Sian Branson v Gwyn Davies

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1hour 8 mins

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I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

Why can't a billionaire be educated? Or does he know everything there is to know

And what points did Jason bring up with Gwyn..? opps sorry he just let him have a clean run rather than him jumping in on Sians point and trying to poke holes into her arguement. Completely one sided debate and quite frankly an own goal by BBC Radio Wales and Jason Mohammed IMO

I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter, Sian Branson was seen as a saviour to help return to blue but she's no different to others except for the fact she's got a billboard and organised a few meetings. She glorifies herself, people will tell her congrats and so because they're friends of hers, she's not a celebrity or in fact a well known Cardiff fan, she is completely out of her depth. I hate her stance on fans as well, we're not the only club that has had a rapid surge of supporters lately. Why can't newer fans decide? Why can't newer fans embrace something?

I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter, Sian Branson was seen as a saviour to help return to blue but she's no different to others except for the fact she's got a billboard and organised a few meetings. She glorifies herself, people will tell her congrats and so because they're friends of hers, she's not a celebrity or in fact a well known Cardiff fan, she is completely out of her depth. I hate her stance on fans as well, we're not the only club that has had a rapid surge of supporters lately. Why can't newer fans decide? Why can't newer fans embrace something?

I don't know Sian but i was in a local supermarket and she was getting a lot of people shaking her hand, wishing her the best of luck. I don't think she or anyone i know herald her as a saviour, shes just a Local girl trying to preserve the clubs identity, something 99 percent of us cherish and would like to see returned. I think you've believed too much internet hype on BU, They are just bluebirds that love the club and that includes the clubs history and identity.

'We're the only team to have our club rebranded' - Sian Branson

Wish she'd do her research, schoolgirl attitude

Sian and Gwyn both spoke well, but Jason Mohammed hit the nail on the head. Too little, too late, the horse has well and truly bolted!

'We're the only team to have our club rebranded' - Sian Branson

Wish she'd do her research, schoolgirl attitude

Rochdale?

I think the first line of questioning was very harsh on Sian,

Like the above post, nothing changed my mind,

I hate when people use the phrase "Red/Blue fans aren't real fans" Its bullshit, it's about how people feel about the rebrand, and we should respect that.

I think the biggest message that can be sent to Tan would be for fans to turn their back on the club, which is not a realistic situation, firstly because people realise that they love the club too much, and put up with it (Annis ect.) or, they realise that it doesnt matter because there are 10,000 people waiting for their seat in the stadium to see Man Utd, Chelsea ect.

This is a losing battle in my eyes, we can't win it, and it's sad for all those fans who are so passionate, but Tan has made his choices

I'll listen later, but from what I've read, a lot of people are saying that Jason Mohammed came across very badly indeed and was totally one sided.

I totally disagree with Gwyn Davies, and I think he sells the club short, and I wish he'd stay out the media, but he says what he thinks and he says it fairly well. It can't be fair though that Jason Mohammed does not pick holes in Gwyn's argument as well.

The rebrand is just totally ridiculous anyway, I despise it, so my mind is made up, but I pay my licence fee, and expect the BBC to chair a reasoned and fair debate.

Thought both Gwyn and Sian spoke quite well, Jason Mohammad just comes across as a right knob mind. Though he was correct in saying it was little to late and the whole "we were threatend" is just an excuse.

As for those who attended games in the lower leagues deciding our future, it is such an elitist remark. So what if you've been watching longer doesnt make you any more of a fan than others. And as Tony said how would it be decided who gets to vote or not. Plus you would only have 10-20% of the clubs fanbase voting

'We're the only team to have our club rebranded' - Sian Branson

Wish she'd do her research, schoolgirl attitude

Rochdale?

Gawd bless Rochdale

I'll listen later, but from what I've read, a lot of people are saying that Jason Mohammed came across very badly indeed and was totally one sided.

I totally disagree with Gwyn Davies, and I think he sells the club short, and I wish he'd stay out the media, but he says what he thinks and he says it fairly well. It can't be fair though that Jason Mohammed does not pick holes in Gwyn's argument as well.

The rebrand is just totally ridiculous anyway, I despise it, so my mind is made up, but I pay my licence fee, and expect the BBC to chair a reasoned and fair debate.

I'm sorry but how does he sell our club short? What a stupid remark, all Gwyn said was that he would like the club to return to blue but would rather see us have a club in the first place

I'll listen later, but from what I've read, a lot of people are saying that Jason Mohammed came across very badly indeed and was totally one sided.

I totally disagree with Gwyn Davies, and I think he sells the club short, and I wish he'd stay out the media, but he says what he thinks and he says it fairly well. It can't be fair though that Jason Mohammed does not pick holes in Gwyn's argument as well.

The rebrand is just totally ridiculous anyway, I despise it, so my mind is made up, but I pay my licence fee, and expect the BBC to chair a reasoned and fair debate.

I want to write a letter to the BBC, Sian spoke well but the poor woman wasn't given a fair go from the host. Jason abused his authority there. very unprofessional.

Listening to Gwyn was unregnisable from on here and i wouldn't be surprised to see him marching with all the bluebirds Sunday.

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

She explained that one year ago a group of fans got together but felt intimidated by events at a meeting and subsequently disbanded. It was explained, have another listen.

