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Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:18 am

Friday 18th October 2013.

Sam Hammam believes Malky Mackay would not walk out on Cardiff City because he owes the club for giving him the chance to be a Premier League manager.

Mackay was known to be upset at club owner Vincent Tan's decision to axe head of recruitment Iain Moody.
But Hammam, the club's life president, told BBC Wales' Sport Wales there is little chance of Mackay leaving.

"Malky knows that he is a gem. He had to be given the chance and he wasn't getting it at Watford," Hammam said.

"He had it here and he owes this club, he owes Vincent Tan, but we also owe him."

Former Watford manager Mackay met the club's board on Monday after the removal of Moody, who has been replaced by 23-year-old Alisher Apsalyamov.

The Kazakh was on work experience at the club in the summer and is a friend of owner Tan's son.
Although Mackay had been left "bemused" and "frustrated" according to his agent Raymond Sparkes, the Scotsman had no intention of stepping down as manager.
In a statement from the Cardiff board on Tuesday, the club said that transfer dealings will be conducted "subject to the manager's final approval".

Hammam oversaw Cardiff's rise from the bottom division to the Championship after buying the club in 2000, relinquishing control six years later to a consortium led by Peter Ridsdale.

But the Lebanese businessman was invited back as honorary life president in the summer after the club finally settled its long-standing debt with the Langston company he was a spokesman for.
Hammam insisted he understood fans' fears about what Tan might decide to do next at Cardiff.

But he said they had to trust in the Malaysian businessman, whose multi-million pound investment in the club helped deliver top-flight football for the first time in 51 years.
"The most important thing is we should see the forest from the trees and put things in perspective," former Wimbledon owner Hammam said.
"By and large Vincent Tan has been an excellent owner of the club... good servant, saved the club, put money in, expanded the stadium.
"He has given us a training ground, stabilised the finances. He has done dozens of great things."

Tan caused consternation among many Cardiff fans during the summer of 2012 after changing the club's colours from blue to red.

Asked whether fans should be worried that Tan might look to re-name the club, Hammam admitted: "Look let's not beat around the bush... this is an issue.

"We're blue and we're red, we're a Bluebird but we're a dragon and so on.
"This needs to be addressed and finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another."


For the full interview, watch Sport Wales on BBC Two Wales at 19:00 BST on Friday, 18 October.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:21 am

he's got a cheek, we owe Malky for taking us up, Hammam owes us for letting him back the snake,

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:26 am

I think Sam is being fairly honest, especially with what he says at the end, he says it how it is

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:26 am

I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:30 am

Malky owes this club and Tan absolutely nothing. He's been a stalwart servant through thick and thin over the last two years. If there's anyone at the club that can hold their head up high its him.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:33 am

Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:



Spot on Annis :thumbup:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:03 am

As I see it it's a team thing, everyone who has had any part in things as played a part, even Ridsdale who I hate with a passion.

Where Malky will be grateful to Tan I'm sure (and I think this may be where Sam is coming from) is VT and possibly more TG's influence, gave Malky the chance to use his skill and expertise to show his potential and hopefully become one of te greats.

They have backed him, given him the funds and in some way allowed him to flourish, and let's be honest, in this game there is a lot of luck involved, Alex Ferguson could have been sacked not made history if one more game had gone against him, we can all think of managers who have succeeded at one club but failed miserably at others.


I'm sure Malk will be grateful for the chance the Malaysians gave him, but I also think he will develop into one of football's great mangers and get to the position, if he isn't ther allready, wher he becomes more important than his employers, and they wind up needing and relying on him, more than he does on them.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:38 am

Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

You're right Annis, Malky owes us nothing.......but Sam says our identity needs to be 'addressed, finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another'. Presumably he means we either go back to the old badge and blue home strip, or that we continue as we are but remove the bluebird completely from the badge and change our name. I know which option would clear things up for Tan!

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:04 am

Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

Agreed Annis. I know he is your mate but it seems he has turned into Tan's puppet Chief :cry:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:13 am

Have to say the 'headline' made me think "Here we go!" but when I actually read it I found myself largely agreeing with Sam's comments :ayatollah:

The 'name change' comment is very worrying and that needs to be nipped in the bud now...not a year AFTER the decision has been taken like with the 'red/blue' issue :(

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:22 am

I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

Malky owes nothing. It is him and his team (including players) that have achieved Premier League status.

