' Next five fixtures '

So as we stand 8 pts from 8 games

Next five fixtures are

Norwich (A) win
Swansea (H) win
Aston villa (A) draw
Man utd (H) draw
Arsenal (H) lose

Based on my post earlier entitled bottom. 3 I mentioned needing 4/6 points to teams in and around us I consider Norwich one of those teams and arguably Aston villa

I would like to see us take the results marked next to each game but I believe realistically we will achieve the following

Norwich draw
Swansea draw
Villa win
Utd lose
Arsenal lose

I believe 5 from 15 is a bare minimum from these game which would be 13 pts from 13 games arguably keepin us on target where as what I would like 8 pts from those 5 games would be 16 pts and a better outlook IMO

What's everyone's thoughts?

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... up-6210635

"Swansea City boss Michael Laudrup delighted to halt poor run of home form"

And Laudrup was delighted that his side's barren league run at the Liberty had come to an end.

''We can say we've played against three top teams [Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal] but when people start to talk about no home wins the only way to stop it is by winning,'' he said.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-boss-michael-laudrup-6210635

"Swansea City boss Michael Laudrup delighted to halt poor run of home form"

And Laudrup was delighted that his side's barren league run at the Liberty had come to an end.

''We can say we've played against three top teams [Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal] but when people start to talk about no home wins the only way to stop it is by winning,'' he said.

Im not sure what you have quoted there and how it resonates to your point.

We are ahead of where we were last year in our greatest season in our history.

If we get result's from 2 of those it could gain us 2-6 point's my thinking is it will be the lower end.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

Get real will you.

Most of your points have come from the weakest teams in the premier for starters, Sunderland and Palace. The only creditable score you have had this season is West Brom.

Your European episode has been against a Spanish team more struggling than the 2 premier ones mentioned above and the rest are a lot better at herding cattle than playing football. Its why its called the mickey mouse competition.

So as we stand 8 pts from 8 games

Next five fixtures are

Norwich (A) win
Swansea (H) win
Aston villa (A) draw
Man utd (H) draw
Arsenal (H) lose

Based on my post earlier entitled bottom. 3 I mentioned needing 4/6 points to teams in and around us I consider Norwich one of those teams and arguably Aston villa

I would like to see us take the results marked next to each game but I believe realistically we will achieve the following

Norwich draw
Swansea draw
Villa win
Utd lose
Arsenal lose

I believe 5 from 15 is a bare minimum from these game which would be 13 pts from 13 games arguably keepin us on target where as what I would like 8 pts from those 5 games would be 16 pts and a better outlook IMO

What's everyone's thoughts?

I'm not expecting a win against any of these. I will be delighted with the first 3 games being draws. We could pull of a surprise by getting a draw against Man U if they continue the way they are at the moment.

3 points will do me.

Norwich (A) draw
Swansea (H) win
Aston villa (A) lose
Man utd (H) draw
Arsenal (H) lose

5 points I'll take that.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

Get real will you.

Most of your points have come from the weakest teams in the premier for starters, Sunderland and Palace. The only creditable score you have had this season is West Brom.

Your European episode has been against a Spanish team more struggling than the 2 premier ones mentioned above and the rest are a lot better at herding cattle than playing football. Its why its called the mickey mouse competition.

wow. Where to start with this pearler...... Ill split my answer into two parts.

1) At this stage last season we had 11 points 1 more than we have this season. The fixtures we had last year and this year will be split as follows.. Left - last year, right - this year.

QPR.................... Man United
West Ham............ Tottenham
Sunderland........... WBA
Villa................... Liverpool
Everton............... Palace
Stoke................. Arsenal
Reading.............. Southampton
Wigan.................. Sunderland

It doesnt take a genius to say that aquiring 1pt less in the second set of fixtures in direct comparison to the first is a superb achievement.

2) our points comparison when facing direct competition. Same format, left last season, right this season. I will have to adapt any teams not here last season by last years newly promoted sides in their respective promotion positions.

