Questions for religious believers?

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1. If Noah had an ark, how did he set the cooling system for the animals that required heat and the others that required cold habitats to live? Bare in mind refrigeration technology wasn't around at this point. That's one hell of a complex zoo/nature reserve he had on board there. Not only this but his boat would have had to have been massive to cater to all of the animal species thus he must have been a structural engineer to ensure the boat did not sink and a master of physics/maths to make sure he could get them all on properly and quickly.

2. Also, if Noah had to build a boat then why didn't God just create one for him like he did with the world in six days?
The only argument that seems logical was it was a Sunday and God was resting and eating his cooked dinner and thought 'sod it', let that bugger Noah build it.


3. How come Mary is the only woman to become pregnant by immaculate conception and only with one child?
It seems to me like God and Mary were taking the Chinese birth policy a little too serious.

4. If God loves everyone as is repeatedly mentioned in the Bible (yes I've read it) then why does he bribe people to follow his ten commandments? God claims to love everyone yet sends them to eternal hell for breaking rules. Astonishing.

5. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect then why did Eve defy him and take the apple from the tree? Surely, had he made her perfect as always is claimed she would have known not to take the apple from the tree. She was clearly not perfect as she could not resist temptation as God wanted and ordered her to do so.

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Some answers from believers would be wonderful. Also, if you haven't read the Bible I highly suggest you do. Its not as good as Lord of the Rings series but its a great fantasy novel nonetheless.

Why mock people's beliefs?

Why mock people's beliefs?

I want to know the answers to the questions. Surely if people believe in something they should be prepared to defend it. I've put forward my logical arguments based on what I know from now. They should be able to counter that surely.

I've just been discussing said topic in another thread. I said to the person in question if you can answer questions and back them up with evidence then I will take it on board. Here's your chance to convince me that religion is something to be taken serious and win me over.

Im being serious. I have read the Bible and I have read other books and why should the Bible be deemed any more non fiction than some other fictional novels? Please answer me that.

I put it to you now that if the bible was from modern times and featured some of the stuff presented in the link below it would be regarded as fantasy. Why is the bible treated differently?

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-monsters-in-the-bible.php

your grandstanding based on very loose knowledge and a basic misunderstanding of the Bible.

Its a question of faith.

I ask again, why are you mocking peoples beliefs?
Just because you dont believe, doesnt mean believers have to justify to you why they believe.

I have friends who are religious but they view the bible and other religious texts as story's, but ones with great morals and lessons. They look at the bible that way, more as a guide, than taking it literally. Talking to them they obviously see the stories, such as Noah and the arc as you exampled, cant be true and don't believe that any of the events happened but take the message and live their life by it.

Faith....

To believe in something without having the evidence to suggest that it happened.

I have friends who are religious but they view the bible and other religious texts as story's, but ones with great morals and lessons. They look at the bible that way, more as a guide, than taking it literally. Talking to them they obviously see the stories, such as Noah and the arc as you exampled, cant be true and don't believe that any of the events happened but take the message and live their life by it.

And do you not think this is dangerous? For example, your friend might be a genuinely nice guy who can take the morals of the text presented in the right way but what if this is read by somebody who is not in the right frame of mind and deducts the wrong teachings from the text in front of him/her? Surely this can be a dangerous thing without a strict definition presented. Many people, as you've just said yourself, take their own teachings from the bible and use it as a guide to help them through life but there are obviously some who interpret such in the wrong way.

Craig, I am not mocking anybody. I am genuinely asking why. You may be a believer, you may not. As someone who thinks logically and not in that way, I am very skeptical person, I want to know how said things are possible if to be true. Why can't it be proven? Thats all I am asking for.

If I said to a structural engineer, 'prove to me how using said loading points means that the building can carry xyz amount of weight' they would, if they were competent at their job be able to explain it to me. All I am asking for is an explanation.

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1. If Noah had an ark, how did he set the cooling system for the animals that required heat and the others that required cold habitats to live? Bare in mind refrigeration technology wasn't around at this point. That's one hell of a complex zoo/nature reserve he had on board there. Not only this but his boat would have had to have been massive to cater to all of the animal species thus he must have been a structural engineer to ensure the boat did not sink and a master of physics/maths to make sure he could get them all on properly and quickly.

2. Also, if Noah had to build a boat then why didn't God just create one for him like he did with the world in six days?
The only argument that seems logical was it was a Sunday and God was resting and eating his cooked dinner and thought 'sod it', let that bugger Noah build it.