Admittedly Tan assisted with the funds but no one person can claim the glory and by the same token no one person should demand thanks.

Sam is off the meter on this. Get back to boardroom and keep quiet. :sleepy2: :sleepy2: :wave:

:ayatollah: :malky: :ayatollah:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:27 am

Gonzo wrote:Friday 18th October 2013.

Sam Hammam believes Malky Mackay would not walk out on Cardiff City because he owes the club for giving him the chance to be a Premier League manager.

Mackay was known to be upset at club owner Vincent Tan's decision to axe head of recruitment Iain Moody.
But Hammam, the club's life president, told BBC Wales' Sport Wales there is little chance of Mackay leaving.

"Malky knows that he is a gem. He had to be given the chance and he wasn't getting it at Watford," Hammam said.

"He had it here and he owes this club, he owes Vincent Tan, but we also owe him."

Former Watford manager Mackay met the club's board on Monday after the removal of Moody, who has been replaced by 23-year-old Alisher Apsalyamov.

The Kazakh was on work experience at the club in the summer and is a friend of owner Tan's son.
Although Mackay had been left "bemused" and "frustrated" according to his agent Raymond Sparkes, the Scotsman had no intention of stepping down as manager.
In a statement from the Cardiff board on Tuesday, the club said that transfer dealings will be conducted "subject to the manager's final approval".

Hammam oversaw Cardiff's rise from the bottom division to the Championship after buying the club in 2000, relinquishing control six years later to a consortium led by Peter Ridsdale.

But the Lebanese businessman was invited back as honorary life president in the summer after the club finally settled its long-standing debt with the Langston company he was a spokesman for.
Hammam insisted he understood fans' fears about what Tan might decide to do next at Cardiff.

But he said they had to trust in the Malaysian businessman, whose multi-million pound investment in the club helped deliver top-flight football for the first time in 51 years.
"The most important thing is we should see the forest from the trees and put things in perspective," former Wimbledon owner Hammam said.
"By and large Vincent Tan has been an excellent owner of the club... good servant, saved the club, put money in, expanded the stadium.
"He has given us a training ground, stabilised the finances. He has done dozens of great things."

Tan caused consternation among many Cardiff fans during the summer of 2012 after changing the club's colours from blue to red.

Asked whether fans should be worried that Tan might look to re-name the club, Hammam admitted: "Look let's not beat around the bush... this is an issue.

"We're blue and we're red, we're a Bluebird but we're a dragon and so on.
"This needs to be addressed and finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another."


For the full interview, watch Sport Wales on BBC Two Wales at 19:00 BST on Friday, 18 October.

wouldnt be surprised that sam is the one that told tan to get rid of moody ,sam already said in the summer our squad is no good :?:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:33 am

wez1927 wrote:Hammam admitted: "Look let's not beat around the bush... this is an issue


Is it? ...Mr T has promised us that no plans for name change...there again we all know, deep down, that Sam is miffed because Mr T stole the rebrand idea ... even the "Dragon" from HIM!

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:35 am

newboy wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Hammam admitted: "Look let's not beat around the bush... this is an issue


Is it? ...Mr T has promised us that no plans for name change...there again we all know, deep down, that Sam is miffed because Mr T stole the rebrand idea ... even the "Dragon" from HIM!

]Hammam admitted: "Look let's not beat around the bush... this is an issue i didnt write this very strange bit off editing from someone hmmmmm

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:41 am

Talking bollocks.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:24 am

Sam talking shit again. Malky owes us nothing, we owe him for taking us up into the Premier League.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:24 am

The name change will be a tipping point for what may turn out to be a signifant section of the fanbase, it will be for me with no current affiliation to any protest groups. The colour change has been tolerated for financial security, that's as far as it goes.

And Malky owes them nothing! :malky:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:59 am

The first time sam has said anything in public for ages and he comes out with this shite!!

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:54 am

sam and tan. :roll: CCFC :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:07 pm

what the fk does hammam know the useless c;;;;t. we have been held to ransom by him for years the robbing c''''t.
malky gets his right hand man replaced by a rich daddies boy who cant even fkg paint and he should be gratefull my fkg ass :oops:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:13 pm

Bellamy agreed with Sam :thumbup:

However I think this is based on how the question was put to him during the interview..