Man United (h) 0pts - 0pts
Tottenham (a) 0pts - 0pts
WBA (a) 0pts - 3pts
Liverpool (h) 1pt - 1pt
Palace (a) * this years play off winners swapped with last seasons play off winners West Ham. 0pts - 3pts
Arsenal (h) 0pts - 0pts
Southampton (a) 1pt - 0pts
Sunderland (h) 3pts - 3pts

So as you can see last year, which was our most successful in our history, we picked up 8 points against the teams we have faced so far this season. This season we are ahead of that rate by picking up 10. And top our European group including Valencia with a perfect 2 from 2.

10 points in the bag

Nor loss
swan loss
vil loss
Utd loss
ars loss

this could easily happen and tan would sack malky with the fans blessing.

We could easily lose 4 out of 5 of those fixtures. Norwich away is a tough place to go, The Jacks are an established Prem team whatever anyone says and will test us to the Max - villa away with Benteke back and Man U won't be as bad as they are now for long...... Hope I'm wrong

love it how in denial the jacks are. this season is gonna be a mare for them, a relegation battle at the very least.

love it how in denial the jacks are. this season is gonna be a mare for them, a relegation battle at the very least.

There is nothing to deny. The facts speak for themselves. We are 2 points up on our corresponding fixtures from last year sit in 11th place with a hard run out of the way and sot top of our european group

Just cant see where the goals will come from.We didnt get in a goalscorer this summer.Hopefully the damage Moody did wont haunt us.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

Get real will you.

Most of your points have come from the weakest teams in the premier for starters, Sunderland and Palace. The only creditable score you have had this season is West Brom.

Your European episode has been against a Spanish team more struggling than the 2 premier ones mentioned above and the rest are a lot better at herding cattle than playing football. Its why its called the mickey mouse competition.

West Brom were in a mess when they played Swansea, with a load of injuries and struggling to create chances.

However it's far to easly to judge any side properly. Both oursleves and Swansea have had very tough starts. I think it will be Christmas before we can really see where we stand. The evidence so far seems to point toward Swansea being able to put the poorer sides away and thus get enough points to be safe easily. We missed a few opportunities to take points v Hull, Newcastle and West Ham, all of which will be bottom half teams.

2 wins form the next two games and things will look a lot brighter.

Personally I don't think we are a bad side, it's a tough league but we should still be OK.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

Get real will you.

Most of your points have come from the weakest teams in the premier for starters, Sunderland and Palace. The only creditable score you have had this season is West Brom.

Your European episode has been against a Spanish team more struggling than the 2 premier ones mentioned above and the rest are a lot better at herding cattle than playing football. Its why its called the mickey mouse competition.

wow. Where to start with this pearler...... Ill split my answer into two parts.

1) At this stage last season we had 11 points 1 more than we have this season. The fixtures we had last year and this year will be split as follows.. Left - last year, right - this year.

QPR.................... Man United
West Ham............ Tottenham
Sunderland........... WBA
Villa................... Liverpool
Everton............... Palace
Stoke................. Arsenal
Reading.............. Southampton
Wigan.................. Sunderland

It doesnt take a genius to say that aquiring 1pt less in the second set of fixtures in direct comparison to the first is a superb achievement.

2) our points comparison when facing direct competition. Same format, left last season, right this season. I will have to adapt any teams not here last season by last years newly promoted sides in their respective promotion positions.

Man United (h) 0pts - 0pts
Tottenham (a) 0pts - 0pts
WBA (a) 0pts - 3pts
Liverpool (h) 1pt - 1pt
Palace (a) * this years play off winners swapped with last seasons play off winners West Ham. 0pts - 3pts
Arsenal (h) 0pts - 0pts
Southampton (a) 1pt - 0pts
Sunderland (h) 3pts - 3pts

So as you can see last year, which was our most successful in our history, we picked up 8 points against the teams we have faced so far this season. This season we are ahead of that rate by picking up 10. And top our European group including Valencia with a perfect 2 from 2.

Hate to tell you this as your posts today seem a lot more measured than usual, but....