3. How come Mary is the only woman to become pregnant by immaculate conception and only with one child?
It seems to me like God and Mary were taking the Chinese birth policy a little too serious.

4. If God loves everyone as is repeatedly mentioned in the Bible (yes I've read it) then why does he bribe people to follow his ten commandments? God claims to love everyone yet sends them to eternal hell for breaking rules. Astonishing.

5. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect then why did Eve defy him and take the apple from the tree? Surely, had he made her perfect as always is claimed she would have known not to take the apple from the tree. She was clearly not perfect as she could not resist temptation as God wanted and ordered her to do so.

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Some answers from believers would be wonderful. Also, if you haven't read the Bible I highly suggest you do. Its not as good as Lord of the Rings series but its a great fantasy novel nonetheless.

All of those questions are pretty easily answered (check out answersingenesis.org if you really want to know but I suspect you are just mocking) but what I want to know is - can you be wrong about everything you claim to know?

If I said to a structural engineer, 'prove to me how using said loading points means that the building can carry xyz amount of weight' they would, if they were competent at their job be able to explain it to me. All I am asking for is an explanation.

When you try and make arguments based upon logic and reason then I expect you to show me where you believe logic and reason comes from. You can't try and use the laws of logic against God when God is the only reasonable explanation for their existence.

Im a non-believer and dont care in the slightest why others believe as its entirely up to them.

Its like if somebody asks me why I support CCFC, answer is I dont know, I just do. Or when the Mrs says "why are you getting so worked up, its only football" again, logically there is no real reason, I just do.

Your OP came across as a piss-take so if that wasnt the case my apologies.

Most religions are not to be taken literally, a guide line if you like.
Alot of meaning gets lost in translation (plus who ever translates might like to put their own spin on things).
Blind faith, a sense of worth, wanting to belong and cared for also play a big part

If I said to a structural engineer, 'prove to me how using said loading points means that the building can carry xyz amount of weight' they would, if they were competent at their job be able to explain it to me. All I am asking for is an explanation.[/quote]

A structural engineer would make a balls of it, they're all "project managers" now anyway. As to your question, think of a number, double it, then multiply by 1.2 for dead load, 1.4 for live load. That is for buildings only, anything remotely complicated is designed by Civil Engineers.

Religion is like socialism, those who believe, believe strongly and try to "convert" normal folk, leave them to it. Compare it to say a freshly laid dog turd, if not disturbed it doesn't smell too much or create too much of a nuisance, step on it or otherwise disturb it and it will create an almighty stink and cause other bother such as annoying female companions when one washes ones shoes in the sink without removing the plates and stuff to dishwasher.

Im a non-believer and dont care in the slightest why others believe as its entirely up to them.

Its like if somebody asks me why I support CCFC, answer is I dont know, I just do. Or when the Mrs says "why are you getting so worked up, its only football" again, logically there is no real reason, I just do.

Your OP came across as a piss-take so if that wasnt the case my apologies.

I am the complete opposite to you. If I get worked up over the footy there is a reason. Either a player has done something stupid, we are playing poor but there's always justification for why I am angry. Why do I get worked up over football? Its a sport I love and the team I follow passionately. Why do I follow them? Because they are my home town and I want them to do well. I have answers to explain everything I believe in or get emotional over.

Im a non-believer and dont care in the slightest why others believe as its entirely up to them.

Its like if somebody asks me why I support CCFC, answer is I dont know, I just do. Or when the Mrs says "why are you getting so worked up, its only football" again, logically there is no real reason, I just do.

Your OP came across as a piss-take so if that wasnt the case my apologies.

I am the complete opposite to you. If I get worked up over the footy there is a reason. Either a player has done something stupid, we are playing poor but there's always justification for why I am angry. Why do I get worked up over football? Its a sport I love and the team I follow passionately. Why do I follow them? Because they are my home town and I want them to do well. I have answers to explain everything I believe in or get emotional over.

Even in your response there you are simply 'begging the question'. Why do you love football so much?

Im a non-believer and dont care in the slightest why others believe as its entirely up to them.

Its like if somebody asks me why I support CCFC, answer is I dont know, I just do. Or when the Mrs says "why are you getting so worked up, its only football" again, logically there is no real reason, I just do.

Your OP came across as a piss-take so if that wasnt the case my apologies.