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:42 pm

I think that is a frank and pretty much spot on interview.

He said that Malky owed Tan but also we (as in the club) owed Malky so the headline is a bit misleading.

As gwyn said it was a team effort, had Tan not stabilised the club and given Malky the backing would we have got promoted? Unlikely if people are honest.

And the hideous rebrand aside I dont see how you can argue against this
"By and large Vincent Tan has been an excellent owner of the club... good servant, saved the club, put money in, expanded the stadium.
"He has given us a training ground, stabilised the finances. He has done dozens of great things."

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:43 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

Agreed Annis. I know he is your mate but it seems he has turned into Tan's puppet Chief :cry:


Nukes, Sam will never be anyones puppet, but yes he does agree with Tan on certain things and I totally disagree, but thats the beauty of different opinions/beliefs. :thumbup:

Sam knows my belief and opinion on Tan and I wont change for know one.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:44 pm

Deano1 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

You're right Annis, Malky owes us nothing.......but Sam says our identity needs to be 'addressed, finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another'. Presumably he means we either go back to the old badge and blue home strip, or that we continue as we are but remove the bluebird completely from the badge and change our name. I know which option would clear things up for Tan!


I wont go in to to much detail, but yes Sam is for our Blue :thumbup:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:51 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Deano1 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

You're right Annis, Malky owes us nothing.......but Sam says our identity needs to be 'addressed, finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another'. Presumably he means we either go back to the old badge and blue home strip, or that we continue as we are but remove the bluebird completely from the badge and change our name. I know which option would clear things up for Tan!


I wont go in to to much detail, but yes Sam is for our Blue :thumbup:

annis didnt sam ask you not to mention the blue topic in front of tan at some
function i maybe wrong. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:59 pm

sleepers wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Deano1 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

You're right Annis, Malky owes us nothing.......but Sam says our identity needs to be 'addressed, finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another'. Presumably he means we either go back to the old badge and blue home strip, or that we continue as we are but remove the bluebird completely from the badge and change our name. I know which option would clear things up for Tan!


I wont go in to to much detail, but yes Sam is for our Blue :thumbup:

annis didnt sam ask you not to mention the blue topic in front of tan at some
function i maybe wrong. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



Yes he did.

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:03 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
sleepers wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Deano1 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I have to disagree with Sam, if he thinks Malky owes Tan anything, in my mind Malky owes Tan nothing, Malky did a job for Cardiff City,Tan etc and the job was more than successful, in fact it should be Tan realising what a fantastic asset Malky is for our club. :thumbup:

Regarding our identity being stripped from us.
Your right Sam, it does need to be addressed, our identity needs to be returned ASAP :thumbup:

You're right Annis, Malky owes us nothing.......but Sam says our identity needs to be 'addressed, finalised and made clear to everyone, one way or another'. Presumably he means we either go back to the old badge and blue home strip, or that we continue as we are but remove the bluebird completely from the badge and change our name. I know which option would clear things up for Tan!


I wont go in to to much detail, but yes Sam is for our Blue :thumbup:

annis didnt sam ask you not to mention the blue topic in front of tan at some
function i maybe wrong. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



Yes he did.

sorry annis i know he a mate,but if he man who speaks his mind and is for us return to blue he should never of
asked to keep stum,it seems to me everyone on the board are to scared to shit unless he gives permission :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:03 pm

And Tan owns Sam

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:17 pm

And Scam should not be allowed anywhere near our football club. No morals whatsoever either his time at Cardiff or Wimbledon

Re: Boss Mackay 'owes' Cardiff - Hammam

Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:52 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:I think that is a frank and pretty much spot on interview.

He said that Malky owed Tan but also we (as in the club) owed Malky so the headline is a bit misleading.

As gwyn said it was a team effort, had Tan not stabilised the club and given Malky the backing would we have got promoted? Unlikely if people are honest.

And the hideous rebrand aside I dont see how you can argue against this
"By and large Vincent Tan has been an excellent owner of the club... good servant, saved the club, put money in, expanded the stadium.
"He has given us a training ground, stabilised the finances. He has done dozens of great things."


Stupid title for a report, spot on Mario.