OUR CEO

None of us know the full story regarding the budget /overspend, call it what you want, but one thing concerns me, if it is the case then surely it didn't happen overnight or in one massive purchase and must have been building up bit by bit.

So how did the CEO let it happen, and if he didn't know it was happening, then what the f**k was he doing?

Only one man and one owner to blame.

Is this the same owner you made sure nobody opposed while disrupting anti rebrand meetings, in order to allow him to make such decisions you are now complaining about?

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None of us know the full story regarding the budget /overspend, call it what you want, but one thing concerns me, if it is the case then surely it didn't happen overnight or in one massive purchase and must have been building up bit by bit.

So how did the CEO let it happen, and if he didn't know it was happening, then what the f**k was he doing?

Only one man and one owner to blame.

no communication between them gwyn it sounds like

Is this the same owner you made sure nobody opposed while disrupting anti rebrand meetings, in order to allow him to make such decisions you are now complaining about?

This is the same owner that came in when no one else would and saved us from liquidation, I know liquidation and administration is part of the inbreds make up and history, but not here in the capital. At the time not only did I and many others see it as the best option, but the only one.
If we had blocked him at those early days, and he walked away, Malky, Moodie and everyone else employed would have been dust anyway. along with the club.

Read my posts if you want a true picture, my view is consistent with my earliest posts, then was n't the time to protest, when he was sucked in and up to his neck was and is the time, he can't just walk away, is investment has got us to this stage, if he wants a return, either he sorts it out and listens to proper advice, or he sells us to someone who will listen or have the knowledge and nuance required.

Is this the same owner you made sure nobody opposed while disrupting anti rebrand meetings, in order to allow him to make such decisions you are now complaining about?

This is the same owner that came in when no one else would and saved us from liquidation, I know liquidation and administration is part of the inbreds make up and history, but not here in the capital. At the time not only did I and many others see it as the best option, but the only one.
If we had blocked him at those early days, and he walked away, Malky, Moodie and everyone else employed would have been dust anyway. along with the club.

Read my posts if you want a true picture, my view is consistent with my earliest posts, then was n't the time to protest, when he was sucked in and up to his neck was and is the time, he can't just walk away, is investment has got us to this stage, if he wants a return, either he sorts it out and listens to proper advice, or he sells us to someone who will listen or have the knowledge and nuance required.

what if he does as he promised and makes us debt free ,new training ground and stadium expansion ? will you want him out ?

Is this the same owner you made sure nobody opposed while disrupting anti rebrand meetings, in order to allow him to make such decisions you are now complaining about?

This is the same owner that came in when no one else would and saved us from liquidation, I know liquidation and administration is part of the inbreds make up and history, but not here in the capital. At the time not only did I and many others see it as the best option, but the only one.
If we had blocked him at those early days, and he walked away, Malky, Moodie and everyone else employed would have been dust anyway. along with the club.

Read my posts if you want a true picture, my view is consistent with my earliest posts, then was n't the time to protest, when he was sucked in and up to his neck was and is the time, he can't just walk away, is investment has got us to this stage, if he wants a return, either he sorts it out and listens to proper advice, or he sells us to someone who will listen or have the knowledge and nuance required.

what if he does as he promised and makes us debt free ,new training ground and stadium expansion ? will you want him out ?

Wez, as I see it he's a successful business man, but this is unlike any other business in his holding, his biggest and most important decisions in my eyes is to hire the right people for the right job, listen to their advice because they are the experts in that field, and if they ain't, why has he employed them?

I'll always be there, whatever colour, what ever name, wherever we play and in whatever league, like many of us.
I'm as upset as anyone and thought after all these years finally our patience was being rewarded and there was some justice, but just as you start to relax and believe, bang!! along comes another kick in the bollox, but still, this is nowhere near the worse position we have been in before, it's upsetting because it's all in place and if it ain't broke, why f**k about with it.

We have seen managers and owners come and go, but Malky is the best I have seen and really seems to have bitten into things down here and appreciates our special fans and club, in Malky I trust, if he goes we'll get over it, we have to, but none of us want to see it happening I'm sure.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

Gwyn to be fair the rebrand was only last year and he was already into us for 100m so theres no way he would have walked last year either.

As you said last year he who pays the piper calls the tune.

The very early days, 2010, then yes I agree had he not got involved then we would have been dust and there was no other option.

The bit I don't get is, when Tan came on board, he knew how much debt we were in, as soon as he decided to rebrand us the week after West Ham in the play offs it was all this talk of we were going bust. Nobody was saying that 4 months previous when we were in the Carlng Cup Final. Why wasn't there any talk of liquidation then? The prick was too busy patting Gerrard on the back as he was about to lift the trophy. Going bust won't wash with me, nor will his f*cking rebrand.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Gwyn, it's all your fault

Even the MUNI is now closed and full of squatters!

