BINGE DRINKING PROBLEMS

This mornings news topic, the Government are pushing again for raising the cost of alcohol and charging people for getting treated if they are drunk etc.

f**k me, why don't they just come clean and admit they have lost out so much revenue on fags, and they are closing so many pubs and losing revenue from those And they need to get more back of the common people.

People are doing their own thing and buying cans or bottles and drinking at home or slamming into it in the house before going clubbing etc. And this isn't bringing them in enough tax, how dare they enjoy themselves on the cheap.

Let's be honest it is part of life, young people always have and always will in a lot of cases want to get high in some way, it,s part of growing up and a passage of life for many.

The people who stand to gain the most from this if they price drinks off the scale are the drug sellers, kids up here are doing their box in for a tenners worth of meow meow and the like and risking their lives because it's cheaper.

Support the pubs, get the kids drinking back in a controlled environment among older people to learn the rights of passage, when I was that age if you acted like a knob in the local pub, one of the regulars would soon put you in your place.

I hate the hypocrisy of this Government with their righteous attitude, let's put your cards on the table, you want to hit the working classes even more than at present and punish them for letting their hair down however it suits them.
Go to work,help the economy and behave like all the other ex public schoolboys and keep your sins and naughty sides well hidden from the media, oh yes matron, another whack please.

doesn't alcohol pricing come under health so which Government are you talking about..?

doesn't alcohol pricing come under health so which Government are you talking about..?

Alcohol pricing come under health, so you can get it under prescription now?
What are you on about.

doesn't alcohol pricing come under health so which Government are you talking about..?

Alcohol pricing come under health, so you can get it under prescription now?
What are you on about.

Well it comes across as you are on about the Westminister Tory Government because of the way you worded your comment. However alcohol pricing comes under health and health is a devoled issue so in Wales the Welsh Government make that decision.

Of cours they want to increase the cost to bring in more revenue through tax, the reality is the problems we have are NOTHING to do with price. The fact is we try to stop kids drinking so as soon as they are 18 they go out and get smashed where as countries like France give kids wine watered down at an early age so it's no big deal to them when they turn 18.

Hold on a minute Gwyn whilst like you I lament the fact that the pubs are going to the wall I'd be more inclined to blame it on the smoking ban and cheap supermarket booze.You could argue the fact that supermarket booze is so cheap that they must take some of the blame for the drinking culture amongst the young of today.Another sad fact is that the booze culture is costing the NHS far more than fags or cancer and I wouldn't be against people that abuse the system on a regular basis being charged for the privilege.Its a bit like the way insurance companies charge young drivers(17to25s)a fortune for their insurance because most of them are dickhead muppets that spoil it for the rest of us.I'm not trying to preach to the youngsters here as they do what they like anyway all I'm saying is why should we pick up the tab.

Hold on a minute Gwyn whilst like you I lament the fact that the pubs are going to the wall I'd be more inclined to blame it on the smoking ban and cheap supermarket booze.You could argue the fact that supermarket booze is so cheap that they must take some of the blame for the drinking culture amongst the young of today.Another sad fact is that the booze culture is costing the NHS far more than fags or cancer and I wouldn't be against people that abuse the system on a regular basis being charged for the privilege.Its a bit like the way insurance companies charge young drivers(17to25s)a fortune for their insurance because most of them are dickhead muppets that spoil it for the rest of us.I'm not trying to preach to the youngsters here as they do what they like anyway all I'm saying is why should we pick up the tab.

You missing my point a bit,what I'm saying is since the smoking ban in pubs, firstly it has hit the pub business big time, so the revenue and taxes that pub made aren't finding their way through to Government coffers.
The money they made from revenue such as taxes on fags and pub drinks more than paid for the costs that go with it.

Because the kids are getting tanked up on supermarket cheap booze, the revenue to the Government is much less, and in my opinion there is more anti social behavior coz the kids are drinking out on the streets around mates houses with no supervision and out of control.

Now when I managed to start getting in pubs about sixteen, I would behave and try to act grown up, one to keep my privileges, and two I'd have smack off one of the older blokes if i played up, big learning curve, and also you learnt it wasn't big and hard or impressing the older ones if you were falling about spewing up everywhere.