I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

Well said Tony and, in my opinion, I'm afraid Sian will have more than annoyed older fans with some of what she said today. I remember when there was no badge on our shirts and when it did eventually arrive it has been changed so many times I believe no one can claim any badge as a "Tradition" of our club. In fact there have been more years with no badge on the shirt than there have been with one - Tradition my arse.

This lot need to come down off the cross because surely someone else needs the wood.

I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter, Sian Branson was seen as a saviour to help return to blue but she's no different to others except for the fact she's got a billboard and organised a few meetings. She glorifies herself, people will tell her congrats and so because they're friends of hers, she's not a celebrity or in fact a well known Cardiff fan, she is completely out of her depth. I hate her stance on fans as well, we're not the only club that has had a rapid surge of supporters lately. Why can't newer fans decide? Why can't newer fans embrace something?

exactly right,i moved down from england in 2008 went to the football wth a mate and caught the bug , havent missed a city game home or away for 3 years.Apparently according to her i dont have a say,elitist attitude to say the least.Gwyn came across very well .

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

She explained that one year ago a group of fans got together but felt intimidated by events at a meeting and subsequently disbanded. It was explained, have another listen.

He asked what she did a year ago not what other fans did,you have another listen.

I thought Sian spoke well as did Gwyn.

However, she said nothing that would change my mind. I think she and BU are hopelessly out of their depth. Do they really think they can sit down and 'educate' a $ Billionaire?

Also Jason Mohammed brought up a good point about why didn't they form straight after the rebrand was announced? Her answer was unconvincing because I remember the time well and while it was painful the thought of eventually getting this club into the PL and settling historic debt was far too tempting for the vast majority.No-one was threatened as she claimed(that really was scraping the barrel) it was simply the weight of numbers who wanted to follow VT's vision.

Finally the thought that those who went to games when we were in the lower divisions should be the only ones to determine the clubs future is quite frankly preposterous. Which games would fill the criteria? Would it be season ticket holders or away travellers and how the hell would you verify it any way?

Finally may be she should have checked to see if all attendees from those days are against the rebrand before again hi-jacking them into BU as was done with the online petition. I think she needs to get outside her bubble if she ever has any chance of making BU acceptable to all but a bloody minded few.

Well said Tony and, in my opinion, I'm afraid Sian will have more than annoyed older fans with some of what she said today. I remember when there was no badge on our shirts and when it did eventually arrive it has been changed so many times I believe no one can claim any badge as a "Tradition" of our club. In fact there have been more years with no badge on the shirt than there have been with one - Tradition my arse.

This lot need to come down off the cross because surely someone else needs the wood.

excellent post

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

She explained that one year ago a group of fans got together but felt intimidated by events at a meeting and subsequently disbanded. It was explained, have another listen.

He asked what she did a year ago not what other fans did,you have another listen.

Perhaps she felt intimidated as explained. It's irrelevant to the rights or wrongs of the issue anyway to be fair. She id well not to get bogged down by knit picking and kojak if you are honest, shes probably more intelligent than you and a lot of us, so lets not be cyber intellects and pretend to be better than her. If you are so bright and clever, Where were you on the phone in?

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

She explained that one year ago a group of fans got together but felt intimidated by events at a meeting and subsequently disbanded. It was explained, have another listen.

He asked what she did a year ago not what other fans did,you have another listen.

Perhaps she felt intimidated as explained. It's irrelevant to the rights or wrongs of the issue anyway to be fair.

Your entitled to your opinion but Imo the presenter was spot on,to little to late.

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

She explained that one year ago a group of fans got together but felt intimidated by events at a meeting and subsequently disbanded. It was explained, have another listen.

He asked what she did a year ago not what other fans did,you have another listen.

Perhaps she felt intimidated as explained. It's irrelevant to the rights or wrongs of the issue anyway to be fair.

Your entitled to your opinion but Imo the presenter was spot on,to little to late.

It's never too late to do the right thing

And the presenter is a Cardiff born Spurs plastic, is it any surprise he can't understand real football fans link to the club badge and colours. Even Gwyn admitted he wanted to be back in blue.

He was always going to question Sian more than Gwynn,she is the head of bu who has organised a protest march.When pushed she couldn't remember where she was a year ago.The presenter was right to little to late.

She explained that one year ago a group of fans got together but felt intimidated by events at a meeting and subsequently disbanded. It was explained, have another listen.

He asked what she did a year ago not what other fans did,you have another listen.

Perhaps she felt intimidated as explained. It's irrelevant to the rights or wrongs of the issue anyway to be fair.

Your entitled to your opinion but Imo the presenter was spot on,to little to late.

It's never too late to do the right thing

And the presenter is a Cardiff born Spurs plastic, is it any surprise he can't understand real football fans link to the club badge and colours. Even Gwyn admitted he wanted to be back in blue.

of course he'd prefer blue but he also said he's happy to have a team to go and support never mind what colour we play in.

Yes he did say something like that. But nobody is saying it's redordead if we show our true identity on Sunday kojak. See you there my fellow Cardiff boy.

Yes he did say something like that. But nobody is saying it's redordead if we show our true identity on Sunday kojak. See you there my fellow Cardiff boy.

i doubt it,don't wast your time.Protests against the club don't interest me,to little and way to late.

I though the host was fairly well balanced.

Branson was ok. Didn't really explain herself too well. At least Gwyn wasn't a bully.