I am the complete opposite to you. If I get worked up over the footy there is a reason. Either a player has done something stupid, we are playing poor but there's always justification for why I am angry. Why do I get worked up over football? Its a sport I love and the team I follow passionately. Why do I follow them? Because they are my home town and I want them to do well. I have answers to explain everything I believe in or get emotional over.

Even in your response there you are simply 'begging the question'. Why do you love football so much?

thats where he goes wrong and is not logical a 4 year old could destroy his argument by just reapeating one word over and over again WHY?

Even in your response there you are simply 'begging the question'. Why do you love football so much?

Because its a sport and I enjoy watching it. Its a good form of entertainment. Its not religious and I wouldn't go out of my way for it though or put my life out for it.

Religious people do. Plus football exists and thats a proven fact. I have given you an answer as to why I love football. Its there, I can see it, it exists, I watch it and I enjoy it. If it didn't exist then I wouldn't. Why? Because it wouldn't exist.

I've given you my answer. Why do you follow a religion? and no its not the same. Entertainment was my answer. I highly doubt anybody follows a religion for entertainment purposes.

Why just pick on Christianity? Jews and Muslims worship the same God?

Im a non-believer and dont care in the slightest why others believe as its entirely up to them.

Its like if somebody asks me why I support CCFC, answer is I dont know, I just do. Or when the Mrs says "why are you getting so worked up, its only football" again, logically there is no real reason, I just do.

Your OP came across as a piss-take so if that wasnt the case my apologies.

I am the complete opposite to you. If I get worked up over the footy there is a reason. Either a player has done something stupid, we are playing poor but there's always justification for why I am angry. Why do I get worked up over football? Its a sport I love and the team I follow passionately. Why do I follow them? Because they are my home town and I want them to do well. I have answers to explain everything I believe in or get emotional over.

Even in your response there you are simply 'begging the question'. Why do you love football so much?

thats where he goes wrong and is not logical a 4 year old could destroy his argument by just reapeating one word over and over again WHY?

I'm disappointed he hasn't responded to my question - I was looking forward to his answer!!

I've done a fair bit of Bible teaching and I know that some of the youngest people I have taught (even unbelievers) would be able to answer some of the initial five questions!!

but what if this is read by somebody who is not in the right frame of mind and deducts the wrong teachings from the text in front of him/her?

if someone isn't in the right frame of mind they are going to act how they act anyway, people who say 'god told me to kill' were always going to kill, they just happen to have an excuse to justify to themselves. If it wasn't religion id would just be something else. I don't see religion as a problem it is the people who use religion to their own selfish designs

people who say 'god told me to kill' were always going to kill

On what basis do you prove that? There's nothing to support this at all. No evidence.

Even in your response there you are simply 'begging the question'. Why do you love football so much?

Because its a sport and I enjoy watching it. Its a good form of entertainment. Its not religious and I wouldn't go out of my way for it though or put my life out for it.

Religious people do. Plus football exists and thats a proven fact. I have given you an answer as to why I love football. Its there, I can see it, it exists, I watch it and I enjoy it. If it didn't exist then I wouldn't. Why? Because it wouldn't exist.

I've given you my answer. Why do you follow a religion? and no its not the same. Entertainment was my answer. I highly doubt anybody follows a religion for entertainment purposes.

Begging the question again - Why do you enjoy watching it?

Can I ask you again - can you be wrong about everything you claim to know? i.e. can something you don't know contradict something you think you know.

I am a Christian because at the age of 17, God made Himself known to me very clearly, I sought out answers to my own questions, realised that Christianity was true. Now I know that without God I couldn't know anything, and neither could you, because He is the only reasonable explanation for the universal, unchanging and immaterial laws that govern the universe, such as the laws of logic.

I'm disappointed he hasn't responded to my question - I was looking forward to his answer!!

I've done a fair bit of Bible teaching and I know that some of the youngest people I have taught (even unbelievers) would be able to answer some of the initial five questions!!

I have further up actually.

Im a non-believer and dont care in the slightest why others believe as its entirely up to them.

Its like if somebody asks me why I support CCFC, answer is I dont know, I just do. Or when the Mrs says "why are you getting so worked up, its only football" again, logically there is no real reason, I just do.

Your OP came across as a piss-take so if that wasnt the case my apologies.