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Gwyn, it's all your fault

Even the MUNI is now closed and full of squatters!

Mad ain't it, the things i have to do just to have a brown envelope and a £400,000 house given to me.

Gwyn to be fair the rebrand was only last year and he was already into us for 100m so theres no way he would have walked last year either.

As you said last year he who pays the piper calls the tune.

The very early days, 2010, then yes I agree had he not got involved then we would have been dust and there was no other option.

Agreed , the fans could / should have called his bluff on the rebrand . Already heavily invested and would not have walked away without making a very large loss . Which he would never have done as he is a very shrewd business man and knew the big prize was very attainable with a bit more investment .

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Im also getting used to you making statements and then denying them. Gwyn you actually stated them words not at some Uni meeting but in print on this forum in reply to one of my posts and you told us that you would not do anything until Tan was fully committed and when he was committed and could not walk away then we can give him what for. Please do not continue to deny it and force me to search the site and produce the evidence.
I would ask again if you now consider Tan fully committed and if so what are the details of giving Tan what for.

None of us know the full story regarding the budget /overspend, call it what you want, but one thing concerns me, if it is the case then surely it didn't happen overnight or in one massive purchase and must have been building up bit by bit.

So how did the CEO let it happen, and if he didn't know it was happening, then what the f**k was he doing?

Only one man and one owner to blame.

exactly, who were the last few players we signed? 2 million for the french lad? its not difficult is it, like doing your house up or something, you have a budget, say 10 grand. Oh look i have a thousand pound left in the bank. how much does that mean i have left to spend??? ffs...i'll add the figures up for them if they like, just call it a free drink and ticket to every game, save them a fortune i will.....

Gwyn to be fair the rebrand was only last year and he was already into us for 100m so theres no way he would have walked last year either.

As you said last year he who pays the piper calls the tune.

The very early days, 2010, then yes I agree had he not got involved then we would have been dust and there was no other option.

after the play off final defeat he could have easily said i dont fancy this, we'd have been playing with pompey in league 2 at best right now for sure. maybe people think thats ok and maybe it is, 3 leagues below the jacks. Doesnt bare thinking about. At rebrand time we were basically blackmailed, he splashed out 10 million or so on players and took us up.

Gwyn to be fair the rebrand was only last year and he was already into us for 100m so theres no way he would have walked last year either.

As you said last year he who pays the piper calls the tune.

The very early days, 2010, then yes I agree had he not got involved then we would have been dust and there was no other option.

after the play off final defeat he could have easily said i dont fancy this, we'd have been playing with pompey in league 2 at best right now for sure. maybe people think thats ok and maybe it is, 3 leagues below the jacks. Doesnt bare thinking about. At rebrand time we were basically blackmailed, he splashed out 10 million or so on players and took us up.

So being 3 leagues below us is a cause for greater concern than having a bit of pride and dignity?

So administration isnt how you do things in the capital? But arse licking, crawling and begging is? Give me administration agreed with your creditors over this in the national paper.

Lifelong Bluebirds fan Gwyn Davies, a 6ft 6in and 20st former judo international, was in tears following a special meeting with club officials.“Every Cardiff City fan must show our Malaysian investors, Vincent Tan in particular, that we want him to stay with us and that we love him,” said Davies.

Pathetic.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Im also getting used to you making statements and then denying them. Gwyn you actually stated them words not at some Uni meeting but in print on this forum in reply to one of my posts and you told us that you would not do anything until Tan was fully committed and when he was committed and could not walk away then we can give him what for. Please do not continue to deny it and force me to search the site and produce the evidence.
I would ask again if you now consider Tan fully committed and if so what are the details of giving Tan what for.

Go on go on go on, dig it up for me!!!, may well have said to those planning to demonstrate to keep their powder dry and demonstrate when he was to far sucked in, as for me I have made it clear from day one, the colour thing did not affect me as much as others and my sense of belonging had little to do with colour, so never personally felt the need to demonstrate on that issue.

However I have said and it still stands, if we find he's shafted us, then I will be well up for demonstrating, he may be messing things up, but don't think he's doing it to deliberately shaft us, just doing it in ignorance and stubbornness rather than setting out to harm us, because it will affect his finances, we lose and he losses, just hope he sees sense or fucks off.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Im also getting used to you making statements and then denying them. Gwyn you actually stated them words not at some Uni meeting but in print on this forum in reply to one of my posts and you told us that you would not do anything until Tan was fully committed and when he was committed and could not walk away then we can give him what for. Please do not continue to deny it and force me to search the site and produce the evidence.
I would ask again if you now consider Tan fully committed and if so what are the details of giving Tan what for.

