Tan Expanding the Stadium?

I was wondering what the reasons would be for tan expanding the ground would be?
After this fiasco he ain't done himself any favours with the fans, so say worse case scenario we went on a bit of a bad run and fans turned against tan and tan decided to leave, would he ever even consider leaving after the money he's spent and after just expanding the stadium?
Or are there other reasons for expanding the stadium so it can make us a more attractive investment for future takeover bids?

I was wondering what the reasons would be for tan expanding the ground would be?
After this fiasco he ain't done himself any favours with the fans, so say worse case scenario we went on a bit of a bad run and fans turned against tan and tan decided to leave, would he ever even consider leaving after the money he's spent and after just expanding the stadium?
Or are there other reasons for expanding the stadium so it can make us a more attractive investment for future takeover bids?

This is where the confusion lies, Grange End Red. When you look at the infrastructure that has been and continues to be put in place since Tan's arrival it is difficult to see anything than his commitment to Cardiff City Football Club. However, it is then confused by some of his alledged antics off the field

My personal take on it is that Tan is a very shrewd buisnessman and knows exactly what he needs to do to start getting a return on his money, raise his profile in the Far East (which is his stated aim) and which raises (as it undoubtedly has) the profile of the club itself

Conversely, I think he has underestimated the passion and insularity of the clubs supporters; particularly where it comes to matters that involve radical change, i.e. the colour change and the removal of several individuals who (in fans minds at least) have contributed greatly to the club in recent years

Is he right?

On the infrastructure side, I would say he is

On the comunication side, I would say he has got it wrong

He is currently well on course to achieve his stated aims and IMHO that can only be good for Cardiff City FC; but on the flip-side he has hardly endeared himself to some supporters with his non-interactions and apparent arrogance when it comes to unilateral decision making; initially the move to red and continuing up to the recent Moody situation

Whether he was right or wrong is currently unknown (despite what some will claim to know otherwise) and there is nothing worse than rumour and conjecture to fuel those with their own agendas and unsettle the minds of those who cannot think for themselves or simply wait for the truth/facts to appear

Given what he has achieved to date, my take on it is that Vincent Tan is generally on the right lines and appears at least to want to take the club to the next level and should (for now at least) be given the benefit of doubt; even if that includes the changeover of staff if he thinks he can get better people in

Being totally honest, if I had invested c.£140m and was looking for a return on my investment, I think I would want a say in what happens at the club too!

For the recored: I support the return to blue and want Malky to stay

Given what he has achieved to date, my take on it is that Vincent Tan is generally on the right lines and appears at least to want to take the club to the next level and should (for now at least) be given the benefit of doubt; even if that includes the changeover of staff if he thinks he can get better people in

My thoughts exactly, Tan wants to take this business to another level and doesn't have faith in some of the management there at them moment they can achieve that. But football is like no other business which i don't think he has completely got his read round yet

I was wondering what the reasons would be for tan expanding the ground would be?
After this fiasco he ain't done himself any favours with the fans, so say worse case scenario we went on a bit of a bad run and fans turned against tan and tan decided to leave, would he ever even consider leaving after the money he's spent and after just expanding the stadium?
Or are there other reasons for expanding the stadium so it can make us a more attractive investment for future takeover bids?

This is where the confusion lies, Grange End Red. When you look at the infrastructure that has been and continues to be put in place since Tan's arrival it is difficult to see anything than his commitment to Cardiff City Football Club. However, it is then confused by some of his alledged antics off the field

My personal take on it is that Tan is a very shrewd buisnessman and knows exactly what he needs to do to start getting a return on his money, raise his profile in the Far East (which is his stated aim) and which raises (as it undoubtedly has) the profile of the club itself

Conversely, I think he has underestimated the passion and insularity of the clubs supporters; particularly where it comes to matters that involve radical change, i.e. the colour change and the removal of several individuals who (in fans minds at least) have contributed greatly to the club in recent years

Is he right?

On the infrastructure side, I would say he is

On the comunication side, I would say he has got it wrong

He is currently well on course to achieve his stated aims and IMHO that can only be good for Cardiff City FC; but on the flip-side he has hardly endeared himself to some supporters with his non-interactions and apparent arrogance when it comes to unilateral decision making; initially the move to red and continuing up to the recent Moody situation

Whether he was right or wrong is currently unknown (despite what some will claim to know otherwise) and there is nothing worse than rumour and conjecture to fuel those with their own agendas and unsettle the minds of those who cannot think for themselves or simply wait for the truth/facts to appear

Given what he has achieved to date, my take on it is that Vincent Tan is generally on the right lines and appears at least to want to take the club to the next level and should (for now at least) be given the benefit of doubt; even if that includes the changeover of staff if he thinks he can get better people in

Being totally honest, if I had invested c.£140m and was looking for a return on my investment, I think I would want a say in what happens at the club too!