I am the complete opposite to you. If I get worked up over the footy there is a reason. Either a player has done something stupid, we are playing poor but there's always justification for why I am angry. Why do I get worked up over football? Its a sport I love and the team I follow passionately. Why do I follow them? Because they are my home town and I want them to do well. I have answers to explain everything I believe in or get emotional over.

Even in your response there you are simply 'begging the question'. Why do you love football so much?

thats where he goes wrong and is not logical a 4 year old could destroy his argument by just reapeating one word over and over again WHY?

I'm disappointed he hasn't responded to my question - I was looking forward to his answer!!

I've done a fair bit of Bible teaching and I know that some of the youngest people I have taught (even unbelievers) would be able to answer some of the initial five questions!!

which in my opinion just about sums up his vast knowledge of the bible based on the questions hes asked, there are a lot more challenging questions than Noahs Ark.

people who say 'god told me to kill' were always going to kill

On what basis do you prove that? There's nothing to support this at all. No evidence.

Pretty much 100% of the time there are psychotic elements at work and 'religion' (in their cases they don't actually believe anything the religion they claim to follow actually believes) is just a shield to hide behind.

Pretty much 100% of the time there are psychotic elements at work and 'religion' (in their cases they don't actually believe anything the religion they claim to follow actually believes) is just a shield to hide behind.

exactly its like when video games get the blame in a murder, or a tv show. They don't promote violence but unfortunately there are some psychotic people out there who want to kill and use it as inspiration. In the hands of a perfectly sane individual no third party media (video games,movies and even religion) is going to make someone turn around and say 'im going yo kill someone'

Begging the question again - Why do you enjoy watching it?

Because my DNA and environment I grew up in made me the person I am today. Thats why. I grew up playing football and watching it and then after that I started watching more and enjoyed it. It was just normal for me to do so. But it exists. Its there for me to see in a physical form.

Does football exist or not? Yes it does.
Does God exist or not? No proof whatsoever.

Therein lies the difference. Im not claiming to enjoy something that don't exist.

Can I ask you again - can you be wrong about everything you claim to know? i.e. can something you don't know contradict something you think you know.

Of course you can. The Higgs Bosom, at CERN, is a perfect example of something undiscovered contradicting what had already been found. I am not denying that but there are far too many contradictions in the bible itself let alone the other lot of illogical points.

God made Himself known to me very clearly

How? You've never seen him and that is a fact. Delusional.

because He is the only reasonable explanation for the universal, unchanging and immaterial laws that govern the universe, such as the laws of logic.

Nonsense. Logic is based on the foundations of maths and physics - a lot discovered, a lot undiscovered - but that is something being worked on all the time with new discoveries being made.

As for the laws that make up the universe, a lot of which is actually undiscovered, thats also nonsense. Earth is habitable because of the ecosystem present thats a product of natural occurrences and nothing else.

Pretty much 100% of the time there are psychotic elements at work and 'religion' (in their cases they don't actually believe anything the religion they claim to follow actually believes) is just a shield to hide behind.

exactly its like when video games get the blame in a murder, or a tv show. They don't promote violence but unfortunately there are some psychotic people out there who want to kill and use it as inspiration. In the hands of a perfectly sane individual no third party media (video games,movies and even religion) is going to make someone turn around and say 'im going yo kill someone'

Religion is a far more powerful tool than a video game. You don't get taught about video games at school, told to respect video games, any responsible adult would only give a certain rated game to a person old enough yet kids are taken to Churches and Mosques early on and brought up that way. You also don't get taken to a place to worship video games.

Comparing such is ridiculous.

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which in my opinion just about sums up his vast knowledge of the bible based on the questions hes asked, there are a lot more challenging questions than Noahs Ark.

Yet you can't even answer any of them.

How did Noah build the ark then? How did he provide shelter for all of the species of animals? Tell me please and prove it with factual information.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 58046.html

Not surprising this study really. Some of the responses on this thread back the study up tenfold.

I am a Christian because at the age of 17, God made Himself known to me very clearly, I sought out answers to my own questions, realised that Christianity was true. Now I know that without God I couldn't know anything, and neither could you, because He is the only reasonable explanation for the universal, unchanging and immaterial laws that govern the universe, such as the laws of logic.

Your "god" is fat lady with saggy tits and a fanny the size of a horses collar. He, my arse, all religious folk are seriously deluded. No I'm not the devil, evil, a head case or a swansea supporter, just one of the millions of normal people who couldn't give a shit about your fairy stories.

The Life of Brain is actually a documentary not a film