In league terms (and it IS league points you are looking at) last year wasn't the most successful in your history. Toshack's 6th place team were.

9th and a Major Cup win is more successful than 6th place in my eyes.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

Get real will you.

Most of your points have come from the weakest teams in the premier for starters, Sunderland and Palace. The only creditable score you have had this season is West Brom.

Your European episode has been against a Spanish team more struggling than the 2 premier ones mentioned above and the rest are a lot better at herding cattle than playing football. Its why its called the mickey mouse competition.

wow. Where to start with this pearler...... Ill split my answer into two parts.

1) At this stage last season we had 11 points 1 more than we have this season. The fixtures we had last year and this year will be split as follows.. Left - last year, right - this year.

QPR.................... Man United
West Ham............ Tottenham
Sunderland........... WBA
Villa................... Liverpool
Everton............... Palace
Stoke................. Arsenal
Reading.............. Southampton
Wigan.................. Sunderland

It doesnt take a genius to say that aquiring 1pt less in the second set of fixtures in direct comparison to the first is a superb achievement.

2) our points comparison when facing direct competition. Same format, left last season, right this season. I will have to adapt any teams not here last season by last years newly promoted sides in their respective promotion positions.

Man United (h) 0pts - 0pts
Tottenham (a) 0pts - 0pts
WBA (a) 0pts - 3pts
Liverpool (h) 1pt - 1pt
Palace (a) * this years play off winners swapped with last seasons play off winners West Ham. 0pts - 3pts
Arsenal (h) 0pts - 0pts
Southampton (a) 1pt - 0pts
Sunderland (h) 3pts - 3pts

So as you can see last year, which was our most successful in our history, we picked up 8 points against the teams we have faced so far this season. This season we are ahead of that rate by picking up 10. And top our European group including Valencia with a perfect 2 from 2.

My God you are in one of your "I was bullied at school and I'm fighting back moods today".

You cannot compare last season to this season. You have to look at today not yesterday because yesterday has gone.

Today Man U can't win at all, yesterday no one would bet against them winning. Man U stuffed you yet everyone else are taking points off them.

You have taken points off teams everyone has taken. Teams we are yet to play.

the reality is your success this season has come against crap teams so stop trying to divert from that fact.

9th and a Major Cup win is more successful than 6th place in my eyes.

Major cup but the season before it was not worth looking at. Yuor fans words not ours.

Our most probable win from this group is our easiest home game, the jacks.
There seems to have been clear relief from their manager that they were able to beat the bottom club at home.
I think that illustrates the concern down there at the moment.

are you serious or just looking for bites?

We are ahead of where we were this time last year (when we finished 9th) with MUCH harder fixtures, lie in 11th place and top our European group

Where exactly is this concern of which you speak?

Get real will you.

Most of your points have come from the weakest teams in the premier for starters, Sunderland and Palace. The only creditable score you have had this season is West Brom.

Your European episode has been against a Spanish team more struggling than the 2 premier ones mentioned above and the rest are a lot better at herding cattle than playing football. Its why its called the mickey mouse competition.

wow. Where to start with this pearler...... Ill split my answer into two parts.

1) At this stage last season we had 11 points 1 more than we have this season. The fixtures we had last year and this year will be split as follows.. Left - last year, right - this year.

QPR.................... Man United
West Ham............ Tottenham
Sunderland........... WBA
Villa................... Liverpool
Everton............... Palace
Stoke................. Arsenal
Reading.............. Southampton
Wigan.................. Sunderland

It doesnt take a genius to say that aquiring 1pt less in the second set of fixtures in direct comparison to the first is a superb achievement.

2) our points comparison when facing direct competition. Same format, left last season, right this season. I will have to adapt any teams not here last season by last years newly promoted sides in their respective promotion positions.

