National Service

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

Worked with a lad from Finland where national service was in place . He had no qualms about it and was a very tidy lad . Think it's a good idea .

National service is great in theory.

Unfortunately, the reality is that our armed forces haven't got the time or the resources to babysit a load of wasters who don't want to be there.

National service is great in theory.

Unfortunately, the reality is that our armed forces haven't got the time or the resources to babysit a load of wasters who don't want to be there.

Keep them separated so NS is more like a work experience camp. I agree the military is far too technical with its skilled roles now to be babysitting others but then you can employ ex service personnel to train people. Everyone gets a year of training to become a more rounded individual and help the transition from being a youngster to an adult.

University was not just education for me. I learnt how to iron, cook, clean and live independently, that money don't grow on trees, budgeting, networking with others, etc. Its a life learning curve. With the school system focusing on academia there should be something that provides an alternative otherwise we're having people coming out not ready for the ways of the world.

Others just cant be bothered and are happy for a life on benefits. People who refuse to give national service to the country should not be treated as criminals, they should just be told 'you will not be entitled to the benefits of this country. Give to give something back'. Why should a country look after those who are unwilling to give back to it? Like taxpayers on here have said, they pay for the likes of me up front to go to university until I've paid my loans back. No problem giving something back.

I have no problem coming out of university, doing a year of unpaid work for basic necessities, food and shelter etc. before going into the real world and trying to get a job. If anything it only enhances my CV and will provide me with more skills and things to get by.

Whilst being paid would be wonderful doing something is better than doing nothing and getting stuck in a rut which only then looks more negative when you do go for a job because employers want to know why there's a massive period of 'nothing' on your CV.

Thats a problem plenty are facing in todays highly skilled market.

NS is a great idea but unfortunately there is so much political correctness overload that discipline has greatly changed within the armed forces. We also no longer have the money to babysit teenagers for 2 years in an attempt to teach them morals etc.
Parents need to step up to the plate more.....never mind relying on an organisation to do it for them

I think if your not in full time education or employment it should be mandatory.

The military offer the opportunity to gain a unique skill set, but for me the bottom line is that the person has to want to be there and be prepared to buy into what they're being taught.

In my experience the vast majority of our young people don't have the mental strength or aptitude to complete a diluted NS program and to top it off I don't see our armed forces accepting responsibility for them either.

They've got far bigger issues than babysitting civilian wasters.

That's my opinion.

There's a few ex-servicemen on here. It'd be interesting to read their views.

Last edited by NeathBlue on Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Double post.

It's a no-brainer If you ask me and would solve a lot of the country's problems.

I am x-service. Agree with you, the person has to want to be there. The attitude and approach of youngsters these days is far different from what it was 20 years ago etc. I know I sound like an old fart but the forces would not be allowed to administer the "discipline" that alot of youth need.
this is why I think parents need to step up to the plate much much more

just climbing down off my soap box

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

Worked with a lad from Finland where national service was in place . He had no qualms about it and was a very tidy lad . Think it's a good idea .

the germans do it john.or did.i was talking to some on the kibbutz in israel 20 year ago.they could do stuff like help the old people ,hospitals etc.in fact a lot of things absolutely nothing to do with guns and the like.all of them enjoyed it and spoke well of the experience.funny enough the germans have a lot of respect for their country and people who live in it.

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

Worked with a lad from Finland where national service was in place . He had no qualms about it and was a very tidy lad . Think it's a good idea .

the germans do it john.or did.i was talking to some on the kibbutz in israel 20 year ago.they could do stuff like help the old people ,hospitals etc.in fact a lot of things absolutely nothing to do with guns and the like.all of them enjoyed it and spoke well of the experience.funny enough the germans have a lot of respect for their country and people who live in it.

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

Worked with a lad from Finland where national service was in place . He had no qualms about it and was a very tidy lad . Think it's a good idea .

the germans do it john.or did.i was talking to some on the kibbutz in israel 20 year ago.they could do stuff like help the old people ,hospitals etc.in fact a lot of things absolutely nothing to do with guns and the like.all of them enjoyed it and spoke well of the experience.funny enough the germans have a lot of respect for their country and people who live in it.

I understand this is a TV show but i'm convinced this would be the way NS would go in the vast majority of cases.

Particularly if NS was aimed at the wasters we've produced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oaDqmJlQyg

f**k fighting phoney wars for the bitter and old. There's plenty of other ways to teach discipline and respect than murdering innocent from foreign countries!
You say about how there's plenty of graduates going for jobs what's wrong with competition? surely we should be encouraging education?

I think there should be a version of national service that involves helping the community. Be it cleaning and making the towns and cities up to scratch, helping the older generation be it in care homes or just doing there shopping etc. It's not all about army training, I know I a good few people who have been there and done that, it hasn't helped and some haven't come back...
I would rather we encourage a work ethic again. Anyone on income support should be encouraged to help out with things maybe at an increased benifit package.
I would like to make it clear, I'm 23 years old, I currently work two jobs, one involves me starting at 4am so that I can warm a wage. I'm also a graduate.
I think a big problem with society now is the massive unemploymen and an excess of free time.

f**k fighting phoney wars for the bitter and old. There's plenty of other ways to teach discipline and respect than murdering innocent from foreign countries!
You say about how there's plenty of graduates going for jobs what's wrong with competition? surely we should be encouraging education?

Sorry pal but its not all National Service in the military. You've jumped the gun here. Look up the latest information in regards to the bill put forward.

Its helping the community, charity work, etc. as well.