When they drink out and about, they are bound to show off and act up, but without any adults there to keep an eye on things.

In my eyes they should support pubs, get people back in them, encourage community, allow smoking rooms in pubs and get back on track.
(f**k me, i'm sounding like my father now)

doesn't alcohol pricing come under health so which Government are you talking about..?

Alcohol pricing come under health, so you can get it under prescription now?
What are you on about.

Well it comes across as you are on about the Westminister Tory Government because of the way you worded your comment. However alcohol pricing comes under health and health is a devoled issue so in Wales the Welsh Government make that decision.

So these new ideas they are banding about, fines for being drunk, extra tax on drink etc, all come under the auspices of the health minister, and therefor governed by wales not central.

You really are dull, aren't you.Free speech rules hey Ad.

doesn't alcohol pricing come under health so which Government are you talking about..?

Alcohol pricing come under health, so you can get it under prescription now?
What are you on about.

Well it comes across as you are on about the Westminister Tory Government because of the way you worded your comment. However alcohol pricing comes under health and health is a devoled issue so in Wales the Welsh Government make that decision.

So these new ideas they are banding about, fines for being drunk, extra tax on drink etc, all come under the auspices of the health minister, and therefor governed by wales not central.

You really are dull, aren't you.Free speech rules hey Ad.

You really have no idea do you!!!!

Anything to do with health like this kind of idea is made in the Welsh Assembly, they may well take on the idea too but its the same situation with Scotland!!! These added taxes have already been done in Scotland by the Scottish Parliament but are not yet done anywhere else in the UK.

Gwyn listen fella dont ever run for election as an MP or AM or any form of government......because with crazy common sense ides like this you will never get elected.......

Gwyn listen fella dont ever run for election as an MP or AM or any form of government......because with crazy common sense ides like this you will never get elected.......

I think he should educate himself to which areas are devolved first!!! As he was clearly having a pop at the Westminister Tory Government when it the Labour Welsh Government who look after issues like this!!!

Alcohol is far too expensive... Over £2 for a bottle in most supermarkets now... I've been in Spain where you can buy a can of decent beer for 50p and it's not full of pissheads in Spain despite these prices

Gwyn is talking common sense as he always does.if only he had done this in his love life he would be a rich man today ha ha sorry gwyn.

Gwyn is talking common sense as he always does.if only he had done this in his love life he would be a rich man today ha ha sorry gwyn.

This mornings news topic, the Government are pushing again for raising the cost of alcohol and charging people for getting treated if they are drunk etc.

f**k me, why don't they just come clean and admit they have lost out so much revenue on fags, and they are closing so many pubs and losing revenue from those And they need to get more back of the common people.

People are doing their own thing and buying cans or bottles and drinking at home or slamming into it in the house before going clubbing etc. And this isn't bringing them in enough tax, how dare they enjoy themselves on the cheap.

Let's be honest it is part of life, young people always have and always will in a lot of cases want to get high in some way, it,s part of growing up and a passage of life for many.

The people who stand to gain the most from this if they price drinks off the scale are the drug sellers, kids up here are doing their box in for a tenners worth of meow meow and the like and risking their lives because it's cheaper.

Support the pubs, get the kids drinking back in a controlled environment among older people to learn the rights of passage, when I was that age if you acted like a knob in the local pub, one of the regulars would soon put you in your place.

I hate the hypocrisy of this Government with their righteous attitude, let's put your cards on the table, you want to hit the working classes even more than at present and punish them for letting their hair down however it suits them.
Go to work,help the economy and behave like all the other ex public schoolboys and keep your sins and naughty sides well hidden from the media, oh yes matron, another whack please.

Well said, that man

doesn't alcohol pricing come under health so which Government are you talking about..?

Alcohol pricing come under health, so you can get it under prescription now?
What are you on about.

Ha ha .. Now that sounds like a policy I would vote on

Gwyn is talking common sense as he always does.if only he had done this in his love life he would be a rich man today ha ha sorry gwyn.

