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Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:31 pm
Malky interview after defeat to Spurs at the Cardiff City Stadium
Mackay rues disallowed goal and was not happy with referee decision.
Sunday 22nd September 2013
Cardiff boss Malky Mackay bemoaned refereeing decisions after his side slipped to a late 1-0 loss against Spurs on Sunday.
Paulinho's last-gasp winner downed the Bluebirds, who had a goal disallowed on the stroke of half-time when Ben Turner's header from a corner was discounted after referee Mark Clattenburg ruled Spurs keeper Hugo Lloris had been impeded by Aron Gunnarsson.
Early on, Lloris appeared to have handled outside the box when he robbed the ball from Frazier Campbell's feet after a poor Kyle Naughton back-pass but he was not sent-off.
Mackay told Sky Sports: "I suppose everybody will look at that (the Lloris handball), I'm more disappointed that Frazier never stuck it away.
"He's a very good finisher, he got onto it really well, read it really well, and he's disappointed himself that he never finished that.
"And we're disappointed about the disallowed goal and I think the referee will look at that tonight and Hugo Lloris will look at that tonight and Hugo will think he is very, very lucky.
"He was the one who was holding onto Aron Gunnarsson and it can be seen clear when you look at the replay."
At the time there was confusion whether the goal was disallowed for a Turner push on Michael Dawson as he went for the header, but Mackay said: "I cleared that up with the fourth official, I asked the fourth official and he was very, very clear it Gunnarsson on the goalkeeper which again, when you look at it back, it's quite extraordinary."
Mackay also praised David Marshall's display, but felt the defeat shows the challenge his side face in the top-flight.
"I don't think what you deserve comes into it, that's the harsh reality, they were clinical in the last minute and we weren't in the first minutes when we were through on goal," he said.
"David is a top goalkeeper, I think their goalkeeper cost £9million and I look at my keeper today and see him step up. He was the best in the Championship and he is in the Premier League, back in the Scotland squad and he has looked so comfortable in the games we have played against some top teams."
Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:37 pm
Its absolutely absurd is what it is Annis. Malky is being very tepid in his views their if you ask me for the cameras and media. I bet deep down he is a volcano of rage.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:39 pm
I do applaud Malky though, when he said it's not so much about Lloris handling outside the box but Campbell should have scored, simple as that.
You don't get better opportunities to score than the one presented to Campbell early on.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:44 pm
carlccfc wrote:I do applaud Malky though, when he said it's not so much about Lloris handling outside the box but Campbell should have scored, simple as that.
You don't get better opportunities to score than the one presented to Campbell early on.
Yes but Carl how can Campbell have a fair crack when Lloris blatantly cheated to gain an advantage? If Lloris hadn't cheated Fraizer could have quite easily have taken that around him and slotted it in. We'll never know now.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:45 pm
Malky needs to take a long hard look at himself tonight nevermind deflecting the flack onto the officials.
If he thinks putting 11 men in our half and letting Ben Turner hoof it to their defenders so they can start the attack v defence exercise again is an acceptable tactic at Premier League level then hes not the man for the job.
30+ million and we cant string 5 passes together.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:55 pm
Didn't realise he'd handled it at the time, just thought he'db locked it with his body.
As for the disallowed goal - dear dear. 9 times out of 10 that's a goal.
Overall though Spurs were by far the better team and deserved to win.
Next week is all that matters now.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:02 pm
Mario Polotelli wrote:If he thinks putting 11 men in our half and letting Ben Turner hoof it to their defenders so they can start the attack v defence exercise again is an acceptable tactic at Premier League level then hes not the man for the job.
It's his tactic to play that way, as mentioned in one of my previous topics
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:06 pm
carlccfc wrote:I do applaud Malky though, when he said it's not so much about Lloris handling outside the box but Campbell should have scored, simple as that.
You don't get better opportunities to score than the one presented to Campbell early on.
Gunnarson had a great chance late in the game. They all need to get some shooting practice in, as you never know who will get the chances.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:06 pm
Neokutai wrote:Mario Polotelli wrote:If he thinks putting 11 men in our half and letting Ben Turner hoof it to their defenders so they can start the attack v defence exercise again is an acceptable tactic at Premier League level then hes not the man for the job.
