TIME FOR PLAN B

It seems the plan A is Tan out, and the way things are going, it seems a fair shout.

But what is plan B, when he came in there weren't many against it, remember some of the main antagonists now, who at the time were welcoming the Malaysians with Malaysian flags etc in the foyer of the stadium, and who can blame them, they rescued us at a time no one else would touch us.

Was it ideal, no, was it f**k, but who else was there, we didn't choose VT over someone else, there was no one else.
So if we do drive him out, who fills the gap, and don't give me we got the Premiership money so we Ok, at this level and the early stage in growth we are at, we still need investment to survive, let alone progress.

It would be great if VT said he wanted out and some other billionaire stepped in, but who's to say it would be any better?

VT is far from the finished article and as made so many mistakes, but also done a lot of things right.

At this moment in time the only person I can see rescuing the situation and bringing some stability to things is Malky, VT needs him fully on board and both making a joint statement, but in my opinion, if Malky is pissed off, which I'm sure he is totally, why would he do that, he may just sit back, and say it's your mess, you created it, you sort it or pay the price, I'll take my money that I'm entitled to under contract, and the first good job that comes along, then I'm off like a shot, and who can blame him.

The person I blame, if blame is the right word is our CEO Simon Lym, yes he don't want the sack and he can only say so much to VT, but his role is surely to be the link or conduit between Vt and all things at the club, if contracts, and cheques were being signed of and only now VT has realised the true cost of things, then surely if Simon Lym has sanctioned or signed these, then the buck stops with him.

The first thing he should have done is handle this situation differently, and allowing the replacement at such a critical time of a key role with a lad who's football knowledge came from a computer game is ludicrous.

If Moody has done things that warrant removal, then we have to accept that after the enquiry, but to replace him as he's done is undefendable.

I always hope for the best and even now hope something positive will come from this, VT needs Malky's public support no more than ever, perhaps Malky can use this to his advantage and say "look, you have had your fingers burnt, either trust me, back me or sack me, but stay away from football matters, and get someone better in as CEO who actaully knows the business and knows the game, or suffer the consequences"

Yes Gwyn....unity is what is needed right now from Tan and Malky.

agree with this - bloody sad seeing it, I know it is asking too much but could we have just a time in our lives when we worry about the football rather than all this bollocks

and I think bollocks is the right word for it - hate to see all this dirty washing aired in public, thought Vincent Tan was a better operator than this, and perhaps you are right the Chief Exec (a thankless task at any football club) should be leading the place.

gywn lim has to shoulder some of the blame break down in communication , looks like the club have advise tan wrongly over transfer is the summer and the axe has fallen on moody as head of recruitment ,

It has taken CCFC 51 years to reach the promised land and what happens when we get there? within 6/7 games there is turmoil at the club and shoot & foot spring to mind.

Surely what we needed at this time was stability, a time of steady progress and building to see the long term Premiership future of CCFC. There were the ongoing issues with the rebranding, then the player bonus saga and now this within a short space of time. There are obviously dangers of having someone in charge without a great deal of football experience so one asks who is there to give advice and guidance, that is of course if advice is wanted.

These problems cannot be doing the players or our club any good and as long as the rift continues then it could spell the end of our existence in the top flight. Gone without a whimper. Do the management think that this is the right time to resolve issues. MM & the players/squad need to be supported at this and given every opportunity to ensure our survival in the top flight this season. If we lose our status then the situation will not help anyone.

Lets hope hope that the "issues are resolved " to a satisfactory conclusion at the earliest opportunity and everyone helps MM & the squad achieve the aims of having a good season.

I agree Gwyn.

Simon Lim surely has the power to sanction such deals that Moody has agreed. Malky confirms who, then surely its Lim and Moody who tie up all the loose ends. However, people have to understand, Lim has followed Tan in from the Berjeya Group and wont be put at risk as Tan will point fingers elsewhere.