How can it be common sense when hes talking about the wrong Government..?

The problem is that the three main parties are all for the smoking ban an raising alcohol prices because it doesn't affect them. They have a bar where they can smoke for security reasons and the alcohol is subsidized. The only one who talks sense on the issue is Nigel Farage of UKIP. May be something to do with the fact that he smokes like a trooper and drinks like a fish.

100 % backing for the big man - well written sir.

f*cking hell theres a worry that monay people on this topic don't dont what areas the Welsh Government are in charge of yet I bet many of you voted to have a Welsh Government in Cardiff Bay!!!!!

f*cking hell theres a worry that monay people on this topic don't dont what areas the Welsh Government are in charge of yet I bet many of you voted to have a Welsh Government in Cardiff Bay!!!!!

You do make us laff fair play. So what you are getting at, is if the Central Government put up the unit cost of aclohol, because of the link to alcohol and health, you reckon the Welsh Government can make their own rules and prices up.

So in effect you may have alcohol either a lot cheaper or dearer depending on which side of the severn bridge you live, or shop in

I can see customs soon on every road , bridge, airport and port, scuse me sir, have you been buying booze in Wales, let me have a look in the boot of your car.

I say smokers and binge drinkers that pay taxes and national insurance get treatment on the NHS and the shirkers that don't work or contribute to society but can still afford booze and fags on dole money and get ill from booze and fags go to the back of the queue.Only fair.

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That is right!!! Its already happening in Scotland because they have put their own tax on alcohol: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/ ... ith-money/

Gwyn if you want to debate current affairs then do yourself a favour and research the issue FFS!!!

In fact the Welsh Government even threatened to do such a thing in the past: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ol-1926109

That is right!!! Its already happening in Scotland because they have put their own tax on alcohol: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/ ... ith-money/

Gwyn if you want to debate current affairs then do yourself a favour and research the issue FFS!!!

In fact the Welsh Government even threatened to do such a thing in the past: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ol-1926109

This link is from the Welsh Government website itself when Edwina Hart proposed it back then: http://wales.gov.uk/about/cabinet/cabin ... l/?lang=en

That is right!!! Its already happening in Scotland because they have put their own tax on alcohol: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/ ... ith-money/

Gwyn if you want to debate current affairs then do yourself a favour and research the issue FFS!!!

In fact the Welsh Government even threatened to do such a thing in the past: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ol-1926109

This link is from the Welsh Government website itself when Edwina Hart proposed it back then: http://wales.gov.uk/about/cabinet/cabin ... l/?lang=en

Missed the important bit though didn't you She said to AMs: “The Welsh Assembly Government has worked very hard to tackle alcohol misuse using all the means at its disposal and will continue to do so. But it is important that we do not ignore the evidence that making alcohol a little less affordable has the potential to significantly reduce the blight of alcohol misuse on our society.

“And I am very clear that if we do not see the action we want at UK level very soon, then the time will come when we seek more powers to act ourselves.”

BMA Welsh secretary Richard Lewis applauded Mrs Hart’s stance and urged her to seek the powers “sooner rather than late

That is right!!! Its already happening in Scotland because they have put their own tax on alcohol: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/ ... ith-money/

Gwyn if you want to debate current affairs then do yourself a favour and research the issue FFS!!!

In fact the Welsh Government even threatened to do such a thing in the past: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ol-1926109

This link is from the Welsh Government website itself when Edwina Hart proposed it back then: http://wales.gov.uk/about/cabinet/cabin ... l/?lang=en

Missed the important bit though didn't you She said to AMs: “The Welsh Assembly Government has worked very hard to tackle alcohol misuse using all the means at its disposal and will continue to do so. But it is important that we do not ignore the evidence that making alcohol a little less affordable has the potential to significantly reduce the blight of alcohol misuse on our society.

“And I am very clear that if we do not see the action we want at UK level very soon, then the time will come when we seek more powers to act ourselves.”

BMA Welsh secretary Richard Lewis applauded Mrs Hart’s stance and urged her to seek the powers “sooner rather than late

I knew you would fall into that trap Gwyn!!!!

