Cleverly boxing .....1st live opponent?

Anyone else think Nathan cleverly has his first real test tommorrow?

His first real test was Tony Bellew mate.

His first real test was Tony Bellew mate.

Not really world class is he bellow? Talked his way into a world title with his big gob.

His first real test was Tony Bellew mate.

Not really world class is he bellow? Talked his way into a world title with his big gob.

He's not that far behind Clev mate and dont forget some people still think he won the fight.

He's arguably taken on tougher fights than Clev since their fight and come through aswell.

Tony Bellew was and is without a doubt Clevs biggest test to date, there is a reason they havnt fought each other
since and I think it suits them both to be fair.

Cleverley always does a good job talking his opponent up.He has to because they've been nobodies thus far but that's not his fault it's just the Light Heavy division in general.It's pish,always was and always will be.It says everything that his goal and marquee fight is against Bernard Hopkins.

If only he could get down to super middle.

His first real test was Tony Bellew mate.

Not really world class is he bellow? Talked his way into a world title with his big gob.

He's not that far behind Clev mate and dont forget some people still think he won the fight.

He's arguably taken on tougher fights than Clev since their fight and come through aswell.

Tony Bellew was and is without a doubt Clevs biggest test to date, there is a reason they havnt fought each other
since and I think it suits them both to be fair.

Rematch may happen a little further down the line , I can't see it though I think cleverly will try and take the froch fight when it's offered, providing they both keep winning. However kovalev does look and a handfull so fingers crossed for clev tommorrow night think he may need it

Fingers crossed mate, will be cheering him on

Bellew is hardest he has had untill now, as a world champion his oppenents has been piss poor bar bellew even though bellew didnt reallu warrent a shot but kovalev is dangerous for full 12 rounds

Cleverly is massively overrated. British boxing is a load of crap and in a terrible state. Its almost laughable.

Oh well I cant wait to see that big lump of nothing Fury get floored by David Haye.

The only 3 from Britain with any shred of talent are Haye, Khan and Froch. The rest make me cringe.

People like Fraudley and Chisora should take up ballet or something.

TMT

^^^^ shows how much you know about boxing thinking khan is one of the best in britain.. Are you for real???

Kahn is so overrated.

^^^^ shows how much you know about boxing thinking khan is one of the best in britain.. Are you for real???

I said with a shred of talent. His record proves it. I didn't say he was the best or a great fighter but he is talented.

Beat Paulie, beat Diaz, beat Molina, beat Kotelnik, beat Judah, beat Barrera, beat Maidana.

Sorry you dont beat those names without being at least talented.

Only those 3 fighters there have beat anyone of any credence.

All the rest fight bums. Fury is only fighting Haye because of the chip on his shoulder and I cant wait for Haye to KO the lump of rubbish and put him in his place.

Cleverly, sorry he fights bums. Brook fights bums as well. Name me one other current fighter who actually fought other boxers of ability?

Sorry but any other fighter would get smashed to bits across the pond by a South American or Yank. Khan who is arguably the best British boxer at his weight even has been done in by average Americans.

Says it all about the pathetic state of British boxing but of course you know better. P4P rankings and so on mean nothing at all.

Ricky Burns is the only one with a real chance of making a claim at something good but even he is running scared of Broner.

British boxing is a joke. I watch it more for the comedy value these days and will be having a right Chuckle when Haye floors that joke Fury.

^^^^ shows how much you know about boxing thinking khan is one of the best in britain.. Are you for real???

I said with a shred of talent. His record proves it. I didn't say he was the best or a great fighter but he is talented.

Beat Paulie, beat Diaz, beat Molina, beat Kotelnik, beat Judah, beat Barrera, beat Maidana.

Sorry you dont beat those names without being at least talented.

Only those 3 fighters there have beat anyone of any credence.

All the rest fight bums. Fury is only fighting Haye because of the chip on his shoulder and I cant wait for Haye to KO the lump of rubbish and put him in his place.

Cleverly, sorry he fights bums. Brook fights bums as well. Name me one other current fighter who actually fought other boxers of ability?

Sorry but any other fighter would get smashed to bits across the pond by a South American or Yank. Khan who is arguably the best British boxer at his weight even has been done in by average Americans.

Says it all about the pathetic state of British boxing but of course you know better. P4P rankings and so on mean nothing at all.

Ricky Burns is the only one with a real chance of making a claim at something good but even he is running scared of Broner.

British boxing is a joke. I watch it more for the comedy value these days and will be having a right Chuckle when Haye floors that joke Fury.

Good post that.Agree with you on Cleverley too.

Is this James Barnett the internet idiot?

Good post that.Agree with you on Cleverley too.

Thanks for your comments.

Is this James Barnett the internet idiot?

Reported for abuse. There is no need for this on such a civilised and internationally respected forum.

Good post that.Agree with you on Cleverley too.

Thanks for your comments.

Is this James Barnett the internet idiot?

Reported for abuse. There is no need for this on such a civilised and internationally respected forum.

I didn't realise you was capable of such a well informed and articulate post.You really are a rollercoaster,James.

Yep, fair play to the lad he does know his onions, people love to slag Khan, but he
is one of the best of a bad bunch at the moment

I didn't realise you was capable of such a well informed and articulate post.You really are a rollercoaster,James.

Such is life. Some times you are right. Some times you are wrong. You live and learn but boxing I love as I grew up boxing in a boxing family. I don't talk about topics I know nothing about. If someone starts talking about cricket or something I would just walk out of the room and save myself the torture rather than pretend I know. Ironing is another topic im not particularly fond of.

Football, Boxing & Computing stuff. Thats me done and dusted. I like talking about politics as well to keep the lefties on their toes. They need a reality check now and then the cotton wool loving liberals and health and safety enthusiasts.

What you reckon the score will be tomorrow in your game? Im going a close 2-1 win for United. I will be watching it in the pub on Sky Sports, I will not lie, after our win at the soon to be empty Upton Park. I of course hope Man Utd thrash you but cannot see it happening.

Yep, fair play to the lad he does know his onions, people love to slag Khan, but he
is one of the best of a bad bunch at the moment

Spot on Millar. People dont realise the gap but there are some very strong fighters across the pond whereas here theres only a few who get found out.

Even Froch who I'd say is the best here but others may say Haye, its a tough one, is playing second fiddle to Andre Ward. Some great fights soon as well.

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Floyd vs Canelo is going to be a classic with Garcia vs Matthyse on the undercard. I can't wait and apparently another surprise being lined up for that undercard as well so definitely buying that event.

Then not long after Wlad vs Povetkin and then Bradley vs Marquez. That will be another good fight.

Then of course Pacquiao vs Rios and probably what is going to be one of the best British fights in a while, Groves vs Froch.

Some great fights ahead of us and good nights of boxing.

I watch the fights here and im a member of the site: http://boxingguru.eu/

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I didn't realise you was capable of such a well informed and articulate post.You really are a rollercoaster,James.

Such is life. Some times you are right. Some times you are wrong. You live and learn but boxing I love as I grew up boxing in a boxing family. I don't talk about topics I know nothing about. If someone starts talking about cricket or something I would just walk out of the room and save myself the torture rather than pretend I know. Ironing is another topic im not particularly fond of.

Football, Boxing & Computing stuff. Thats me done and dusted. I like talking about politics as well to keep the lefties on their toes. They need a reality check now and then the cotton wool loving liberals and health and safety enthusiasts.

What you reckon the score will be tomorrow in your game? Im going a close 2-1 win for United. I will be watching it in the pub on Sky Sports, I will not lie, after our win at the soon to be empty Upton Park. I of course hope Man Utd thrash you but cannot see it happening.

3 of my loves there too, although you should have thrown women in there for faux manliness.

Up until recently I thought we could beat United but that was after a great pre-season and a nice win over Malmo.But as the game gets close, I'd settle for a point.You forget who they are i think but we did push them close last season in both games so we won't fear them.

3 of my loves there too, although you should have thrown women in there for faux manliness.

I love women of course but most men do so no need to mention it.

Up until recently I thought we could beat United but that was after a great pre-season and a nice win over Malmo.But as the game gets close, I'd settle for a point.You forget who they are i think but we did push them close last season in both games so we won't fear them.

Fair enough. I think it'll be very close. I'd take a point from Upton Park on the opening day of the season. Will settle some nerves as well if we get back from there with something on the table.

Yep, fair play to the lad he does know his onions, people love to slag Khan, but he
is one of the best of a bad bunch at the moment

Spot on Millar. People dont realise the gap but there are some very strong fighters across the pond whereas here theres only a few who get found out.

Even Froch who I'd say is the best here but others may say Haye, its a tough one, is playing second fiddle to Andre Ward. Some great fights soon as well.

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Floyd vs Canelo is going to be a classic with Garcia vs Matthyse on the undercard. I can't wait and apparently another surprise being lined up for that undercard as well so definitely buying that event.

Then not long after Wlad vs Povetkin and then Bradley vs Marquez. That will be another good fight.

Then of course Pacquiao vs Rios and probably what is going to be one of the best British fights in a while, Groves vs Froch.

Some great fights ahead of us and good nights of boxing.

I watch the fights here and im a member of the site: http://boxingguru.eu/

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Can't wait for the Canelo v mayweather fight, fair play to mayweather he could have ducked out of that one because canelo in my opinion is the next big thing. He's got a real test on his hands there. He's the real deal

Cleverly is massively overrated. British boxing is a load of crap and in a terrible state. Its almost laughable.

Oh well I cant wait to see that big lump of nothing Fury get floored by David Haye.

The only 3 from Britain with any shred of talent are Haye, Khan and Froch. The rest make me cringe.

People like Fraudley and Chisora should take up ballet or something.

TMT

respect your view on khan is his without a doubt one of the best british boxers skill wise,

BUT I totally disagree with the comment that british boxing is a load of crap, it is bursting with young up and coming talent and british boxing is coming back big time

Frankie gavin
kid ghalad
jazza dickens
scott quiqq
carl Frampton
billy joe saunders
john ryder
callum smith
luke campell
tom stalker
Hughie fury
Anthony Joshua

these are young up and some already established boxers ive listed that we can all look forward too,

people think british boxing is crap, American boxing is not all that at the moment, we as a nation has achieved high success in boxing in last 3 years or so be it amature and pro

^^^^ shows how much you know about boxing thinking khan is one of the best in britain.. Are you for real???

he is one of the best in Britain, arguably the best offensive skillfull fighter in Britain, defensively he is not so great but without a doubt one of the best we have got, bit of a tit of a person love but his record is there and some good names on there.

Cleverly is massively overrated. British boxing is a load of crap and in a terrible state. Its almost laughable.

Oh well I cant wait to see that big lump of nothing Fury get floored by David Haye.

The only 3 from Britain with any shred of talent are Haye, Khan and Froch. The rest make me cringe.

People like Fraudley and Chisora should take up ballet or something.

TMT

cleverly is not overrated atall.. do you even follow boxing? froch got offered to fight clev and turned it down to fight george groves, he knows clev would wipe the floor with him FACT!

Clev is no way overrated!! bellew had the fight of his life against clev, If the rematch happened it wouldn't be as close as last time! Hes only 26 his speed and work rate is tremendous lets not forget his chin, His power will come with age. IMO hes going to do a joe and finish his career undefeated and beaten every big name in his division. with a stylish win tomorrow against a solid opponent his career will just set off.. wish him all the best and cant wait for him to shut up idiots who just love slagging him off.

respect your view on khan is his without a doubt one of the best british boxers skill wise

Thanks.

BUT I totally disagree with the comment that british boxing is a load of crap, it is bursting with young up and coming talent and british boxing is coming back big time

Frankie gavin
kid ghalad
jazza dickens
scott quiqq
carl Frampton
billy joe saunders
john ryder
callum smith
luke campell
tom stalker
Hughie fury
Anthony Joshua

these are young up and some already established boxers ive listed that we can all look forward too,

None of those are proven at professional level in any way at all and none of them have done it on the world stage in America and proven that they can mix it with the best. You look at that list and you look elsewhere and you see better talent emerging on the professional scene across the pond.

There's not 1 British fighter currently in the Ring Magazine P4P top 10 and its easy to see why. British boxing is in a poor state at a professional level at the moment and some of those names up there you mentioned may come along and help put it back up where it belongs but we're talking about the here and now, not in 3-4 years when those up there try and peak professionally and move up the ladders after notching up quite a few professional bouts on these shores.

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. JMM
4. Wlad
5. Mares
6. Martinez
7. Pacquiao
8. Broner
9. Bradley
10. Canelo

Not one British boxer. Now in 5-10 years time some of those names you mentioned up there may break onto the scene massively and start peaking in their careers and we'll be saying 'theres another golden generation of Brits coming through'. I agree with that but i'm discussing the here and now.

Here, only Froch makes the list and I'd agree given Khan's recent setbacks in the States and Haye not venturing out there. That you cant really argue with. Its a telling story though. Lets just hope some of the names you mentioned aren't bums like the current generation - Fraudley, Chisora, Fury and so on and so on.

None of those you've mentioned are established at all. They've not fought anyone of real calibre at professional and whilst some of them have done very well at amateur level, professional level is a different kettle of fish altogether.

Lets hope they do put some pride back in British boxing. Nothing better than seeing a good scrap between a Brit and an American and everyone getting patriotic about it. If there was a true Brit who could challenge at the very top over there against the array of talent, i'd admit it and back them but i'm a realist and the case of the matter is they are ahead of at the current time.

Another massive problem in the UK is that sports like boxing and Muay Thai and so on are rarely accepted as groups at universities for health and safety reasons whereas such activities are encouraged in America to become true Olympiads and then go on to get a career. That is something politicians need to address.

cleverly is not overrated atall.. do you even follow boxing? froch got offered to fight clev and turned it down to fight george groves, he knows clev would wipe the floor with him FACT!

Do I follow boxing? Yes. I've been Stateside twice to watch 2 fights and I boxed for 4 years when I was younger. Cleverly is overrated and just like the British Muslim community cry that Khan is the next coming of Sugar Ray Robinson and overhype him because he's one of their own, Welsh people do the same with Clev. Im not saying the boy ain't talented, he is, but he's overhyped massively and has not proven himself against any major opponent across the pond. Bellew, wow big deal. He is nothing special. Look further afield, there is more to the boxing world than Bellew FFS.

This is the problem with British boxing. People think its the be all and end all, it ain't. Kell Brook is another who needs to wake up and realise there are more fights out there than just the bums of Britain. The lad has tremendous talent but because he's having his fights handpicked for him he's seeing out a career and not realising his true raw potential. In a way its sad and depressing to see.

Bellew wasn't even his toughest frigging opponent, Karo Murat was and he is a much stronger fighter, hence his higher ranking than Bellew.

When Cleverly fights Hopkins, Chad Dawson or Adonis Stevenson and takes the belts and then moves up to a very weak cruiserweight division and clears up with a few wins Stateside then he'll get the respect he deserves. Until then, hes another Brit fighting at home and fighting mostly weak opponents. Murat and Bellew are the only decent names on the list.

Do I wish Cleverly well? Yes, but he's not WBC, Ring or IBF Champion and needs to put those belts to his name by beating the top opposition in the division.

Kovalev (P4P4 in LH) will be a step up in opponent for Clev and I think he'll do it but lets be real about this and lets just remember that until he fights across the pond then he won't be lauded for his exploits and rightly so, given that America is currently where all the money is and the big fights and so on, its the international stage for boxing now.

I think Cleverly can go over there and do it and do well in time but he ain't done it yet. Brits love nothing more than to overhype athletes.

Michael Johnson the next best thing in football.......where is he now? Amir Khan is going to be great, olympian with unreal speed....good boxer of course but not the best in the division. Build them up and then knock them down.

^^^^ shows how much you know about boxing thinking khan is one of the best in britain.. Are you for real???

he is one of the best in Britain, arguably the best offensive skillfull fighter in Britain, defensively he is not so great but without a doubt one of the best we have got, bit of a tit of a person love but his record is there and some good names on there.

Spot on with this. Khan's offence is probably the best in relative terms in the UK. His defence however is shocking and that's why he's lost fights against more balanced opposition who can take their time and exploit him. His stamina is also not up to scratch and he drains quick and doesn't box clever enough against the top opposition out there which is another problem of his.

Lets just hope some of the names on the British list further up do well and earn their shot and perform against some good fighters in the States giving us the old UK vs US fights we love.

British boxing is producing a lot of boxers of British/European class and the domestic pool is getting bigger and better making those belts harder to win and keep, but as for world class fighters we are miles off having any of real note. Personally feel that Clev isn't over rated but he needs harder fights and to fight in the US to prove his talent. Khan for me was rushed into big fights too soon and for this his defence has suffered, he's a decent fighter but hyped up because he's Asian imo. Not going to even give a thought on the Fury/Haye comedy. The one up and coming fighter of any note not mentioned I would say is Lee Selby as I think he's got the confidence to go to America and take them on.

Did someone just write out Cleverley would wipe the floor with Carl Froch,did I just read that? And furthermore went onto say he gave him a swerve to fight George Groves

Why the feck would Froch be scared of Clev? He'll fight absolutely anyone,in any country and even in their own backyard.He's consistently done it throughout his career.He probably thought Clev at the moment wasn't a big enough fight.It's Clev that needs to prove himself for these big fights as he's fought nobodies up until tonight.Clev can't punch either and prefers to wear you down,Calzaghe style,post hand injuries.

I like Cleverley,but think he's limited and he's lucky that the division is so weak.Bernhard Hopkins ffs