Go on go on go on, dig it up for me!!!, may well have said to those planning to demonstrate to keep their powder dry and demonstrate when he was to far sucked in, as for me I have made it clear from day one, the colour thing did not affect me as much as others and my sense of belonging had little to do with colour, so never personally felt the need to demonstrate on that issue.

However I have said and it still stands, if we find he's shafted us, then I will be well up for demonstrating, he may be messing things up, but don't think he's doing it to deliberately shaft us, just doing it in ignorance and stubbornness rather than setting out to harm us, because it will affect his finances, we lose and he losses, just hope he sees sense or fucks off.

gwyn you 100% have always said this ,thats why i asked the questioned you earlier, if he does shaft us with the debt swap then thats different and i think most of us will be over the fence with you but hes kept his other promises they might not be popular but he is a man of his word i believe

Gwyn to be fair the rebrand was only last year and he was already into us for 100m so theres no way he would have walked last year either.

As you said last year he who pays the piper calls the tune.

The very early days, 2010, then yes I agree had he not got involved then we would have been dust and there was no other option.

after the play off final defeat he could have easily said i dont fancy this, we'd have been playing with pompey in league 2 at best right now for sure. maybe people think thats ok and maybe it is, 3 leagues below the jacks. Doesnt bare thinking about. At rebrand time we were basically blackmailed, he splashed out 10 million or so on players and took us up.

So being 3 leagues below us is a cause for greater concern than having a bit of pride and dignity?

So administration isnt how you do things in the capital? But arse licking, crawling and begging is? Give me administration agreed with your creditors over this in the national paper.

Lifelong Bluebirds fan Gwyn Davies, a 6ft 6in and 20st former judo international, was in tears following a special meeting with club officials.“Every Cardiff City fan must show our Malaysian investors, Vincent Tan in particular, that we want him to stay with us and that we love him,” said Davies.

Pathetic.

I don't need a badge or a specific colour to prove my pride or dignity, I'm proud my club has never had to go into admin and cheat the system and cost local business's thousands in the process, I'm glad and pride we don't have to play in a stadium rented and subsidised by the council and tax payers.

As for being in tears, quite proud that I'm not embarrassed to shed a tear over something that means that much to me and was at risk of being taken away. Unless you share those feelings, you'll never understand, and no one will ever be able to explain it to you.

What I will say though, the bad times and sad times I and others have had, make the good times even sweeter.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Gwyn, it's all your fault

Even the MUNI is now closed and full of squatters!

Mad ain't it, the things i have to do just to have a brown envelope and a £400,000 house given to me.

Gwyn I'm sensing a connection here. Are you willing to name the person who painted the 400k house for you

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Im also getting used to you making statements and then denying them. Gwyn you actually stated them words not at some Uni meeting but in print on this forum in reply to one of my posts and you told us that you would not do anything until Tan was fully committed and when he was committed and could not walk away then we can give him what for. Please do not continue to deny it and force me to search the site and produce the evidence.
I would ask again if you now consider Tan fully committed and if so what are the details of giving Tan what for.

Go on go on go on, dig it up for me!!!, may well have said to those planning to demonstrate to keep their powder dry and demonstrate when he was to far sucked in, as for me I have made it clear from day one, the colour thing did not affect me as much as others and my sense of belonging had little to do with colour, so never personally felt the need to demonstrate on that issue.

However I have said and it still stands, if we find he's shafted us, then I will be well up for demonstrating, he may be messing things up, but don't think he's doing it to deliberately shaft us, just doing it in ignorance and stubbornness rather than setting out to harm us, because it will affect his finances, we lose and he losses, just hope he sees sense or fucks off.

Ok at least you have acknoledged the point so I wont bother digging it up. I think it was Sam who originally stated that we shouldnt protest till Tan was fully committed in a phone call to you and you agreed with his comments. I can also remember you stating that you would be the first to protest if Tan did not make good on his promises. Although you state (and I have some sympathy for your view) that Tan sometimes may not always be out to deliberately shaft us but he may be shafting us none the less and its how we stop him before he completely shafts us is the key.

Gwyn you also stated that when Tan had committed himself to the extent where he could not walk away then "we will give him what for".
My question to you is, have we now reached that point where Tan is fully committed and if so insn't it about time that you/we carried out your threat.

