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' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:00 pm

I am glad we never backed the USA in Syria and once again become their puppets. :thumbup:

Who else is glad we never went to war again?


I also thought this speech by George Galloway was spot on and a few home truths were told.

Well Worth listening to :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU :thumbup:

Never been a fan of George Galloway's, but I was impressed with this speech of his.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:09 pm

Forever Blue wrote:I am glad we never backed the USA in Syria and once again become their puppets. :thumbup:

Who else is glad we never went to war again?


I also thought this speech by George Galloway was spot on and a few home truths were told.

Well Worth listening to :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU :thumbup:



Never been a fan of George Galloway's, but I was impressed with this speech of his.

I enjoyed watching that clip Annis, he makes some very valid points :ayatollah:

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:21 pm

Forever Blue wrote:I am glad we never backed the USA in Syria and once again become their puppets. :thumbup:

Who else is glad we never went to war again?


I also thought this speech by George Galloway was spot on and a few home truths were told.

Well Worth listening to :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU :thumbup:


Never been a fan of George Galloway's, but I was impressed with this speech of his.



another war that has nothing to do with us.. :ayatollah:

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:27 pm

krabb wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I am glad we never backed the USA in Syria and once again become their puppets. :thumbup:

Who else is glad we never went to war again?


I also thought this speech by George Galloway was spot on and a few home truths were told.

Well Worth listening to :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU :thumbup:

another war that has nothing to do with us.. :ayatollah:


Correct Kevin. :thumbup:

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:28 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:I am glad we never backed the USA in Syria and once again become their puppets. :thumbup:

Who else is glad we never went to war again?


I also thought this speech by George Galloway was spot on and a few home truths were told.

Well Worth listening to :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU :thumbup:

I enjoyed watching that clip Annis, he makes some very valid points :ayatollah:


Carl, never really been a fan of Galloways, but I thought he was spot on in that clip. :thumbup:

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:38 pm

We are still supporting them though Annis and if they get further involved we will follow them in. Sad but its what will eventually happen unless the USA bottle it.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:38 pm

It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:41 pm

Wayne S wrote:It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.


Wayne, Listen to George Galloway regarding who really used the chemicals?


Worth watching :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:43 pm

JBCCFC1927 wrote:We are still supporting them though Annis and if they get further involved we will follow them in. Sad but its what will eventually happen unless the USA bottle it.


I hope we dont send any troops in or even fire at them from above. Its about time we let others get involved instead of us all time.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:45 pm

Wayne S wrote:It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.


http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/09/05 ... now-about/

Do you think we should side with a country that has used chemicals in not only foreign affairs but on its own people?

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:48 pm

I thought the UN was supposed to deal with these kind of issues. Why the UK always has to get involved is beyond me. We are not the power we once were and why can't other Arab nations sort them out. I recognise we are tied to the US but enough is enough.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:49 pm

how the f**k does 'the cat' Galloway know who used the gas when the experts on the ground don't? But got to agree we need to stay far away from this one.

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Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:51 pm

After the bollocks we the British people were told about Iraq (the famous 45 minutes) we were never going to believe another concocted story which was to engineer a regime change in the middle east. Russia for once are spot on with this issue and have reasonably told the USA, "show us the evidence" before backing a military strike on Syria.

Also as Galloway said it would be total madness for Assad's Government and military to launch a chemical attack against his own people at the very time a UN inspection team arrived in Damascus.

Whoever used those chemical weapons needs to be caught and punished severely, but it is no good putting the blame at the door of a convenient scapegoat and expecting the world to follow.

The USA has to wake up to the fact the world is getting a little pissed off with its controlling ways. If Assad did use the weapons then prove it and we'll support you going after him, if you can't it then it's hard luck as no-one is getting involved in another war just because America wants one.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:53 pm

The only person Galloway cares about is Galloway.

If the UN agree and sanction action then so be it. Even russia said they will act upon UN approval. If they dont, then we should stay clear.

