Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:46 am
Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:54 am
Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:54 am
Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:56 am
Still flat broke wrote:Am not necessarily 'Pro' anything apart from Cardiff City. I would though perhaps say there is an argument that with us now being in the Premier League and spending untold millions which may, or may not, come back to haunt us one day, that he is in fact 'quite close' to achieving his red dream and most certainly hasn't 'failed miserably' in his red vision whether we like it or not.
Only my opinion.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:02 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Still flat broke wrote:Am not necessarily 'Pro' anything apart from Cardiff City. I would though perhaps say there is an argument that with us now being in the Premier League and spending untold millions which may, or may not, come back to haunt us one day, that he is in fact 'quite close' to achieving his red dream and most certainly hasn't 'failed miserably' in his red vision whether we like it or not.
Only my opinion.
Well once the loan to equity has happened I can't see how it will come back to haunt us.
I just wonder those who are waiting for this transfer to happen will then get behind the blue.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:09 am
Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:10 am
Bluebird64 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Still flat broke wrote:Am not necessarily 'Pro' anything apart from Cardiff City. I would though perhaps say there is an argument that with us now being in the Premier League and spending untold millions which may, or may not, come back to haunt us one day, that he is in fact 'quite close' to achieving his red dream and most certainly hasn't 'failed miserably' in his red vision whether we like it or not.
Only my opinion.
Well once the loan to equity has happened I can't see how it will come back to haunt us.
I just wonder those who are waiting for this transfer to happen will then get behind the blue.
You make a valid point. I can remember even gwyn posting that when the debt for equity is sorted then we can give Tan what for. What he meant by that is anyone's guess.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:12 am
Still flat broke wrote:....sorry, me being thick, but even if the transfer took place, and Tan was forced out, would someone else have to be in a position to buy his shares?? Not sure how many people would be able to afford that kind of cash.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:13 pm
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:18 pm
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:19 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Sounds good, very good if you are a blue supporter.
The best message we can give is to wear the blue in the stadium. What we need to do is convince those who wear red to wear the blue. Convince being the operative word here.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:22 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Still flat broke wrote:....sorry, me being thick, but even if the transfer took place, and Tan was forced out, would someone else have to be in a position to buy his shares?? Not sure how many people would be able to afford that kind of cash.
That is exactly what it means.
There are a lot more rich people than Tan about.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:22 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sounds good, very good if you are a blue supporter.
The best message we can give is to wear the blue in the stadium. What we need to do is convince those who wear red to wear the blue. Convince being the operative word here.
Ian, Wearing BLUE at every game is the best message of all and it keeps our Identity alive![]()
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:31 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sounds good, very good if you are a blue supporter.
The best message we can give is to wear the blue in the stadium. What we need to do is convince those who wear red to wear the blue. Convince being the operative word here.
Ian, Wearing BLUE at every game is the best message of all and it keeps our Identity alive![]()
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:48 pm
Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:15 pm
JamesC wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Still flat broke wrote:....sorry, me being thick, but even if the transfer took place, and Tan was forced out, would someone else have to be in a position to buy his shares?? Not sure how many people would be able to afford that kind of cash.
That is exactly what it means.
There are a lot more rich people than Tan about.
Well I think you are missing a big point here. Once the debt is turned into equity then there will be no money owed to Tan.
This is true, but what about when Tan comes calling for all his money back that he's invested in the squad?
He's given us a lot of money, which we now owe to him, if he walks, will we get someone else in who will
1) Turn us back blue (as an expense - changing seat colours, changing kits, badge ect. ect.)
2) Pay off the money we owe Tan
3) carry on investing in the club/squad
it's a fairly big ask, we'de have to really produce on the pitch to show their investment is justified, and they will get a return on this large investment
Tan has us in his back pocket at the moment. And I don't consider his rebrand to be unsuccessful. You only had to walk with BU last week and see how many pro reds were giving "the big 'un" He has enough people bought into it already, and 10,000 waiting in the wings to take the place of anyone else who walks away from the club. The more that walk away, the more the blue fades.
For the record i've never worn red to a city game, and will continue to support the blue and tradition
Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:16 pm
Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:56 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Sounds good, very good if you are a blue supporter.
The best message we can give is to wear the blue in the stadium. What we need to do is convince those who wear red to wear the blue. Convince being the operative word here.
Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:31 pm
llan bluebird wrote:Never worn a replica, never thought about colours until red Tuesday, worn blue ever since,but...
Based upon the opening post in one full season half the fans have turned red, I am surprised so many have official club red stuff. But in a five year plan half is not a bad return. We have never had a history of masses of replicas like Newcastle or Sunderland. Watching the Liverpool game now, the Kop is not a sea of red.
Due to the promotion into the premier league fans are almost there just to add colour and noise for the match day TV audience, so are unimportant.
If and we know he won't, we changed back to blue, how long and much will it take to eradicate red out of our history. The crowd will look exactly the same.