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As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:12 pm

Should the club be providing us with what goes on behind closed doors ?
Does our entrance / Season ticket money entitle us to know how they manage the club ?

Let's get things into perspective , the club is being run like a business and they are providing a product too which we have choice to watch and support .

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:14 pm

The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:16 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:23 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players

So if we were bottom of the League, getting beat 5-0 every week, don't you think it would be nice to know who was responsible for our recruitment of players who might stop us losing 5-0 every week?

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:25 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players

load of shit!

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:38 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:


In fairness to Zeb he answered my question .

I assume by your reply that you believe by paying up your season ticket that the club should be providing you with what's going on behind closed doors ?

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:39 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players

this :ayatollah:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:47 pm

Dicey wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:


In fairness to Zeb he answered my question .

I assume by your reply that you believe by paying up your season ticket that the club should be providing you with what's going on behind closed doors ?


Decisions that affect the football side should be transparent to the fans, yes. :thumbup:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:48 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:

Don't be so moronic. Read my previous posts in threads. The manager is the only person who usually gets an explanation as to why they've left/been sacked because he's the main man at the club bar the owner/chairman etc.

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:48 pm

CalShepCCFC wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players

load of shit!

Not a load of shit at all. Be a bit weird forking out about 350 quid to find out whose employed by the club

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:49 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:

Don't be so moronic. Read my previous posts in threads. The manager is the only person who usually gets an explanation as to why they've left/been sacked because he's the main man at the club bar the owner/chairman etc.[/quote]

Not being moronic, your post said that you were only interested in the players... So going by that, you wouldn't be interested in Malky if he were suddenly sacked.. After all, he's not a player.

:thumbup:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:50 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:
CalShepCCFC wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players

load of shit!

Not a load of shit at all. Be a bit weird forking out about 350 quid to find out whose employed by the club

if it concerns the football side of things then yes we have the right to know!

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:55 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:

Don't be so moronic. Read my previous posts in threads. The manager is the only person who usually gets an explanation as to why they've left/been sacked because he's the main man at the club bar the owner/chairman etc.


Not being moronic, your post said that you were only interested in the players... So going by that, you wouldn't be interested in Malky if he were suddenly sacked.. After all, he's not a player.

:thumbup:[/quote]
Incorrect. the sacking of a manager would clearly be in public domain. The sacking of a head of recruitment staff or any other member of staff would had to be heavily researched etc. You clearly are being moronic as I would care about the sacking of the manager Clarkey. The players are the ones representing us, they're the ones we pay to see.

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:02 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:Incorrect. the sacking of a manager would clearly be in public domain. The sacking of a head of recruitment staff or any other member of staff would had to be heavily researched etc. You clearly are being moronic as I would care about the sacking of the manager Clarkey. The players are the ones representing us, they're the ones we pay to see.


But the manager isn't a player... So you're just proving yourself wrong. :lol:


Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


You don't pay to see the manager either, so going by your statement, you wouldn't be interested. :laughing5:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:Incorrect. the sacking of a manager would clearly be in public domain. The sacking of a head of recruitment staff or any other member of staff would had to be heavily researched etc. You clearly are being moronic as I would care about the sacking of the manager Clarkey. The players are the ones representing us, they're the ones we pay to see.


But the manager isn't a player... So you're just proving yourself wrong. :lol:


Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


You don't pay to see the manager either, so going by your statement, you wouldn't be interested. :laughing5:

Not proving myself wrong at all. The players represent us. The manager is a member of staff, a high placed one who manages the first team therefore we are entitled to find out about the manager. I'm not even going to bother anymore considering you repeat yourself, dig at everyones views rather than your own and continuously cry wolf. It's a shame, I'm open to anyones views yet you'll ram down your opinion down everyone elses throats and not accept another view stance

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:06 pm

Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:12 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:Not proving myself wrong at all. The players represent us. The manager is a member of staff, a high placed one who manages the first team therefore we are entitled to find out about the manager. I'm not even going to bother anymore considering you repeat yourself, dig at everyones views rather than your own and continuously cry wolf. It's a shame, I'm open to anyones views yet you'll ram down your opinion down everyone elses throats and not accept another view stance


You stated that you only pay to see the players, so would only be interested in the players....

Then you claim that you would be interested in manager too... Totally conflicting with your original post. :laughing6: :thumbup:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:14 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.


They do have to answer however to independent regulation bodies that assess their info and trade unions are often involved. Said trade unions then criticise companies to seek changes in the interest of the larger customer base.

No different from the Trust at Cardiff City. I think we as fans should show more faith in the Trust and there should be a massive shake up, price drop and then maybe something sensible would be done. Just a thought.