It's his tactic to play that way, as mentioned in one of my previous topics

Yes I know Ive been one of his biggest critics but was told it was a means to an end last year.
You cant play that way in the PL mun we are like a modern day Wimbledon.
Sad thing is when we got it down and had a go at Spurs when Odemwingie come on we had them under pressure.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:07 pm
llangainbluebird wrote:carlccfc wrote:I do applaud Malky though, when he said it's not so much about Lloris handling outside the box but Campbell should have scored, simple as that.
You don't get better opportunities to score than the one presented to Campbell early on.
Gunnarson had a great chance late in the game. They all need to get some shooting practice in, as you never know who will get the chances.
5 potential points hes blown in 2 weeks.
Had a great chance at Hull also.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:15 pm
I can understand his frustration, whether you're battered or not which we were for long periods, we got the rough end of a few bad decisions today, plus some real dubious choices by the linesman.
Pretty sure Taylor had an elbow up on him just before their goal too, but he should have been the aggressive one with the challenge.
Malky however has to take some of the blame, allowing these top sides so much free possession is a huge risk considering the quality we are now up against.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:23 pm
Can't see why if Lloris hand had been a few inches back would've made the difference.
Campbell didn't seem composed at all and that is the only reason why he lost the ball.
He had the time and space to go around or shoot and he did neither..
Keeper gambled and got away with it....
You make your own luck in this game.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:23 pm
Mario Polotelli wrote:Neokutai wrote:Mario Polotelli wrote:If he thinks putting 11 men in our half and letting Ben Turner hoof it to their defenders so they can start the attack v defence exercise again is an acceptable tactic at Premier League level then hes not the man for the job.
It's his tactic to play that way, as mentioned in one of my previous topics

Yes I know Ive been one of his biggest critics but was told it was a means to an end last year.
You cant play that way in the PL mun we are like a modern day Wimbledon.
Sad thing is when we got it down and had a go at Spurs when Odemwingie come on we had them under pressure.
Wimbledon actually had shots on target !
Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:43 pm
as annoying as it seems its quite an effective way to pick up points off bigger teams. we were more open against the so called lesser teams but he makes it tight v spurs everton and man city. we were successful v man city and nothing wrong with a point v everton. we were unlucky today, i think they struck some tidy shots from outside the box did spurs but we didn't allow them space in the box until their goal. we had easier chances with Campbell's 1v1 and gunnars easy chance. even odemwingie should have done better. we pop one of them in and we're talking about a great win again, unfortunately it was pretty much the last kick of the game that out did us.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:19 pm
The facts are we were outplayed yet we still could and maybe should have got something from it. The Campbell chance, the disallowed goal and gunners wasteful effort all should have seen us take the lead at least. We kept them out for 95 mins in total and they are a top 4/5 side having spent >£100m
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:28 pm
Carpe Diem wrote:The facts are we were outplayed yet we still could and maybe should have got something from it. The Campbell chance, the disallowed goal and gunners wasteful effort all should have seen us take the lead at least. We kept them out for 95 mins in total and they are a top 4/5 side having spent >£100m
Eh?
Spurs had countless chances to take the lead.
2 sides to a coin
Just seen the dissalowed goal on Sky and it was the right call. All over him.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:29 pm
Mario Polotelli wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:The facts are we were outplayed yet we still could and maybe should have got something from it. The Campbell chance, the disallowed goal and gunners wasteful effort all should have seen us take the lead at least. We kept them out for 95 mins in total and they are a top 4/5 side having spent >£100m
Eh?
Spurs had countless chances to take the lead.
2 sides to a coin
Just seen the dissalowed goal on Sky and it was the right call. All over him.
I fully agree and don't understand all the calls saying it was nothing wrong with it
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:32 pm
Why do people assume MM tells Turner to hoof the ball?
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:32 pm
Mario Polotelli wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:The facts are we were outplayed yet we still could and maybe should have got something from it. The Campbell chance, the disallowed goal and gunners wasteful effort all should have seen us take the lead at least. We kept them out for 95 mins in total and they are a top 4/5 side having spent >£100m
Eh?
Spurs had countless chances to take the lead.
2 sides to a coin
Just seen the dissalowed goal on Sky and it was the right call. All over him.