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Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:56 pm

I'm not one for diving into foreign conflicts: But here's the problem with staying out of this stuff. If you don't do anything pretty soon every despot will realise they can do things like gas their own people and before long, you'll have chaos.

Remember, pakistan have nukes and soon Iran will be nuked up. What happens if one of them did a gass attack that was a bit close to the boder?

Chaos.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:57 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.


Wayne, Listen to George Galloway regarding who really used the chemicals?


Worth watching :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU


I'm on an iPad only tonight and the video won't play. I know I've replied without taking in your full post but at it's base level the use of chemical weapons must not go unquestioned.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:57 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.


Wayne, Listen to George Galloway regarding who really used the chemicals?


Worth watching :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU


Annis, he knows as much as you or me.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:58 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:The only person Galloway cares about is Galloway.

If the UN agree and sanction action then so be it. Even russia said they will act upon UN approval. If they dont, then we should stay clear.


I agree Galloway isn't the real deal he makes himself out to be. But I do admire him for that time he stood up for himself in the US congress and made them all look really stupid. GG is very good at putting a point across but you often suspect that he has other motives for his left-wing views.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:02 pm

JBCCFC1927 wrote:
Wayne S wrote:It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.


http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/09/05 ... now-about/

Do you think we should side with a country that has used chemicals in not only foreign affairs but on its own people?


The use of chemical weapons is abhorrent, WHOEVER uses them. It's not about siding with any country, it's about taking a moral stand. This should be about the WORLD making a stand.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:02 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:The only person Galloway cares about is Galloway.

If the UN agree and sanction action then so be it. Even russia said they will act upon UN approval. If they dont, then we should stay clear.


I agree Galloway isn't the real deal he makes himself out to be. But I do admire him for that time he stood up for himself in the US congress and made them all look really stupid. GG is very good at putting a point across but you often suspect that he has other motives for his left-wing views.

He made a very ill prepared senate look very foolish, although there are a few british politicians who could have done the same. Our politicians are used to that treatment in PMQ's and Westminster in general.

GG is in bed with half the worlds dictators, wouldnt suprise me if Assad was already on that list.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:04 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:It's not about posturing or being anyone's puppet.

The day chemicals are being used on human beings and people think its NOTHING to do with us is the day I despair of humanity.


Wayne, Listen to George Galloway regarding who really used the chemicals?


Worth watching :thumbup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU


Annis, he knows as much as you or me.


Never been a fan of his, but I thought he spoke well on this and put a lot of doubts in peoples minds.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:04 pm

Damned Yank wrote:I'm not one for diving into foreign conflicts: But here's the problem with staying out of this stuff. If you don't do anything pretty soon every despot will realise they can do things like gas their own people and before long, you'll have chaos.

Remember, pakistan have nukes and soon Iran will be nuked up. What happens if one of them did a gass attack that was a bit close to the boder?

Chaos.


I think the point is the USA has to prove it's case before bombing the shit out of another Arab country. We all now know the reasons given for going into Iraq were bogus and the invasion of that country cost us too many lost lives.

So if some rouge country did launch a chemical attack near its borders then providing it can be proven they were responsible appropriate action could taken against them with the full backing of the United Nations, including Russia and China.

What can't happen is the USA acting as a loose cannon and launching invasions just because it suits their foreign agenda.

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Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:08 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:I'm not one for diving into foreign conflicts: But here's the problem with staying out of this stuff. If you don't do anything pretty soon every despot will realise they can do things like gas their own people and before long, you'll have chaos.

Remember, pakistan have nukes and soon Iran will be nuked up. What happens if one of them did a gass attack that was a bit close to the boder?

Chaos.


I think the point is the USA has to prove it's case before bombing the shit out of another Arab country. We all now know the reasons given for going into Iraq were bogus and the invasion of that country cost us too many lost lives.

So if some rouge country did launch a chemical attack near its borders then providing it can be proven they were responsible appropriate action could taken against them with the full backing of the United Nations, including Russia and China.