Can you tell me what happened in Wales on 3rd March 2011 which was after that statement and proposal was made..?

Yes there was a referendum!!!! and the people of Wales voted for more powers which like Scotland includes putting an individual tax on alcohol if required!!!!

Tell me Gwyn did you vote in that referendum and if so, did you actually know what you were voting for..?



So Gwyn I'll ask you again, what Government are you having a pop at in your OP...?

That is right!!! Its already happening in Scotland because they have put their own tax on alcohol: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/ ... ith-money/

Gwyn if you want to debate current affairs then do yourself a favour and research the issue FFS!!!

In fact the Welsh Government even threatened to do such a thing in the past: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ol-1926109

This link is from the Welsh Government website itself when Edwina Hart proposed it back then: http://wales.gov.uk/about/cabinet/cabin ... l/?lang=en

Missed the important bit though didn't you She said to AMs: “The Welsh Assembly Government has worked very hard to tackle alcohol misuse using all the means at its disposal and will continue to do so. But it is important that we do not ignore the evidence that making alcohol a little less affordable has the potential to significantly reduce the blight of alcohol misuse on our society.

“And I am very clear that if we do not see the action we want at UK level very soon, then the time will come when we seek more powers to act ourselves.”

BMA Welsh secretary Richard Lewis applauded Mrs Hart’s stance and urged her to seek the powers “sooner rather than late

I knew you would fall into that trap Gwyn!!!!

Can you tell me what happened in Wales on 3rd March 2011 which was after that statement and proposal was made..?

Yes there was a referendum!!!! and the people of Wales voted for more powers which like Scotland includes putting an individual tax on alcohol if required!!!!

Tell me Gwyn did you vote in that referendum and if so, did you actually know what you were voting for..?




And in truth it isn't about taxes, it's about the Government putting pressure on the Supermarkets to charge more per unit of alcohol.

So Gwyn I'll ask you again, what Government are you having a pop at in your OP...?

Oh help me help me, I have fallen into an Adam Brown trap. Sharper than a razor, quicker than a bee, we are not worthy oh failed one.


There is only one Government Adam, you must know who they are you had 0.56% of the electorate in you arae decide they wanted you to represent them.
f**k me, there must have been people in your own family that couldn't be bothered to vote for you, go away Adam, and prepare for Government.

Gwyn just admit you are out of your depth on Current Affairs and been beaten by the better man

Gwyn just admit you are out of your depth on Current Affairs and been beaten by the better man

My OP stated that the Government were looking at the drinking problem, didn't realise that when stating this we had to mention which Government, what powers they had, who voted for who and basically, where they were base, which department is responsible for what tax or law, who gives a f**k. I think politics interest me as much as football interest you.

The thing I think we both have in common is neither of us have enough knowledge of Politics that appeals to voters, the difference being you had the chance to actually have that proven to you.

Gwyn just admit you are out of your depth on Current Affairs and been beaten by the better man

My OP stated that the Government were looking at the drinking problem, didn't realise that when stating this we had to mention which Government, what powers they had, who voted for who and basically, where they were base, which department is responsible for what tax or law, who gives a f**k. I think politics interest me as much as football interest you.

The thing I think we both have in common is neither of us have enough knowledge of Politics that appeals to voters, the difference being you had the chance to actually have that proven to you.

Gwyn stop digging the hole will you FFS!!! In the OP you mentioned 'Public schoolboys' as you were trying to joke about the Westminister Government, then throughout the topic you've tried to say that Westminister would be in control of a Drinking Tax in Wales and even tried to joke about customs questioning people when on the boarder. Yet when I prove that the scheme is already set-up in Scotland and before the referendum Welsh Labour provided some soundbites but yet now they've actually got the power nothings been done!!! but noe you are now trying to say that you never stated any particular Government in the first place!!!! Answer me this Gwyn, are there any public schoolboys are in the Welsh Government..?

Out of your depth and whats more worrying is that people were agreeing with your completely incorrect rant!!! I tell you what while you are at it why don't you have apop at the Westminister Government for Amercias gunlaws because they have as much influence with them as they do with Welsh drinking taxes!!!!!