It's very difficult to be THAT negative every game and not get wins and keep going. Big bright point today was Odemwingie very good cameo.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:34 pm
Mario Polotelli wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:The facts are we were outplayed yet we still could and maybe should have got something from it. The Campbell chance, the disallowed goal and gunners wasteful effort all should have seen us take the lead at least. We kept them out for 95 mins in total and they are a top 4/5 side having spent >£100m
Eh?
Spurs had countless chances to take the lead.
2 sides to a coin
Just seen the dissalowed goal on Sky and it was the right call. All over him.
Yes they did but didn't take them and Marshall did his job brilliantly. I felt all game their goal was coming yet with about 15 to go I thought we had weathered the storm and we should have scored with Gunnars chance.
It would have been interesting if loris had gone with his handball
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:37 pm
DandoCCFC wrote:Why do people assume MM tells Turner to hoof the ball?
Is there another logical explanation for him to be doing it then?, game after game we lose possession then surely Malky should be telling him to stop?
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:41 pm
I feel it's time to drop Campbell and give someone else a go up front. I know he's isolated but he's looked short of ideas so far this season and he's missed some sitters he'd have buried last year.
Same with Gunnarson, he's missed some sitters and he had absolutely no impact today. Time for Mutch imo
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:43 pm
DandoCCFC wrote:Why do people assume MM tells Turner to hoof the ball?
Is there another logical explanation for him to be doing it then?, game after game we lose possession then surely Malky should be telling him to stop?
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:45 pm
We gotta mark tight, if you let these sides play...they will kill us.
Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:51 pm
Neokutai wrote:DandoCCFC wrote:Why do people assume MM tells Turner to hoof the ball?
Is there another logical explanation for him to be doing it then?, game after game we lose possession then surely Malky should be telling him to stop?
Having options to pass to would help. Often there aren't any
Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:18 am
Mario Polotelli wrote:Neokutai wrote:Mario Polotelli wrote:If he thinks putting 11 men in our half and letting Ben Turner hoof it to their defenders so they can start the attack v defence exercise again is an acceptable tactic at Premier League level then hes not the man for the job.
It's his tactic to play that way, as mentioned in one of my previous topics

Yes I know Ive been one of his biggest critics but was told it was a means to an end last year.
You cant play that way in the PL mun we are like a modern day Wimbledon.
Sad thing is when we got it down and had a go at Spurs when Odemwingie come on we had them under pressure.
Bang on.
Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:48 am
Where has my post gone
The goal was rightly disallowed surely, he started to celebrate as he was still riding on the defenders back
Also id be interested to see a still of the Lloris decision. In real time it looked ok to me, close, but ok. On the line is regarded as in the box so any part of the ball touching the line is ok to handle.
Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:58 am
on a different day we could have shipped 5 or 6 last night, marshall was outstanding.
Having said that, gunnersson and Campbell should both have scored, to miss chances like that are just criminal really.
Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:08 am
RoathMagic wrote:Where has my post gone
The goal was rightly disallowed surely, he started to celebrate as he was still riding on the defenders back
Also id be interested to see a still of the Lloris decision. In real time it looked ok to me, close, but ok. On the line is regarded as in the box so any part of the ball touching the line is ok to handle.
As shown on MOTD last night ball was outside the box but as Shearer said in real time, and no stills, its so close you can understand why the officials didnt give it as you have to be 100%.
Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:17 am
Mario Polotelli wrote:RoathMagic wrote:Where has my post gone
The goal was rightly disallowed surely, he started to celebrate as he was still riding on the defenders back
Also id be interested to see a still of the Lloris decision. In real time it looked ok to me, close, but ok. On the line is regarded as in the box so any part of the ball touching the line is ok to handle.
As shown on MOTD last night ball was outside the box but as Shearer said in real time, and no stills, its so close you can understand why the officials didnt give it as you have to be 100%.
Yep, agree with the big man.
I didnt see MOTD, dont get it out here but i have looked at several gifs and they all look like its still on the line and they are a mixture of real time and slightly slow mo, must have been a matter of milimeters. No way a ref can give that with any certainty especially when the decision has such a massive impact on the game.
Refs are under so much scrutiny in the prem you guys will have to get used to marginal decisions not being given, even some stone wallers. For example, we havent had a penalty since our first season in the prem and we are now in our 3rd!
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