Competition is good but then what about the people with no degrees who don't even get a look in? There's companies that won't even look at grads with a 2:2 nevermind someone without a degree. As more people get qualified those unqualified get pushed further down the ladder.

Yes there is an emphasis on apprenticeships but they won't work for everyone. There needs to be something compulsory people can be a part of, feel a sense of belonging and to avoid getting stuck in a rut.

Just had a good read from the links, just scanned in the beginning my bad.
Good incentive on the face of it, a load of people will probably end up working for f**k all just like some of the new dole schemes, practically slave labour if you ask me, with no incentives what so ever.
Can understand how it must feel for people with degrees are out of work especially when some places don't employ because of people being 'over qualified'
Countries going down the pan an it'll take a lot more than no pay, government/public sector jobs to sort it out...

Just had a good read from the links, just scanned in the beginning my bad.
Good incentive on the face of it, a load of people will probably end up working for f**k all just like some of the new dole schemes, practically slave labour if you ask me, with no incentives what so ever.
Can understand how it must feel for people with degrees are out of work especially when some places don't employ because of people being 'over qualified'
Countries going down the pan an it'll take a lot more than no pay, government/public sector jobs to sort it out...

How is it slave labour if it keeps a roof over your head, clothes on your back and food on your table? They're the necessities and people should have no problem working in receipt for benefits. The expectancy culture in this country is disgusting and people should be fortunate they don't live in times whereby if you didn't wake up at 6am and look after your own keep you starve to death. I've been to Bulgaria plenty of times mate and they are hard working people and if they don't put the effort in, they and their families don't get by. No benefits to fall back on at all.

I completely agree with you as far as people should be, perhaps even forced, to get by without benefits. Living in Port Talbot I've grown up to see the detrimental effect the dole has, which I think ties into your 'expectancy' culture we seem to have in this country.
But I also don't agree in working for the government to provide you with your house food clothes etc, being reliant on the government is no way to live... And that in effect is slave labour, might not be concentration camp style but it's still slave labour.
I can imagine how the Eastern Europeans, such as the Bulgarians you mention, being more eager and motivated to work...again I think that ties into the culture we have in this country. Easy to see why many business, large and small, are increasingly looking to those types of people.

People who have been on the dole for over a certain amount of time should be told they have to do this or lose their benefits but that should be for all ages not just younger people. It shouldn't be complusory either just linked to benefits. Many young people don't even need this because of good parenting so why should they get punished for the idiots who can't raise their own children to have respect etc. I also have my own plans and wouldn't want to waste a year of my life doing this when there's much more important things I could be doing with my time. I wonder if people would have the choice of where they did the volunteering or if some would be forced into the military. I'd move abroad or get a criminal record before doing this.

we've gone too far now too many distractions, phones gadgits games social lives.
its not like it was in the 50's

we'v gone past being able to fix the descending problem.
we would need a whole scale transformation to sort this lot out. Also we cant just tar everyone with the same brush we are all here on seperate journeys not to become a society of militant mens men

we've gone too far now too many distractions, phones gadgits games social lives.
its not like it was in the 50's

we'v gone past being able to fix the descending problem.
we would need a whole scale transformation to sort this lot out. Also we cant just tar everyone with the same brush we are all here on seperate journeys not to become a society of militant mens men

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

Would it be voluntary or like Turkey and Poland where it's the law to do National Service?

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

Would it be voluntary or like Turkey and Poland where it's the law to do National Service?

its a bill so if its bought forward and accepted it will become law so it will be compulsory

get a criminal record before doing this.

Which would then scupper your employment chances further down the line so thats a daft idea.

Would it be voluntary or like Turkey and Poland where it's the law to do National Service?

its a bill so if its bought forward and accepted it will become law so it will be compulsory[/quote]

Yes but its not just military national service. People seem to think it is without reading the info.

Its working for charities, helping with caring and stuff like that. You don't have to go and do it in the military. Its a great idea that will help loads of people not only boost their CV's but will help those struggling gain a foothold from whereby they can push on.

NS is a great idea but unfortunately there is so much political correctness overload that discipline has greatly changed within the armed forces. We also no longer have the money to babysit teenagers for 2 years in an attempt to teach them morals etc.
Parents need to step up to the plate more.....never mind relying on an organisation to do it for them

That was I was waiting to post on the outcome of the post I posted above.

Political correctness would yet again rear it's ugly head.

If it was mandatory then you'd have Muslims being excluded from it on religious beliefs then the rest would have to enroll whether they liked it or not then why should one minority be excluded?

If it was down to the individual then no one would enroll as it'll be to hard work.

Would it be voluntary or like Turkey and Poland where it's the law to do National Service?

its a bill so if its bought forward and accepted it will become law so it will be compulsory

Yes but its not just military national service. People seem to think it is without reading the info.

Its working for charities, helping with caring and stuff like that. You don't have to go and do it in the military. Its a great idea that will help loads of people not only boost their CV's but will help those struggling gain a foothold from whereby they can push on.[/quote]


Read the post above.

NS is a great idea but unfortunately there is so much political correctness overload that discipline has greatly changed within the armed forces. We also no longer have the money to babysit teenagers for 2 years in an attempt to teach them morals etc.
Parents need to step up to the plate more.....never mind relying on an organisation to do it for them

That was I was waiting to post on the outcome of the post I posted above.

Political correctness would yet again rear it's ugly head.

If it was mandatory then you'd have Muslims being excluded from it on religious beliefs then the rest would have to enroll whether they liked it or not then why should one minority be excluded?

If it was down to the individual then no one would enroll as it'll be to hard work.

why would musims be excluded?