What can't happen is the USA acting as a loose cannon and launching invasions just because it suits their foreign agenda.


I don't disagree with most of that.

Russia and China won't agree 9 put of 10 times though, for their own political reasons, regardless of how strong the case is.

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Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:16 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
I don't disagree with most of that.

Russia and China won't agree 9 put of 10 times though, for their own political reasons, regardless of how strong the case is.


That's very true and the reason for that is the same as the USA they don't want to lose influence. Syria's great ally is Russia and it's no co-incidence that America wants to invade (well IMO)

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Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:20 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:
I don't disagree with most of that.

Russia and China won't agree 9 put of 10 times though, for their own political reasons, regardless of how strong the case is.


That's very true and the reason for that is the same as the USA they don't want to lose influence. Syria's great ally is Russia and it's no co-incidence that America wants to invade (well IMO)


The real irony is that Russia don't even see themselves as that much of an ally to syria. It's all about influence as you say.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:36 pm

There is no international law that says you can attack another country if they use chemical weapons within their own borders -- all you can do is try to take the perosn responsible (who?) to some international court ... good luck with that.

It's all bullshit.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:08 pm

I thought the yanks had evidence of the weapons being fired from inside government owned territory? And also the type of missle used to launch them which the rebels etc.. Don't have...

Something had to be done or it will alert other nutters to do the same in other countries!

However I would prefer to let the USA carry on with this one!

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT HE WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:13 pm

1500 people were killed in Syria and America want to ride in on their white horse and save the day.

Millions of people have been slaughtered in African nations over the last decade and Western Countries have just sat back and let it happen.

It's f*cking bullshit but America will brainwash a load of patriotic morons by cranking up the War On Terror propaganda and they'll be dropping bombs on babies in Syria before we know it.

The world is a broken place.

Re: ' GLAD WE NEVER & I THOUGHT THIS WAS SPOT ON "

Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:25 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:After the bollocks we the British people were told about Iraq (the famous 45 minutes) we were never going to believe another concocted story which was to engineer a regime change in the middle east. Russia for once are spot on with this issue and have reasonably told the USA, "show us the evidence" before backing a military strike on Syria.

Also as Galloway said it would be total madness for Assad's Government and military to launch a chemical attack against his own people at the very time a UN inspection team arrived in Damascus.

Whoever used those chemical weapons needs to be caught and punished severely, but it is no good putting the blame at the door of a convenient scapegoat and expecting the world to follow.

The USA has to wake up to the fact the world is getting a little pissed off with its controlling ways. If Assad did use the weapons then prove it and we'll support you going after him, if you can't it then it's hard luck as no-one is getting involved in another war just because America wants one.

Right on the money tony
Weapons of mass destruction were nothing but lies and led lots of innocent people to their deaths in Iraq.
Bush and Blair should be tried in The Hague for war crimes in my opinion.
Never again should British toops be sent to war over phoney trumped up allegations.
Having said that if there was concrete undisputed evidence of chemicals used then we should think again.
I'm over in the states at the moment and there is strong opinions over here about not getting involved

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Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:13 am

As members of the UN Security Council, we are legally obliged to intervene in a state which commit such atrocities such as the Syrian regime has. The steps for solving a crisis like this are as follows, according to the UN:

1. Try to stop the crisis the democracy, ie, hold talks with the state in trying to stop it.

2. If step one fails, economic sanctions and an arms embargo on the state. (Only allowing aid into to the state to help the civilians)

3. If both step one and two fail then military intervention is used.

Personally, I want us to place a no fly zone over Syria, just like Libya. Help the rebels, by neutralising the Syrian airforce and hitting Syrian artillery and heavy tanks. However, Al Qaeda have infiltrated the true rebels which is why I don't want us to provide all the rebels with weaponry and launch a full blown invasion.

I hate seeing people being massacred by their own government who are charged with making sure the civilians have a good life. It makes me sick. I still want us to take out the North Korean regime. I was well and truely pissed off when our parliament chose to do f**k all. It sickened me.