For the recored: I support the return to blue and want Malky to stay

Good post that

Workmen already moochin about down the stadium carpark.

What seat colours gonna go in?

Does the capacity of the stadium increase its value? Or is the value just based on the land? With the improved infrastructure maybe it adds value to the club, and should he be thinking of selling us on to another owner make some profit?

Capacity of the stadium increase value. 5000 extra seats at say £400 per season ticket extra equals an extra £2m in income every season from tickets alone. Then you have to factor in that these people will buy food, possibly buy parking permits and merchandise which will all be factored in financial projections etc. with targets to be met.

If these tickets were all general sale at say £35 per ticket on average with 18 games that's £630 per season per extra seat. Multiply that figure by 5000 and you get £3.15m which is up on the £2m if you went the season ticket route. Of course this carries more risk as people may buy for the likes of Spurs but not Hull City, if we are in the Premier League next season.

I think the club will split it so it will cut the risk whilst earning a profit somewhere in between the £2m and £3.15m. Of course that is going to increase the value of the club as its income expected to come as part of the clubs overall turnover. With all sales on top of merchandise from these extra fans or food in the stadium and so on you could be looking at an extra £4-8m per season whilst demand is up.

I believe Tan is building us up to a club that makes money per month instead of losing it. Then he will have a better set of chips to bargain with when it comes to negotiation for a buyout. He's a clever man. If someone tried to buy us out now, with us losing money per month without Tan's investment, they would use that against him in any negotiations.

If the club is making money, i.e. self sufficient and doesn't need Tan to survive then of course it makes it a much more attractive acquisition.

If we are as true losing £1m per month or were without Tan's money thats £12m per year so as you can see the extra seats will cut into a hefty slice of that. Tan is I believe trying to balance the books before selling us off for a profit. Why is Tan angry we are not higher up? Its because for every extra position in the Premier League you are up you get another £0.5m in prize money at the end of the season. All of it helps into cutting into that deficit.

It could also be why he is shaking up the staff department.

All I hope is that Tan won't sell us to someone who has demanded these changes. I would not be surprised if these are all part of a pre-agreement with another investor (possibly an Asian consortium, possibly a company like Red Bull) whereby they have told him to make changes, turn around the fortunes and they will buy it out for XYZ amount of money on that basis etc. If he has invested £150m and they will buy the club for £200m then he's made £50m profit from his efforts.

It might also explain why he's so pissed off with the money being wasted on transfers i.e. Velikonja. Its £2m which of course seems small fry to Tan but it could be all eating into his profit margin if he has a non negotiable pre agreement.

I was wondering what the reasons would be for tan expanding the ground would be?
After this fiasco he ain't done himself any favours with the fans, so say worse case scenario we went on a bit of a bad run and fans turned against tan and tan decided to leave, would he ever even consider leaving after the money he's spent and after just expanding the stadium?
Or are there other reasons for expanding the stadium so it can make us a more attractive investment for future takeover bids?

This is where the confusion lies, Grange End Red. When you look at the infrastructure that has been and continues to be put in place since Tan's arrival it is difficult to see anything than his commitment to Cardiff City Football Club. However, it is then confused by some of his alledged antics off the field

My personal take on it is that Tan is a very shrewd buisnessman and knows exactly what he needs to do to start getting a return on his money, raise his profile in the Far East (which is his stated aim) and which raises (as it undoubtedly has) the profile of the club itself

Conversely, I think he has underestimated the passion and insularity of the clubs supporters; particularly where it comes to matters that involve radical change, i.e. the colour change and the removal of several individuals who (in fans minds at least) have contributed greatly to the club in recent years

Is he right?

On the infrastructure side, I would say he is

On the comunication side, I would say he has got it wrong

He is currently well on course to achieve his stated aims and IMHO that can only be good for Cardiff City FC; but on the flip-side he has hardly endeared himself to some supporters with his non-interactions and apparent arrogance when it comes to unilateral decision making; initially the move to red and continuing up to the recent Moody situation

Whether he was right or wrong is currently unknown (despite what some will claim to know otherwise) and there is nothing worse than rumour and conjecture to fuel those with their own agendas and unsettle the minds of those who cannot think for themselves or simply wait for the truth/facts to appear

Given what he has achieved to date, my take on it is that Vincent Tan is generally on the right lines and appears at least to want to take the club to the next level and should (for now at least) be given the benefit of doubt; even if that includes the changeover of staff if he thinks he can get better people in

Being totally honest, if I had invested c.£140m and was looking for a return on my investment, I think I would want a say in what happens at the club too!

For the recored: I support the return to blue and want Malky to stay

Good post Sven and these were my exact sentiment until this latest debacle.