SOME FACTS & IS THE SITUATION ANY CLEARER TONIGHT?

Are we better off this evening that we were this morning?

I thought the board meeting today would at least pave the way for us to move forward and try to put behind us this ridiculous situation that has embroiled the club over the past 7 days.

Up to the point of today's meeting the head of recruitment was placed on gardening leave which then set off a chain of events that has had the national press and critics rounding on the powers that be at Cardiff City football club.

The head of recruitment position has been passed into the hands of a youngster with no previous experience of such a task.

The agent of Malky Mackay gives a press statement ahead of the meeting that, to me anyway, sent a clear message to Vincent Tan regarding his manager Malky Mackay, if you no longer want him as manager then you are going to have to do what you need to do because Malky is not walking despite what has gone on.

Iain Moody was placed on gardening leave after Vincent Tan was allegedly given misinformation by his chief executive Simon Lim.

Embarrassingly for our current chief executive it would seem that Iain Moody has done no wrong doing and that has been proved by a paper trail.

Malky Mackay is said to still be fuming with what has gone on and understandably so.

Iain Moody has been paid up by the club for the remainder of his contract.

Why do I ask if we are better off this evening than we were before the meeting today?

For me Malky's position is untenable, he has had his right arm effectively chopped off and if for some bizarre reason Tan wants Malky to step down then quite simply he has to pay Malky's contract up, Malky through his agent has stated he has no intention of walking away and who can blame him, I wouldn't walk away from a job and its contract when my position was being undermined in such a manner.

Tonight Malky is still manager of the club and is being asked to work with the youngster from Kazakhstan, which I think it is safe to say he probably is not convinced is the right person for the task.

Now what about Simon Lim?

Simon Lim came to this club and took over, surprisingly, from Doug Lee as the finance director of the club.

He then became acting chairman of the club before taking on the role of chief executive.

As chief executive and finance director it is safe to say if anyone should know about the amount of money being spent on transfers, bonuses, agent fees and anything else related to a transfer of a player then this is the guy who should be fully aware.

This is the guy who signs the deal off, at our club Tan has the final say but it is Lim who signs the paperwork.

Tonight Simon Lim is still the chief executive of the football club.

So for myself I believe that Vincent Tan had to make a decision today to either stick with Malky or Lim, but not both.

Obviously I would prefer for Malky to be the one sticking around.

My opinion is that neither Malky or Lim will be with the club considerably longer, I feel that Tan will remove Lim and Malky will move on to pastures new at the right time for Malky.

I have nothing but sympathy for Malky Mackay throughout this crazy affair but will totally understand if he leaves the club for another team should the opportunity arise.

I am sure there will be a massive amount of support for Malky at Chelsea.

It a bizarre way this may aid us.

I can't comment on Ians Moodys effectiveness,I have no idea what he did. Gunnarson & Mutch Vrs Velijonka & Brayford a bit of a lottery......

But it may galvanise us the fans even more than the first three games. We have diplomatically not chanted pro blue or anti red/Tan chants ......... The gloves may come off now.. I think this is the turning point in the relationship with Tan

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

top post

If moody is now known to have done nothing wrong then why wasn't he reinstated or at least offered an apology and the chance to carry on?

Still many more questions than answers and the OP is still heavily based on opinion.

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

The full time role has allready been offered if a little birdie is right !

If moody is now known to have done nothing wrong then why wasn't he reinstated or at least offered an apology and the chance to carry on?

Still many more questions than answers and the OP is still heavily based on opinion.

Carl has stated "Iain Moody was placed on gardening leave

Code:

[code]after Vincent Tan was allegedly given misinformation by his chief executive Simon Lim.[/code]

"

I agree with you , but maybe not everybody knows this was misinformation (meaning Tan).

Carl knows about the more recent stuff from the club (if what I've read is true) , but you gotta remember the predicament he is in.

i wouldnt expect any january signings after wots gone on this week

If moody is now known to have done nothing wrong then why wasn't he reinstated or at least offered an apology and the chance to carry on?

Still many more questions than answers and the OP is still heavily based on opinion.

Carl has stated "Iain Moody was placed on gardening leave

Code:

[code]after Vincent Tan was allegedly given misinformation by his chief executive Simon Lim.[/code]

"

I agree with you , but maybe not everybody knows this was misinformation (meaning Tan).