Without doubt, Malky has brought professionalism and structure to the club not only on the first team, but also the club as a whole, yet this is being destroyed by Tan who, other than financially, should have nothing to do with the day to day running of the club.

My only concern and Ill wait until the club issues a press release to confirm, who Iain Moody's replacement is. If it is this 23 year old, surely people in high places at the club have to speak to him, we do have 10 directors surely Mehmet will have a say on this as Chairman?. I know its Tan's way or the highway but this is football, who in the right mind will sign for Cardiff City when a 23 year old with no experience in the game be able to convince multi million pound signings to join. If Moody has spoken out of turn or caused waves at the club, apart from 2 players I can think of I honestly think Malkys recruitment team have done exceptionally well.

I honestly think this is a game of chess, he is buying out all current directors and current shareholders to own as he says 98% by November, and then he will be in a position to sell. The club will and has already secured planning permission for the upgrade to the Ninian stand and this will act as bait and positive moves by the club to help aid any sale to possible new buyers.

But as he has little experience in football, he is causing damage to the engine for this club and that is Malky and his team, nobody will buy a sinking ship and this is what he needs to understand. As a fan of CCFC for 27 years, I am grateful for the money he provided to this club when it was on its last legs. Gwyn very rightly said there was no choice, no second option and it was at this time we all took his assistance with open hands.

We can all somehow accept the colours, we don't have to all buy the kit and like myself, I know a lot who have not bought anything. A possible name change was muted, this would be the last straw for me, I can handle staff changes, management changes, seat colours but to me, this club is and should always be Cardiff City FC.

I just hope, whatever is happening over the past 2-3 days, comes out in the wash and I hope there is something to what is happening to Iain Moody that puts a professional spin on things, if he has broken rules then good on the club to do what they have done. However, if the gardening leave is not found to the a valid reason, then the PFA, LMA and the Premier League will come down massively on this club as you simply cannot do it these days.

Lets just pack in the in-house bitching and name calling until we all know whats happened in full.

Laughable coming from you ,were'nt you the one on tv slagging off all the blue supporters that we had to take his deal or we were fucked !!....well you wanted this gwyn and look whats happening to our club at a time when we should all be loving it .

Laughable coming from you ,were'nt you the one on tv slagging off all the blue supporters that we had to take his deal or we were fucked !!....well you wanted this gwyn and look whats happening to our club at a time when we should all be loving it .

I think it is an historic fact that without that money we were, as you say, fucked. Not wishing to re-hash old arguments but we can't deny that there was no other investor willing to put that money, at that time, into the club to avoid either administration or liquidation.

Don't think Gwyn is to blame for all this mate, he is one of us and has been for many, many years. We should be sticking together not picking arguments like this.

Big Gwyn is a man of his word. He will be first over the fence

Laughable coming from you ,were'nt you the one on tv slagging off all the blue supporters that we had to take his deal or we were fucked !!....well you wanted this gwyn and look whats happening to our club at a time when we should all be loving it .

Simple question then, what else? what other option did the club have? who else did we have at that time?? This is not a question about the fans, this is about the club which is bigger and better than all of us. Don't blame or point fingers at Gwyn, he has done ore for this club in his time that you'll understand. if the blue/red changes were such an issue why didn't 30k fans turn up at the door and say 'NO'? why didn't we demand the club to re-think??

Like I said in my previous post, stop the name calling and lets simply unite, the club is owned by directors let them sort it out and lets all hope its for the better of the club.

Laughable coming from you ,were'nt you the one on tv slagging off all the blue supporters that we had to take his deal or we were fucked !!....well you wanted this gwyn and look whats happening to our club at a time when we should all be loving it .

Loving it, and do you think there would have been anything there to love if he hadn't come on board when he did, madness.
No one wanted this, most of us wanted to survive, are you aware of how close we were to being liquidated, not admin, but closed.

Big Gwyn is a man of his word. He will be first over the fence

Still stands, and if it's for the benefit of the club, I will be, track record proves that, what's yours, internet warrior.

Big Gwyn is a man of his word. He will be first over the fence

funny,not so funny says all that does nothing when proven wrong, but belittle Blue City fans, even put a picture of me on here after tracking me down because i dare to try and stand up to the red

Plan b is to force tan out

Big Gwyn is a man of his word. He will be first over the fence

funny,not so funny says all that does nothing when proven wrong, but belittle Blue City fans, even put a picture of me on here after tracking me down because i dare to try and stand up to the red

You wanted to jump ship to start another club up, people in glass houses

Im afraid its not about blue or red for me or tan or sam......its always been about cardiff city football club, and most important the people who i have gone to home games and travelled with over the years. As long as they are still there i will keep on enjoying it, whatever div we are in.

Im afraid its not about blue or red for me or tan or sam......its always been about cardiff city football club, and most important the people who i have gone to home games and travelled with over the years. As long as they are still there i will keep on enjoying it, whatever div we are in.

Exactly, everything else is temporary.

Plan b is to force tan out

And then what

Put some sensible people in charge......I propose Grippo to skin the Bas@ards and Mike Beasley.......Mike Beasley

Big Gwyn is a man of his word. He will be first over the fence

funny,not so funny says all that does nothing when proven wrong, but belittle Blue City fans, even put a picture of me on here after tracking me down because i dare to try and stand up to the red

Wrong, you were organising a march to protest, but trying to do it anonymously you wanted people to follow your lead, but no one knew who you were, didn't have to track you down your on facebook on a public site with no privacy or blocking restrictions, duh.

Mind you looking at some of your posts and the damage you have done to BU's case, I can understand why you wanted to remain anonymous.

Plan b is to force tan out

Read it again, getting Tan out is plan A for most people, but what then, and what is plan B. Do you think he will just go leave us as we are and say give it all back to me when you can.

Plan B?


Gwyn, Ive seen our club nearly go to the wall at least 5 times, even with 12 hours to go, in the last 40 odd years and there has always been someone around the corner to save us.

Pompey, Rangers and Coventry are still very Proud Clubs and still exist and their fans are still there supporting their clubs in huge numbers.

Yes I welcomed ' TG ' to our Stadium, like I welcomed Dave Jones,I welcomed Kenton Utilities,Tony Clemo etc etc I will give any new person who comes to our club a chance, everyone deserves a chance and our support.

What Tan has done to our Identity I will never forgive him for or respect him and thats how I feel.

There was no need to turn on or belittle our fellow fans who tried to keep our True Identity going and are Proud Of Our BLUE.

I dont care what you say, Cardiff City are over a 100 years old and there will always be someone around the corner to take us over, there always has been and always will be.

I would like nothing more than for Vincent Tan to leave our Club Now and get our Identity back and be Proud once again, thats all I want and thats All I have got to say on the matter.

Plan B?


Gwyn, Ive seen our club nearly go to the wall at least 5 times, even with 12 hours to go, in the last 40 odd years and there has always been someone around the corner to save us.

Pompey, Rangers and Coventry are still very Proud Clubs and still exist and their fans are still there supporting their clubs in huge numbers.

Yes I welcomed ' TG ' to our Stadium, like I welcomed Dave Jones,I welcomed Kenton Utilities,Tony Clemo etc etc I will give any new person who comes to our club a chance, everyone deserves a chance and our support.

What Tan has done to our Identity I will never forgive him for or respect him and thats how I feel.

There was no need to turn on or belittle our fellow fans who tried to keep our True Identity going and are Proud Of Our BLUE.

I dont care what you say, Cardiff City are over a 100 years old and there will always be someone around the corner to take us over, there always has been and always will be.

I would like nothing more than for Vincent Tan to leave our Club Now and get our Identity back and be Proud once again, thats all I want and thats All I have got to say on the matter.

If we want someone to buy us out it has got to be when we are in the premiership, if we happen to go down at the end of the season who will spend that sort of money then?

Plan B?


Gwyn, Ive seen our club nearly go to the wall at least 5 times, even with 12 hours to go, in the last 40 odd years and there has always been someone around the corner to save us.

Pompey, Rangers and Coventry are still very Proud Clubs and still exist and their fans are still there supporting their clubs in huge numbers.

Yes I welcomed ' TG ' to our Stadium, like I welcomed Dave Jones,I welcomed Kenton Utilities,Tony Clemo etc etc I will give any new person who comes to our club a chance, everyone deserves a chance and our support.

What Tan has done to our Identity I will never forgive him for or respect him and thats how I feel.

There was no need to turn on or belittle our fellow fans who tried to keep our True Identity going and are Proud Of Our BLUE.

I dont care what you say, Cardiff City are over a 100 years old and there will always be someone around the corner to take us over, there always has been and always will be.

I would like nothing more than for Vincent Tan to leave our Club Now and get our Identity back and be Proud once again, thats all I want and thats All I have got to say on the matter.

Not sure about that, when Clemo, Kenton Utilities, the Kumars etc came in we were talking about hundreds of thousands in investment basically. Now we're talking hundreds of millions. Different gravy.

Plan B?


Gwyn, Ive seen our club nearly go to the wall at least 5 times, even with 12 hours to go, in the last 40 odd years and there has always been someone around the corner to save us.

Pompey, Rangers and Coventry are still very Proud Clubs and still exist and their fans are still there supporting their clubs in huge numbers.

Yes I welcomed ' TG ' to our Stadium, like I welcomed Dave Jones,I welcomed Kenton Utilities,Tony Clemo etc etc I will give any new person who comes to our club a chance, everyone deserves a chance and our support.

What Tan has done to our Identity I will never forgive him for or respect him and thats how I feel.

There was no need to turn on or belittle our fellow fans who tried to keep our True Identity going and are Proud Of Our BLUE.
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I dont care what you say, Cardiff City are over a 100 years old and there will always be someone around the corner to take us over, there always has been and always will be.

And how old are Glasgow Rangers?

I would like nothing more than for Vincent Tan to leave our Club Now and get our Identity back and be Proud once again, thats all I want and thats All I have got to say on the matter.

Does Tan have much left to hold us to ransom with this time?

We are in a much more attractive position for new investment.

Does Tan have much left to hold us to ransom with this time?

We are in a much more attractive position for new investment.

Exactly, he got some major investment to lose now, he ain't able to just walk now.

Not here to take the piss because its now getting beyond a joke what that c**t is doing to you lot.

Serious question though Gwyn, weren't you the one responsible for making physical threats against anyone who dared question Tan and the changes.

Maybe if you had showed some unity then and stuck up for yourselves then he would know he couldn't do what he wants up there because one he got the rebrand through with very little fuss he had you by the balls.

gywn lim has to shoulder some of the blame break down in communication , looks like the club have advise tan wrongly over transfer is the summer and the axe has fallen on moody as head of recruitment ,

Who is Gwyn Lim??

Not here to take the piss because its now getting beyond a joke what that c**t is doing to you lot.

Serious question though Gwyn, weren't you the one responsible for making physical threats against anyone who dared question Tan and the changes.

No it wasn't me, plenty of rumours and gossip to claim differently, but those that were there now the truth, that is why all the claims made have been second hand and gossip rather than direct claims and quotes by people actually there, but hey broad enough shoulders to take the flak, even if it all was bullshit, at least it gave someone else the day off.


Maybe if you had showed some unity then and stuck up for yourselves then he would know he couldn't do what he wants up there because one he got the rebrand through with very little fuss he had you by the balls.

yeh he had us by the balls, would have walked away and HMRC waiting to close us, strong hand then, but not so strong now.