:old:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:16 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:Not proving myself wrong at all. The players represent us. The manager is a member of staff, a high placed one who manages the first team therefore we are entitled to find out about the manager. I'm not even going to bother anymore considering you repeat yourself, dig at everyones views rather than your own and continuously cry wolf. It's a shame, I'm open to anyones views yet you'll ram down your opinion down everyone elses throats and not accept another view stance


You stated that you only pay to see the players, so would only be interested in the players....

Then you claim that you would be interested in manager too... Totally conflicting with your original post. :laughing6: :thumbup:

So when you go to a football match you watch Tan and the board members fiddle with their thumbs?

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:18 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:So when you go to a football match you watch Tan and the board members fiddle with their thumbs?


What a ridiculous & pointless question. I notice you haven't answered mine yet though.

Your claim that "only pay to see the players" & therefore would only be interested in those, was suddenly contradicted by your post about the manager. :thumbup:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:26 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.

exactly...we dont need to know...we want to know as we are nosey buggars thats all :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:03 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Dicey wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:


In fairness to Zeb he answered my question .

I assume by your reply that you believe by paying up your season ticket that the club should be providing you with what's going on behind closed doors ?


Decisions that affect the football side should be transparent to the fans, yes. :thumbup:


That's a fair answer but where do they draw the line ? Should we know about players bonuses for example? Some may say that this could effect the players moral /performances.
As fans does it make us Stake holders within club ?

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:29 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.


Didn't realise you worked for a company Polo? Thought you were PR manager for Adam Brown :lol: :thumbup:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:32 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:So when you go to a football match you watch Tan and the board members fiddle with their thumbs?


What a ridiculous & pointless question. I notice you haven't answered mine yet though.

Your claim that "only pay to see the players" & therefore would only be interested in those, was suddenly contradicted by your post about the manager. :thumbup:

YOUR season ticket is for YOU to WATCH the team YOU have paid for.

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:33 pm

Zeb Colter wrote:YOUR season ticket is for YOU to WATCH the team YOU have paid for.


So, why would you be interested in the manager, if in your words, you only pay to see the players.

:laughing6:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:34 pm

Dicey wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
Dicey wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:The most we should know is what we see on the pitch. We don't pay to see whose the head of recruitment. We pay to see the players


So if Malky was sacked tomorrow, out of the blue, you wouldn't want to know why?! :lol:


In fairness to Zeb he answered my question .

I assume by your reply that you believe by paying up your season ticket that the club should be providing you with what's going on behind closed doors ?


Decisions that affect the football side should be transparent to the fans, yes. :thumbup:


That's a fair answer but where do they draw the line ? Should we know about players bonuses for example? Some may say that this could effect the players moral /performances.
As fans does it make us Stake holders within club ?

IMO we draw a line at managerial sackings/appointments as that deeply affects the team, the team we pay to see. No we shouldn't really know player bonuses etc as it shows we can easily get on players backs on things etc. And to the last point no, football is a hobby for us all. We choose to go to watch football, the club doesn't force us to hand over large amount of money. The club doesn't force us to travel the country to the away games. It's our own choice

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:35 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Zeb Colter wrote:YOUR season ticket is for YOU to WATCH the team YOU have paid for.


So, why would you be interested in the manager, if in your words, you only pay to see the players.

:laughing6:

Because the manager is part of the match day arrangements you moronic f**k tard

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:36 pm

DublinTaffpotato wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.


Didn't realise you worked for a company Polo? Thought you were PR manager for Adam Brown :lol: :thumbup:

:laughing6:

Not even Max Clifford would take that loopy c**t on. :lol:

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:38 pm

JBCCFC1927 wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.


They do have to answer however to independent regulation bodies that assess their info and trade unions are often involved. Said trade unions then criticise companies to seek changes in the interest of the larger customer base.

No different from the Trust at Cardiff City. I think we as fans should show more faith in the Trust and there should be a massive shake up, price drop and then maybe something sensible would be done. Just a thought.

:old:

Completely wrong but then youve never worked a day in your life so ill let you off 4 wheels.

Re: As fans , what are we entitled to know ?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:40 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
JBCCFC1927 wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Company I work for dont have to explain who they hire and fire to our customers.


They do have to answer however to independent regulation bodies that assess their info and trade unions are often involved. Said trade unions then criticise companies to seek changes in the interest of the larger customer base.

No different from the Trust at Cardiff City. I think we as fans should show more faith in the Trust and there should be a massive shake up, price drop and then maybe something sensible would be done. Just a thought.

:old:

Completely wrong but then youve never worked a day in your life so ill let you off 4 wheels.


first time ever I've used a smiley :lol: