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Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:23 pm

at this level cost us?

It was evident end of last season when we could barely scrape over the lane we had a good honest bunch of lads, who knew how to win ugly, but talentwise very doubtful would be able to make the step up to the next level.

Of that squad very little Premiership experience, only Bellamy really, yes some others (Taylor, Campbell, Smith) had played some games but not what you would called seasoned Premiership players.

We have made 5 signings, one of them a 3rd choice keeper so technically weve only really signed 4 players ready for first team and of those 4 its only Gary you coudl say was a senior pro with top level experience.

Caulker and Corny good prospects but still very young and learning the game so nowhere near the finished articles, and Brayford, a little bit older and another prospect but up until now no top level experience.

Personally I think we need to add 3 or 4 players with Premiership / top level experience. Huddlestone to Hull was a good move, Shelvey to Swansea, Bent to Fulham.etc.etc There was some good deals to be had out there.

I fear if we dont bring in some more players, but not only that, dont bring in experiencd players then we are going to be out of the Premiership before its even started.

Not only Malkys inexperience with the playing personell he has brought in but worryingly the tactics (if you can call them that) last Saturday were a worry. I said it before I will say it again you cannot play aimless hoofball and keep hoping to win ugly. We may have had the rub of the green last season which many of you will say to me dont teach your granny how to suck eggs but at this level it will NOT work.

Mark my words unless we get some experience in and change our style of play than this season will be the biggest anti-climax since Oasis - Be Her Now album.

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Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:25 pm

No.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:31 pm

I admitt malkys willingness to stick to the crap hoofball tactics annoy shit out of me and has done since a season and a half when he started doing it, his subsitution making always is a worry, feel malky needs to realse what worked last season will not thos season, but saying that i do believe malky will come good and change things even if he his a stubbourn scot

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:34 pm

JBCCFC1927 wrote:No.


I didnt address you Barnett dont post on my threads please. You said you had me on ignore. Your rules.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:35 pm

A few examples:

Norwich, Swansea, Southampton. All stayed up with little or no experiance in the squad or management.

QPR, Bolton, Wigan. Vast experiance in both players and management.

It was our first game on Saturday and a big step up. Malky deserves the chance to at least try and if he fails, ultimately he will lose his job. I honestly believe we will be ok.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:36 pm

how much premier league experience did southampton, norwich and swansea have when they got promoted?

its not essential, but the question is are the players here good enough? despite winning the league we severly lacked pace all through the team, but especially on the wing. He tried to sort this out straight away with Ince, but still no winger, which at present is my main concern.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:36 pm

citybluechris wrote:I admitt malkys willingness to stick to the crap hoofball tactics annoy shit out of me and has done since a season and a half when he started doing it, his subsitution making always is a worry, feel malky needs to realse what worked last season will not thos season, but saying that i do believe malky will come good and change things even if he his a stubbourn scot

This hoofball term has become some sort of cult word on here. We had more possession that the spammers on Saturday and 2nd half it was rarely lumped forward. We just played utter cack on the day.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:37 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
citybluechris wrote:I admitt malkys willingness to stick to the crap hoofball tactics annoy shit out of me and has done since a season and a half when he started doing it, his subsitution making always is a worry, feel malky needs to realse what worked last season will not thos season, but saying that i do believe malky will come good and change things even if he his a stubbourn scot

This hoofball term has become some sort of cult word on here. We had more possession that the spammers on Saturday and 2nd half it was rarely lumped forward. We just played utter cack on the day.



i dont think we played utter cack at all, just had nothing in terms of attacking threat. If ince had signed for us the game on saturday would have looked totally different, with an attacking outlet.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:39 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
citybluechris wrote:I admitt malkys willingness to stick to the crap hoofball tactics annoy shit out of me and has done since a season and a half when he started doing it, his subsitution making always is a worry, feel malky needs to realse what worked last season will not thos season, but saying that i do believe malky will come good and change things even if he his a stubbourn scot

This hoofball term has become some sort of cult word on here. We had more possession that the spammers on Saturday and 2nd half it was rarely lumped forward. We just played utter cack on the day.



i dont think we played utter cack at all, just had nothing in terms of attacking threat. If ince had signed for us the game on saturday would have looked totally different, with an attacking outlet.

We defended crap as the goals will show and we had no attacking threat.

That means we played cack im afriad.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:39 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:A few examples:

Norwich, Swansea, Southampton. All stayed up with little or no experiance in the squad or management.

QPR, Bolton, Wigan. Vast experiance in both players and management.

It was our first game on Saturday and a big step up. Malky deserves the chance to at least try and if he fails, ultimately he will lose his job. I honestly believe we will be ok.



I would only liken Norwich to our situation and yes theyve done well.

Swansea and Southampton played a brand of football that suited the Premiership.

Bolton and Wigan had been in the Prem for years before their relegation so not sure why youve mentioned them tbh.

QPR well they signed the wrong type of proffesionals everyone in football knows that.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:40 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
citybluechris wrote:I admitt malkys willingness to stick to the crap hoofball tactics annoy shit out of me and has done since a season and a half when he started doing it, his subsitution making always is a worry, feel malky needs to realse what worked last season will not thos season, but saying that i do believe malky will come good and change things even if he his a stubbourn scot

This hoofball term has become some sort of cult word on here. We had more possession that the spammers on Saturday and 2nd half it was rarely lumped forward. We just played utter cack on the day.



i dont think we played utter cack at all, just had nothing in terms of attacking threat. If ince had signed for us the game on saturday would have looked totally different, with an attacking outlet.


How? Would Conolly, Turner and Johns pumps upfield miraculously boomeranged to Tom Inces feet.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:44 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
citybluechris wrote:I admitt malkys willingness to stick to the crap hoofball tactics annoy shit out of me and has done since a season and a half when he started doing it, his subsitution making always is a worry, feel malky needs to realse what worked last season will not thos season, but saying that i do believe malky will come good and change things even if he his a stubbourn scot

This hoofball term has become some sort of cult word on here. We had more possession that the spammers on Saturday and 2nd half it was rarely lumped forward. We just played utter cack on the day.



i dont think we played utter cack at all, just had nothing in terms of attacking threat. If ince had signed for us the game on saturday would have looked totally different, with an attacking outlet.


How? Would Conolly, Turner and Johns pumps upfield miraculously boomeranged to Tom Inces feet.



Connelly and Turner need to be dropped, and John probably will be too.

but seriously, we did have some decent periods of possession, with whitts and medel, and to a lesser extend kim getting on the ball, but they either ran out of options or were too slow on the ball.

I think a better time to judge might be after the Hull game, Everton and Hull are two winnable games for me and we should hopefully be on 4 points after the first 4 matches.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:45 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:A few examples:

Norwich, Swansea, Southampton. All stayed up with little or no experiance in the squad or management.

QPR, Bolton, Wigan. Vast experiance in both players and management.

It was our first game on Saturday and a big step up. Malky deserves the chance to at least try and if he fails, ultimately he will lose his job. I honestly believe we will be ok.



I would only liken Norwich to our situation and yes theyve done well.

Swansea and Southampton played a brand of football that suited the Premiership.

Bolton and Wigan had been in the Prem for years before their relegation so not sure why youve mentioned them tbh.

QPR well they signed the wrong type of proffesionals everyone in football knows that.


I mentioned Bolton and Wigan as they had tons of experience and still got relegated, kinda re-enforcing the point that experience isnt the be all and end all.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:46 pm

Yes we may have had some posession, West Ham didnt get out of 2nd gear after they went 1 up lets be honest, but we did feck all with it.

Cant agree on Kim thought he was very wasteful and sloppy on Saturday but he is one who has the talent to get used to the pace of the league and will come good.

Gunnar has to be upgraded along with Conolly, Turner and a winger.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:48 pm

Paul Lambert's Norwih didn't win for 5 games.

Brendan Rodgers' Swansea 4 games with no goals.

Its far to soon for this level of over reaction.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:49 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:A few examples:

Norwich, Swansea, Southampton. All stayed up with little or no experiance in the squad or management.

QPR, Bolton, Wigan. Vast experiance in both players and management.

It was our first game on Saturday and a big step up. Malky deserves the chance to at least try and if he fails, ultimately he will lose his job. I honestly believe we will be ok.



I would only liken Norwich to our situation and yes theyve done well.

Swansea and Southampton played a brand of football that suited the Premiership.

Bolton and Wigan had been in the Prem for years before their relegation so not sure why youve mentioned them tbh.

QPR well they signed the wrong type of proffesionals everyone in football knows that.


I mentioned Bolton and Wigan as they had tons of experience and still got relegated, kinda re-enforcing the point that experience isnt the be all and end all.


Well, I think its important for a newly promoted team. Bolton and Wigan were both left behind financially with teams stengthening. A problem we dont have as hes spent 30m and apparfently theres more in the kitty.

Reading didnt add to their squad last season went down with a whimper, Big Sam got a load of Premiership experience in to go with what they already had and they finished 10th.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:49 pm

must say, despite the rumours all week that connelly would start, im surprised Malky went out and bought a right back he called the best in the championship, and then continued to play a converted centre back there instead.

I thought the defending was bad when i was at the game, looked even worse on tv with connelly looking to have given up before jarvis had hit it over.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:50 pm

Why was Hudson dropped?

He was our calm head in defence last season and it showed toward the end when he was injured and we stopped keeping clean sheets. I think Malky let his heart rule his head on Sat and tried to fit everyone in, I dont think kimbo and whitts can play in the centre together, too lightweight and i dont think whitts can play on the wing as he has 0 pace.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:50 pm

RFMH wrote:Paul Lambert's Norwih didn't win for 5 games.

Brendan Rodgers' Swansea 4 games with no goals.

Its far to soon for this level of over reaction.


What over reaction?

I am asking if you think we should get some experience in and deploy different tactics?

I thought it was a football forum.

Ill go back to arguing with Barnett about him changings his mind over and over on the rebrand then. :roll:

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:50 pm

paulh_85 wrote:must say, despite the rumours all week that connelly would start, im surprised Malky went out and bought a right back he called the best in the championship, and then continued to play a converted centre back there instead.

I thought the defending was bad when i was at the game, looked even worse on tv with connelly looking to have given up before jarvis had hit it over.

Brayford had a knock but should be ok for sunday.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:59 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
JBCCFC1927 wrote:No.


I didnt address you Barnett dont post on my threads please. You said you had me on ignore. Your rules.


You broke that earlier when you decided to post on my thread. :thumbup:

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:00 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:Why was Hudson dropped?

He was our calm head in defence last season and it showed toward the end when he was injured and we stopped keeping clean sheets. I think Malky let his heart rule his head on Sat and tried to fit everyone in, I dont think kimbo and whitts can play in the centre together, too lightweight and i dont think whitts can play on the wing as he has 0 pace.


Nice to have you back on the forum Craig. Good poster. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:00 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:must say, despite the rumours all week that connelly would start, im surprised Malky went out and bought a right back he called the best in the championship, and then continued to play a converted centre back there instead.

I thought the defending was bad when i was at the game, looked even worse on tv with connelly looking to have given up before jarvis had hit it over.

Brayford had a knock but should be ok for sunday.



fair enough, though i would even prefer mcnaughton at RB to be honest.

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:01 pm

Good post polo and the best I've seen off you up to date, not only are you at times another braindead forum poster but your a genius at times when u have to be, your well respected by the oldguard so ignore the buck tooth teens, I think the only place MM will take us is down as he does not know anything other than one style of play, he be lucky to last till xmas to be honest in my opinion. :malky:

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:06 pm

JBCCFC1927 wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
JBCCFC1927 wrote:No.


I didnt address you Barnett dont post on my threads please. You said you had me on ignore. Your rules.


You broke that earlier when you decided to post on my thread. :thumbup:


I never said I was ignoring you to begin with so I didnt break anything :?

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:07 pm

Bluebird1977 wrote:Good post polo and the best I've seen off you up to date, not only are you at times another braindead forum poster but your a genius at times when u have to be, your well respected by the oldguard so ignore the buck tooth teens, I think the only place MM will take us is down as he does not know anything other than one style of play, he be lucky to last till xmas to be honest in my opinion. :malky:


to be fair when malky first come here we did play some nice attacking football, after Christmas of his first season we started doing the negative crap football, just try nick a goal from a set piece etc, hopefully he is going to change things around, but I too fear malky wont last the season

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:07 pm

lets not trash this thread too guys :lol:

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:07 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:must say, despite the rumours all week that connelly would start, im surprised Malky went out and bought a right back he called the best in the championship, and then continued to play a converted centre back there instead.

I thought the defending was bad when i was at the game, looked even worse on tv with connelly looking to have given up before jarvis had hit it over.

Brayford had a knock but should be ok for sunday.



fair enough, though i would even prefer mcnaughton at RB to be honest.

^^^^^ This

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:09 pm

Bluebird1977 wrote:Good post polo and the best I've seen off you up to date, not only are you at times another braindead forum poster but your a genius at times when u have to be, your well respected by the oldguard so ignore the buck tooth teens, I think the only place MM will take us is down as he does not know anything other than one style of play, he be lucky to last till xmas to be honest in my opinion. :malky:

I would like to see Malky given the whole season and beyond, even if we go down. i believe hes a good manager, not just on the field but off it aswell. I doubt tan will agree though :cry:

Re: Will Malkys Inexperience

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:09 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:must say, despite the rumours all week that connelly would start, im surprised Malky went out and bought a right back he called the best in the championship, and then continued to play a converted centre back there instead.

I thought the defending was bad when i was at the game, looked even worse on tv with connelly looking to have given up before jarvis had hit it over.

Brayford had a knock but should be ok for sunday.



fair enough, though i would even prefer mcnaughton at RB to be honest.

^^^^^ This

double this ^^^^^

although hindsight is a wonderful thing.