No! not what I said, but getting used to that. What I said at the Muni meeting is"why protest now, give it six months and if we find out he's shafted us, then protest, and I'll be first over the wall" well he may not have shafted us, but he's having a go at messing things up.

Gwyn, it's all your fault

Even the MUNI is now closed and full of squatters!

Mad ain't it, the things i have to do just to have a brown envelope and a £400,000 house given to me.

Gwyn I'm sensing a connection here. Are you willing to name the person who painted the 400k house for you

As always Steve, your one step ahead.

Why do we go through this repeatedly........

You all act as if it was a referendum and we had a say

The one who protest so much about sell outs and I would prefer to be Blue in div 2 are screaming loudest about falling out the premier league.

if we go down I will probably still be down the city next season, same if we stay in. Although I am in for £500 this season, Tan will lose a lot more.

Loaning money to yourself is a trick that only works once and Sam's done that one.

Sorry but this "we dont want admin" is a pretty silly kop out.

What we had, which is the subject of most misdirection, was a CVA. This is where you agree with your creditors to settle for less than what you owe..... Like what you did with Langston to the tune of £15,000,000 a few short months back. You guys just wanted to be promoted, I showed you at the time you wouldnt be liquidated and it was echoed by one of your directors, you just would probably be relegated and have to rebuild within your means. But wheres the fun in that eh?

And to the poster above, you had every chance for your say. Do I have to bring out the statement from TG and Tan retracting the rebrand ideas and saying how you will continue with blue? It is widely known that the rebrand happened because everybody could see the premiership getting further away so then asked Tan for it and went grovelling cap in hand for a foreigner to ruin your club for some more cash.... Hence my point.

Gwyn and his valley mates did their utmost to ensure there was no opposition to this rebrand and ridiculed and threatened people who actively wanted their blue back. And now has the audacity to complain about Tan

As fans you all had a duty to stand up and be counted, a few fans did, and the rest allowed it to happen with the lure of the premier league proving too big. Im afraid those people have no right to complain what so ever, you were told what would happen.

TLG and co are the real heroes of Cardiff City, paid the ultimate price to protect the club they love and were let down in the biggest possible way by the majority.

Sorry but this "we dont want admin" is a pretty silly kop out.

What we had, which is the subject of most misdirection, was a CVA. This is where you agree with your creditors to settle for less than what you owe..... Like what you did with Langston to the tune of £15,000,000 a few short months back. You guys just wanted to be promoted, I showed you at the time you wouldnt be liquidated and it was echoed by one of your directors, you just would probably be relegated and have to rebuild within your means. But wheres the fun in that eh?

And to the poster above, you had every chance for your say. Do I have to bring out the statement from TG and Tan retracting the rebrand ideas and saying how you will continue with blue? It is widely known that the rebrand happened because everybody could see the premiership getting further away so then asked Tan for it and went grovelling cap in hand for a foreigner to ruin your club for some more cash.... Hence my point.

Gwyn and his valley mates did their utmost to ensure there was no opposition to this rebrand and ridiculed and threatened people who actively wanted their blue back. And now has the audacity to complain about Tan

As fans you all had a duty to stand up and be counted, a few fans did, and the rest allowed it to happen with the lure of the premier league proving too big. Im afraid those people have no right to complain what so ever, you were told what would happen.

TLG and co are the real heroes of Cardiff City, paid the ultimate price to protect the club they love and were let down in the biggest possible way by the majority.

I've some drivel on here, not as much as on the small minded, hard of thinking board though but this really does take the biscuit. No idea who you are but you are seriously deluded, it's a football team for fucks sake! I walked out of the UK as the sheeple you appear to respect fucked the country up for the foreseeable future. Football as we knew it, I'm 51 in a few months, has gone; some silly arse who likes the sound of his own voice and thinks that writing "blogs" on the internet will change what, within all likelihood will happen (he hasn't picked that up as yet despite me telling his backers for years) in the next couple of years.

The Cardiff City that I supported has gone for ever. I have a season ticket that I haven't used for a few years, given to mates mostly although most don't want to go anymore. Standing up and being counted don't count for f**k all in modern day football, you're just a seat number, a customer reading a business plan. I'm out

Ha ha ha Roath... what an imbecile, banging on about a cva like it's some kind of common business practice.

Only if your business is insolvent, Roath.

Sorry but this "we dont want admin" is a pretty silly kop out.

What we had, which is the subject of most misdirection, was a CVA. This is where you agree with your creditors to settle for less than what you owe..... Like what you did with Langston to the tune of £15,000,000 a few short months back. You guys just wanted to be promoted, I showed you at the time you wouldnt be liquidated and it was echoed by one of your directors, you just would probably be relegated and have to rebuild within your means. But wheres the fun in that eh?