Man United (h) 0pts - 0pts
Tottenham (a) 0pts - 0pts
WBA (a) 0pts - 3pts
Liverpool (h) 1pt - 1pt
Palace (a) * this years play off winners swapped with last seasons play off winners West Ham. 0pts - 3pts
Arsenal (h) 0pts - 0pts
Southampton (a) 1pt - 0pts
Sunderland (h) 3pts - 3pts

So as you can see last year, which was our most successful in our history, we picked up 8 points against the teams we have faced so far this season. This season we are ahead of that rate by picking up 10. And top our European group including Valencia with a perfect 2 from 2.

Hate to tell you this as your posts today seem a lot more measured than usual, but....

In league terms (and it IS league points you are looking at) last year wasn't the most successful in your history. Toshack's 6th place team were.

He is just using facts to suit his agenda/argument instead of looking at the reality of things that are playing out today.

[quote="phildavies"]Norwich (A) draw
Swansea (H) win
Aston villa (A) lose
Man utd (H) draw
Arsenal (H) lose

5 points I'll take that.[/quote

Agree . A point a game average is a decent return . If we can stay in touch until dec, when on paper, the fixtures do seem to get easier , I am confident of kicking on a bit

He is just using facts to suit his agenda/argument instead of looking at the reality of things that are playing out today.

You continue to amaze Ian. Criticizing an opinion for basing it on facts

Ill take it on boar though and ill just make it all up next time and base it on nothing. Jesus Christ

9th and a Major Cup win is more successful than 6th place in my eyes.

It may well be that, however the whole discussion is based on league points and position so the Cup win however important that may appear in your eyes (although it was a meaningless competition when we were in the final ) is of no relevance at all here.

9th and a Major Cup win is more successful than 6th place in my eyes.

It may well be that, however the whole discussion is based on league points and position so the Cup win however important that may appear in your eyes (although it was a meaningless competition when we were in the final ) is of no relevance at all here.

Whether you class last season as our best or second best in our history doesn't really make much difference does it.

The fact being if we are having a similar year this year to our best/2nd best season in our entire history, then its ludicrous to suggest it is anything but excellent.

The league cup is always and has always been a great cup to win and ive never said any different.

Last edited by RoathMagic on Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

He is just using facts to suit his agenda/argument instead of looking at the reality of things that are playing out today.

You continue to amaze Ian. Criticizing an opinion for basing it on facts

Ill take it on boar though and ill just make it all up next time and base it on nothing. Jesus Christ

Where the facts suits you. Take the facts that don't suit you, those that I have stated and you conveniently divert from.

And you wonder why people call you a troll.

9th and a Major Cup win is more successful than 6th place in my eyes.

It may well be that, however the whole discussion is based on league points and position so the Cup win however important that may appear in your eyes (although it was a meaningless competition when we were in the final ) is of no relevance at all here.

Whether you class last season as our best or second best in our history doesn't really make much difference does it.

The fact being if we are having a similar year this year then its ludicrous to suggest it is anything but excellent.

It does as it invalidates your statement. Why bring it up in the first place if it's incorrect.
By the way a similar year and similar points total will most likely mean a lower place finish.

He is just using facts to suit his agenda/argument instead of looking at the reality of things that are playing out today.

You continue to amaze Ian. Criticizing an opinion for basing it on facts

Ill take it on boar though and ill just make it all up next time and base it on nothing. Jesus Christ

Where the facts suits you. Take the facts that don't suit you, those that I have stated and you conveniently divert from.

And you wonder why people call you a troll.

I responded to those facts Ian, i gave you a 2 fold answer. One comparing broadly this year to last, and another addressing your point regarding opposition.

The only person trolling on this thread at the moment is you my good sir.

9th and a Major Cup win is more successful than 6th place in my eyes.

It may well be that, however the whole discussion is based on league points and position so the Cup win however important that may appear in your eyes (although it was a meaningless competition when we were in the final ) is of no relevance at all here.

Whether you class last season as our best or second best in our history doesn't really make much difference does it.

The fact being if we are having a similar year this year to our best/2nd best season in our entire history, then its ludicrous to suggest it is anything but excellent.

The league cup is always and has always been a great cup to win and ive never said any different.

You beat teams last year that you have failed to beat this year. Top four teams as well like Arsenal. So how can you be doing better than last season.