt a defence

We're ALL 'experts' in our own minds. That's football for you...