And to the poster above, you had every chance for your say. Do I have to bring out the statement from TG and Tan retracting the rebrand ideas and saying how you will continue with blue? It is widely known that the rebrand happened because everybody could see the premiership getting further away so then asked Tan for it and went grovelling cap in hand for a foreigner to ruin your club for some more cash.... Hence my point.

Gwyn and his valley mates did their utmost to ensure there was no opposition to this rebrand and ridiculed and threatened people who actively wanted their blue back. And now has the audacity to complain about Tan

So many claims and accusations, but don't you think after all this time, there would have been proof of at least one alleged threat supposedly made by me.
And are you really claiming your club never went into admin, if that's the case you should ask them for those deducted points back, heaven knows you could do with them now.
And as for Langston, it was nothing like a CVA so try and keep some semblance of truth and facts.
And on the night in question of the seven or so bullies as some allege, four of them are born and bred Cardiff lads, not good looking enough to live up the valleys, they failed the pretty test.

And well within my rights as any fan to complain about Tan's actions relating to present events, nothing wrong with complaining, if as a fan you feel it's to protect the club as an entity, never had a problem with people complaining, it's understandable, lot's of people were against it, but luckily the majority didn't want to cause on field disruption or cause damage to the club.

As fans you all had a duty to stand up and be counted, a few fans did, and the rest allowed it to happen with the lure of the premier league proving too big. Im afraid those people have no right to complain what so ever, you were told what would happen.

The majority of fans did stand up to be counted, and they said that whilst it was a massive sacrifice, it was one they were prepared to take to ensure the safe guarding of our club and ensuring it's future.

TLG and co are the real heroes of Cardiff City, paid the ultimate price to protect the club they love and were let down in the biggest possible way by the majority.

If everyone stayed away like the real heroes, then Tan may well have walked away and taken his investment, and the heroes could have watched the club they love go out of business, is that what they describe as tough love.

The Football Leagues Motto is 'Real Football, Real Fans'.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Bunch of corporate whiners and puppets at this level.

Can't wait for the likes of Exeter and Torquay again. Bring on the good times. Let the good times roll.

Sorry but this "we dont want admin" is a pretty silly kop out.

What we had, which is the subject of most misdirection, was a CVA. This is where you agree with your creditors to settle for less than what you owe..... Like what you did with Langston to the tune of £15,000,000 a few short months back. You guys just wanted to be promoted, I showed you at the time you wouldnt be liquidated and it was echoed by one of your directors, you just would probably be relegated and have to rebuild within your means. But wheres the fun in that eh?

And to the poster above, you had every chance for your say. Do I have to bring out the statement from TG and Tan retracting the rebrand ideas and saying how you will continue with blue? It is widely known that the rebrand happened because everybody could see the premiership getting further away so then asked Tan for it and went grovelling cap in hand for a foreigner to ruin your club for some more cash.... Hence my point.

Gwyn and his valley mates did their utmost to ensure there was no opposition to this rebrand and ridiculed and threatened people who actively wanted their blue back. And now has the audacity to complain about Tan

So many claims and accusations, but don't you think after all this time, there would have been proof of at least one alleged threat supposedly made by me.
And are you really claiming your club never went into admin, if that's the case you should ask them for those deducted points back, heaven knows you could do with them now.
And as for Langston, it was nothing like a CVA so try and keep some semblance of truth and facts.
And on the night in question of the seven or so bullies as some allege, four of them are born and bred Cardiff lads, not good looking enough to live up the valleys, they failed the pretty test.

And well within my rights as any fan to complain about Tan's actions relating to present events, nothing wrong with complaining, if as a fan you feel it's to protect the club as an entity, never had a problem with people complaining, it's understandable, lot's of people were against it, but luckily the majority didn't want to cause on field disruption or cause damage to the club.

As fans you all had a duty to stand up and be counted, a few fans did, and the rest allowed it to happen with the lure of the premier league proving too big. Im afraid those people have no right to complain what so ever, you were told what would happen.

The majority of fans did stand up to be counted, and they said that whilst it was a massive sacrifice, it was one they were prepared to take to ensure the safe guarding of our club and ensuring it's future.

TLG and co are the real heroes of Cardiff City, paid the ultimate price to protect the club they love and were let down in the biggest possible way by the majority.

If everyone stayed away like the real heroes, then Tan may well have walked away and taken his investment, and the heroes could have watched the club they love go out of business, is that what they describe as tough love.

What points deduction was this then gwyn?