Carl knows about the more recent stuff from the club (if what I've read is true) , but you gotta remember the predicament he is in.

I fucked that message and quoting thing right up !

I meant to say , Carl has made very good points and he knows more than most of us (probably more than the guy in the other thread say "Malky is gone"). So let's find out the facts from people like Carl etc first , then decide. I'm not saying we put up with any more shit , deffo not , but let's make sure we are doing the right thing !

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

The full time role has allready been offered if a little birdie is right !

The fixer

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

I said all this ages ago and got attacked vigorously for it glad its getting a better reception now

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

Even though I understand the points you are making, there is no way Malky would walk away from a lucrative contract and give the doubting Thomas' what they want.

Moody done nothing wrong, hence being fully paid up.

how on earth are we going to sign any new players? im not sure why malky has stayed, surely Tan needs to track back and if not take moody back then give the job to someone the manager recommends. surely this is basic common sense? Lim has to go to as everyone knows the buck stops with him. the worm has turned.

My opinion is this thing about MM leaving is all bulls**t and still stand by it.

how on earth are we going to sign any new players? im not sure why malky has stayed, surely Tan needs to track back and if not take moody back then give the job to someone the manager recommends. surely this is basic common sense? Lim has to go to as everyone knows the buck stops with him. the worm has turned.

Goats,I'm !00% sure why Malky has stayed for now, £1mill reason, would u with a family walk away from that? As soon as say Fulham come in for him, its goodbye Malky and who would blame him, I certainly would not, with a madman as a boss.

how on earth are we going to sign any new players? im not sure why malky has stayed, surely Tan needs to track back and if not take moody back then give the job to someone the manager recommends. surely this is basic common sense? Lim has to go to as everyone knows the buck stops with him. the worm has turned.

we still have a scouting network

we still have a manager

we still have a football club

how are we going to sign any new players

why has Malky stayed? simple reason jobs are very limited in football and I dont see many available positions at the moment

how on earth are we going to sign any new players? im not sure why malky has stayed, surely Tan needs to track back and if not take moody back then give the job to someone the manager recommends. surely this is basic common sense? Lim has to go to as everyone knows the buck stops with him. the worm has turned.

I am not sure if the Rambo story about him signing for Arsenal is true in that Arsene Wenger drove down to speak to him when United only sent Mike Phelen.....


We send Iain Moody........Who is he (in a scouse accent) ........... exactly

We can't sign anybody , we overspent in the summer.

how on earth are we going to sign any new players? im not sure why malky has stayed, surely Tan needs to track back and if not take moody back then give the job to someone the manager recommends. surely this is basic common sense? Lim has to go to as everyone knows the buck stops with him. the worm has turned.

I am not sure if the Rambo story about him signing for Arsenal is true in that Arsene Wenger drove down to speak to him when United only sent Mike Phelen.....


We send Iain Moody........Who is he (in a scouse accent) ........... exactly

We can't sign anybody , we overspent in the summer.

arsenal flew ramsey to meet wenger by private jet
utd had gary neville to meet ramsey at carrington. ridsdale told fergie ramsey was in the bag otherwise fergie would have made the effort to personally meet ramsey

Actually, the information you post here does make it clearer, as many of us were unsure if Moody had or had not actually done anything wrong.

Also, I'm inclined to think that if Malky thought Iain Moody had really been hard done by, then he would have resigned in protest too. After all, Malky would very quicky find another top job

I'm pretty sure the boy from Kazakhstan is doing little more than answering the phone and taking messages. The real test for Mr Tan is who he puts into that position on a permanent basis, and whether Malky feels he can work with him. Mr Tan has a month or two to find someone before the January transfer window.

So far, since Mr Tan started putting serious money into the club, it has continued on an upward curve. This has kept me and the majority of the fans happy (lets leave the rebrand out of this for a moment). If the side starts struggling, that's when we find out if he can cope with the higher level of boos ringing out from the crowd.

As far as I can see, that's the end of the story for a while. Can we now concentrate on the football again? Let's see if the boys can surprise Chelsea on Saturday!

The full time role has allready been offered if a little birdie is right !

The fixer

Who is 'the fixer?'